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Quote:They just slapped a raid label on it. The Winter lord event is not any harder than last year. In which 8 players were VERY able to complete it.Originally Posted by Tyger42
Did they "just slap a raid label" on it or did they actually make changes to it that make it more difficult? Don't think I've actually seen that answered yet, but I could be mistaken.
Oh, maybe I'm just hallucinating the subject line that he wrong that states "FORCED TEAMING MAKES ME SAD"..... I wouldn't be opposed to removing the minimum entry requirement, but you'd still have people complaining that it requires a team to successfully complete it. Hell, you get those same complaints in that "other" MMO, too.
The title and what's in the actual content of the op (and thread) is misleading.
I'd have no issue if it remained 8 to start.
MY OWN MAIN issue is that it's locked behind the atrociousTUT interface/system. Which is a terrible tool for multi team content. For various reasons I've stated before. -
Quote:Yep, which for the Winter Event could be 8.Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Slapping a 'raid' label on stuff that used to be team content is a change. It might be a change you're fine with, but it might also be the indication of a trend that others want to nib in the bud.
Amusingly, certain other mammoth MMOs that shall remain nameless are actually less restrictive, allowing you to enter "team only" content alone if you want. Sure, you'll probably get creamed if you don't vastly out-level the content, but you can. Personally, I don't see a reason to put a hard minimum on any content.
That said, the LFG tool probably needs a hard minimum as it stands right now. Otherwise it'd keep dumping you alone into team content, if there's not enough people in the queue. -
Quote:Again a completely irrelevant tangent and discussion.Originally Posted by Tyger42
And there is no forced teaming. The content in which teams are required is completely optional. But, all MMOs have large team content. CoH mostly lacked this for a long time. There was a lot of clamor for it to be added. Now it's being added, but none of it is required. So, they're STILL being extremely solo-friendly.
But..they're...not.... I don't get why adding some team-required content = "discouraging they way you've played the game for seven years". It's not discouraging anything.
Once again the original op:
Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I see from the Beta forums that this year's Winter Event will probably require a minimum of 12 players to access, only via the LFG tab.
I'm sick of being offered content which requires huge (to me) groups. My preferred playstyle is to duo with my SG-mate.
We'll do the Winter Event once for the badge but will probably view it as a chore rather than take pleasure in it.
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He's not complaining about teaming. He's complaining about the high minimum of the Winter Event, which it NEVER needed.
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Quote:General comment: As someone who has had BOTH types of khelds since the beginning I'm gong to say NO to anything that changes their animations or the general way they look.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I'm just not comfortable with a total rework of how the AT functions, since it's already pretty powerful and a lot of people are very fond of their Peacebringers how they are. I know the OP is only trying to make the forms relevant for end game play, but I really just don't see a reason for that to be necessary. You get plenty of mileage out of forms from levels 1-50 and on cheap builds/lack of build.
I see no reason for forms to be turned into something that they're not. I feel like the suggestion quoted in the last post is more a desire for an aesthetic change for Peacebringers, and there's a simple solution for HEAT's to be distinguishable: Give us teh Kheld sash!
I LOVE the way they look.
And NO I DO NOT need my PB's forms to be better at end game it's not necessary. It's not just IOs that help now in the endgame. There's this little thing called INCARNATE ABILITIES. Which apply to Dwarf and Nova. Also keep in mind next year we will be seeing new abilities/slots.
Also having perma lightform from 39-40 to 50 is not most of the game. The game is 50 levels, most of the game would be from 25.
40-50 are still relatively quick compared to the 30s, especially with the lack of content in the 30s.
EDIT: Just so I'm not accussed of being completely unhelpful, I'll suggest this:
Let the Incarnate abilities scale down to level 35 for the FORMS only. -
Quote:And I'd argue you all are in the minority vs the rest of the Incarnate trail running playerbase.Originally Posted by Vice_Virtuoso
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That was me leading that league (on Emerald Thunder). For the record, the majority of those who had a voiced opinion in that league agreed with me -- you and maybe one other person were the only ones happy with it.
Anything that gets people ACTUALLY EXCITED to be running Keyes is a good thing.
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Quote:agreed!Originally Posted by lemur lad
i for one, am happy to have trials delayed if it means changes to make them better. Dealing with a barely ready for primetime keyes and all the ******** and non desire to run it that came with that, was a chore. It doesn't serve their efforts to release trials that aren't fully balanced and something people can enjoy. Trials that are too long and tedious piss people off, and waiting a couple months to see it fixed is not good, because it sets up a ton of preconceived notions that people then have to fight in order to get the inevitable revamps to be looked at with something other than scorn by players.
Delay media blitz. Delay mother mayhem. Get them right. I'll be happy running keyes with people who never got a chance to see it and can enjoy it now. I'll get my badges, i'll get drops i can use on shiny new powers, and i'll have a great weekend. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Garielle
Oh, I used to be allergic to chocolate as well. In fact, when I was younger, I was pretty much allergic to EVERYTHING. Including eggs, chocolate, peanut butter, all forms of milk (including my own mother's milk..as an INFANT you pervs!), bees, cats, poison ivy (my reaction was far worse than most), ummm... I am sure there is more that I can't recall right off. The cabinet under my bathroom sink was always stocked with sample cases of liquid benadryl given to us by my pediatrician.
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Quote:I too don't see the relevance of bringing up other mmos. If I gave a rat's a%$ about what other mmos did in terms of teaming vs soloing, I'd be playing them and not COH.Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I don't know, and since I don't play any other MMO, I don't care or see why it's relevant.
I did play EvE Online for a while, and as far as I recall, there wasn;t anything preventing me from venturing into areas that were lethal by myself other than my own decisions. I quite enjoyed being a 'tourist' in areas of space that were branded high-risk etc, just to go see the cool things that were there (The monolith from 2001, awesome asteroid belts, forgotten wrecks etc). I did get ganked by NPC pirates and other players, but since I was warned that might happen, I had no cause for complaint.
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Quote:AKA useless tool is useless.Originally Posted by Jagged
The 3 or 4 minutes is a LIE!
The quick way is to go to Pocket D and join a league there. Only use the LFG stuff for Incarnate Trials if you have something else to do for the next 40 minutes thats not going to require you enter a closed instance. -
Fix it back to what it was originally and give those who want to get rid of it the option to have Null the Gull eliminate their OWN kb.
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All this team vs no team is an foolish tangent that has nothing to do with the main point.
Which is that minimum can reasonably be lowered to 8 on LFG the Holiday content without hurting anything, AND that they CAN keep the old way of starting the even without hurting anything. -
The game (even with the parts I complain about) is 10x better than it was a year ago.
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Quote:They've released a hell of a lot since the store opened. That's a good thing.Originally Posted by EU_Damz
In order heres what we've had each week.
- Barbarian Costume Pack, Rocket Board, Beam Rifle, Back to school backpack.
- Signature Story Arc, Volcanic Aura, Revival 50% off, Unslotter 50% off, xp booster.
- CoT Costume Bundle.
- Street Justice, xp booster 50% off, Costum slot 50% off, Revival.
- Signature Story Arc part 2, unslotter 25% off, respec 25% off, Firefighter helmet
- Halloween Costume bundle.
- 3 npc costume change powers.
- Undead Survival Kit.
- Autumn Path Aura, signature story arc part 3, Mako's Bite [plus two other IO sets].
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Quote:Which was more original point that some folks missed.Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
Even if we hadn't had today's release spoiled yesterday, this thread would still have been moot since it is impossible to release something more underwhelming than the undead survival kit.
That said, how is anyone complaining about this? New story arcs and a new costume piece? Isn't that exactly the kind of thing everyone tends to hold up as the best stuff they can release? What would you have had them put on sale instead? Are you expecting a new power set every single week?
Whew, sorry! Just slightly baffled that anyone is calling this a lame release. -
Good video, good release form Paragon Studios.
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Quote:Bahhh was hoping it was the grand daughter. Okay maybe next time.Originally Posted by Placta
Daughter (Alexis Cole-Duncan/Miss Liberty), not grandaughter (Jessica Megan Duncan/Ms. Liberty).
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Quote:Not just no, but HELL FREAKING NO to number 1. Worst suggestion ever.Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
To consoldidate all my ideas on Incarnates:
1. set all TF's using Incarnate powers to give a smaller reward - it is less risk.
2. Allow a setting in TF's and Trial for No Incarnate powers - just like the no temp powers setting and this gives the full reward.
3. Have each Incarnate Trial unlock one aspect only and then run this same trial to get a slot filled automatically for that aspect of whatever reward you need in order.
4. Have other Trials give a reward roll for aspects not of that type to get a chance to fill for another aspect.
5. Have normal level 50 content give threads just like it currently gives shards and remove shards from the game. Credit all held shards as threads one for one.
Now you have a fast route to fill each type running that Trial and a slower route - even solo running normal content or other level 50 Trials.
2-5 are good, but number 1 should NEVER be done.
Using the Incarnate system as advertised should not be an automatic retroactive nerf to anyone running current non-incarnate content. that would be seen as the biggest bait and switch in a loooong time.
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Quote:You can't seriously say that isn't better than what they offered last week.Originally Posted by Xanatos
IOs no-one's gonna buy, three missions, and an aura.
lol
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Quote:Originally Posted by Liquid
There is a very, very important aspect of these store-bought enhancements that is not mentioned here: their set bonuses do not shut off when you exemplar, unless you exemplar 3 levels below the minimum level of the enhancement. This means that purchased Mako's Bite, for example, functions like level 50 IOs at level 50, and level 30 IOs at level 30 with respect to set bonuses.
That's . . . a bit powerful. -
Quote:Form your own team of regular lvl 50s. Problem solved. You can say ahead of time this is a no-Incarnate ability team.Originally Posted by DJ_Shecky
And I can understand that, but the problems arise for those who don't want that power or want to feel useful without it.
If I am a Level 50 without any incarnate stuff on a team that has Maxed the Difficulty so that they can't one shot everything, I tend to be just as useless as if they were steamrolling through everything. Can't hit much, don't do much damage, don't debuff enough, etc...
What I am seeing is a gravitation toward the power gamer instead of the casual gamer.
Just remember, "When Everyone is Super, No one is."
Whether you find anyone willing to do that is another issue.
People need to realize that folks WANT to make their 50s more powerful. For some folks that was ALSO the entire point of IO'ing out. -
Quote:I'd argue its because they don't want to stand around with their thumbs up their behinds for an unknown amount of time, with no further way to enter any instances, and no way to know how many are in the queue and no way to know that ACTUAL REALISTIC start times of those event.Originally Posted by BrandX
I actually think it's that most people don't use it Sam. I've talked to people who want to join in on a trial but they never use the LFG to do it. Some it seems out of fear of PuGing, some because they know they can just go to certain zones to find one forming.
In short form they'd rather not waste their valuable playtime with a useless tool. -
Quote:Stopped right there. The problem in a nutshell is once again the limitations of the team up teleporter and LFG system.Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad
The problem with changing the team up teleporter to 8 is that the event will start every time with 8.
They need to FIX THAT and other issues before shoehorning more content into it.
Let's get a more functional pug multi team tool before trying to shoehorn in more pug multi team content. -
Quote:I lol'd cause its true.Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
Yeah, that was kind of a strange response to a standing complaint, wasn't it? "We're bored of having only the one mission progression for each origin from 1-5." "OK, hang on... voilà! Now you only have one for all origins from 1-10! You're welcome."
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Quote:You still run into the issue for half the team NOT WANTING to do Incarnate level content. I think people need to start forming their tfs and teams by specifically stating what they want or don't want.Originally Posted by Stormbird
I'd kind of like to see that as part of what I mentioned in the OP.
Run regular content? Incarnate powers are toned down. Still strong, yes, still worth the effort, yes, but toned down. Highest rewards are shards and merits.
If, say, half (or more) of the team have Incarnate slots unlocked, the "Incarnate level" option becomes available. Incarnate powers run at full blast, but the enemies are more (not hideously more, but more) resistant, or have a "level shift" of their own of a level, or their buffs/debuffs are stronger, and they can get up to threads dropping (or whatever's felt to be appropriate.)
Incarnate content, of course (Apex/Tin Mage and trials) of course are as they are now.
Don't want to make that ITF a cakewalk, then actively ADVERTISE that said tf will be without incarnate powers.
Ofcourse that involves folks forming their own tfs/teams. And folks who are already 50 wanting to do that. -
Quote:Because people have lives.Originally Posted by Dante
I would welcome that. I do miss the challenge of the old level 50 content.
And as for upping the difficulty, yes, you can do that but you'd be amazed how fast people go off wanting to run a TF when it's not a cakewalk at +0/x8.
If upping the difficulty gave a significant shift in rewards or even (perish the thought) dropped threads instead of shards, there might be some interest at running at that difficulty. As it is, the people I have encountered only want to race through it for the merits or kerbstomp as many white conning minions as possible for shard drops.
If someone has banked an hour or two to do a tf ahead of making dinner, or before starting more chores, they aren't going to join something that will take 3-4 hours. So yeah they are going to go for the cakewalk tf.
I swear some folks think people have infinite time to play the game.
I see it coming up in discussions about the iTrials also, when folks don't consider FORM time as part of the reason some trials aren't done.
It's getting irritating.