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So it's agreed: Folks are allowed to lead trials and play the game how they want?
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Quote:Pretty much this for me!If the archetype was a remix of existing power sets with tweaked gameplay: 800-1000 points
Examples: Assault/Control flipped dominator, Ranged Blast/Scrapper Melee secondary, Buff-Debuff/Assault defender/dominator hybrid
If the archetype introduces interesting new gameplay options but with mostly existing powers: ~1200 points
Examples: Buff/Melee buffing tanker, Control/Control super-controller, fury-driven defensive (instead of offensive) brute.
If the archetype introduced radically unique gameplay options: 1600+ points
Examples: disposable pet-based summoner (think things like photon seekers, tornados, soul extraction, up to the phantom army and gang war), power vampire (ability to remove powers from target and grant them to self), astral projector (ability to confuse, then take over control of NPC targets like a mastermind). -
Quote:Yeah not seeing an issue here. That seems pretty easy going to me.So do I with BAF, Lambda, Keyes, or TPN.
I think there is, at most, a core of 5-10 consistent trial leaders on Triumph right now:
@Snow Globe (myself)
@Kay Parfait
@Magenta Bolt
@Critical Ebon
@Sayaki
Not as frequently heard leading open trials on Triumph:
@Emerald Fusion (or anyone from the Fusion Force as they usually form as a group, but I haven't heard much from them lately on Triumph's main badge channel)
@Summoner Delmain
There you have it. The trial leaders of Triumph who frequently announce and lead open trials. As to who shows up for the trials, that depends on if it is an open or closed league. I know that I personally don't turn anyone down for BAF, Lambda, Keyes, or TPN. The opposite in fact. There are people that say "Keyes is too difficult for me because I'm on a new 50 that doesn't have a level shift." My response has always been "Keyes is easy, let me show you."
Apparently I have to repeat my policy (yet again):- BAF: Bring whatever character you want, as long as it is at least level 50.
- Lambda: Bring whatever character you want, as long as it is at least level 50.
- Keyes: Bring whatever character you want, as long as it is at least level 50.
- UG: Bring whatever character you want, as long as it is at least level 50+3.
- TPN: Bring whatever character you want, as long as it is at least level 50.
- MoM: Bring whatever character you want, as long as it is at least level 50+3.
- DD: Bring whatever character you want, as long as it is at least level 50+3.
And my typical response is "whatever you want" to BAF, Lambda, Keyes, or TPN. For the others, it is "Something that is +3, please." -
Quote:soooo, what you're saying is that you're NOT a masochist?It is because of the server culture in general. Snow is a part of my global network that started on Tri. I no longer play there (during the day it is pretty dead), but a large number of my friends still do.
Snow has no trouble because when he states what he is forming, the reply is "What do you need?" or "What should I bring."
Arcanaville is right, it would just never fly there. Shoot I play on Virtue and it barely makes it through there. When people request AT and powerset info before invite, I just ignore them.
Personally, I would not even attempt UG, MoM, or DD with a toon that is not +2 or +3 shifted. Because to me being face down that much is just not that fun.
EDIT: As an aside glad to see we're getting a fuller picture of why folks in this thread think the way they do. I agree that elitism in this case is a poor term that's ignoring people's individual experiences on their specific servers does the term a huge disservice.
People need to realize not every server has the same pool of trial runners as each other. -
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Quote:That's fine, just don't call it teenage mutant ninja turtles if they aren't mutants, turtles, or ninjas.This is the part that gets me. If your kid, and anyone else for that matter, actually enjoys Bay's product, then why complain? I'm willing to see if what he produces is actually a good movie or not before saying over-the-top metaphors of "Way to take a time machine, find me as a childhood, and ruin every good memory I had of this source material somehow."
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Quote:Eccept that he DOES help fellow players. People in this thread keep selectively missing that fact, which he's stated multiple times.A little story. I was mooching in Pocket D on Defiant and asked if any trials were forming. oh yes a MoDD run, to which I replied, sorry, only +1 here so can't help, oh join anyway we only need a few and your buffs will be welcome (I was on my Sonic Def). So I joined and we completed it, and it put me on the road and gave me actual impetus to get my character to +3 so I could do the tougher stuff.
Is it such a bad thing to actually help fellow players even though they may only be +1 or +2, in the end you will end up with a larger pool of precious +3s. Not every +3 is equal either, I was in a similar discussion with someone in a global channel who stated that anything below +3 was useless, it turned out that person still only used SOs, which to my mind made his assertion pointless as he was deliberately hampering his characters by not slotting IOs.
((and in response to the WoW analogy, yes it is pretty much the same thing, all they care about over there is Gearscore, equating your ability with a number, which is exactly what oinly requiring +3s does))
He runs ALL the trials. If folks want to level up why not jump on the lambda, baf that he also runs? Why is there a requirement that you try to level up via content that could be potentially +5-+7 to you. That just makes NO SENSE.
The devs INTEND for folks to run the lower trials to get the level shifts for the harder trials. I'm not seeing anything here unique to how the rest of the game works.
I seriously don't think the devs intend for players with no level shifts to bother with the higher level trials until they "level up."
And actually what the devs intend is irrelevant, when Snow himself has said now repeatedly that he is willing to help folks get their level shifts on the lower trials. At this point it does not seem that it's Snow that's being selfish.
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Quote:I think I'll stick with Arcanaville's evidence over yours. her track record seems to be better by large margin.And, yet. SG finds runs with his requirements that are a clear step down the road toward it... I'd say the evidence counters what you say here quite well.
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Quote:Form your own trials or stop complaining.Well, thanks for doing your part to bring the WOW mentality to this game!
Why should Snow be forced to hand hold anyone?
By the way he does it willingly. I see that many folks missed the part where he helps others do the lower trials to get their level shifts.
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The arc wasn't the best story line this game has offered. There were a lot of silly moments which weren't fully explained, which made our heroes and the Freedom Phalanx do things that only a rookie hero would do.
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Quote:Although I don't think scrappers need anything, I would not object to any and all buffs, fluff or otherwise.I don't want it to trigger any less often than it does now. Sorry if I was not clear there. I am just saying rather than buffing the crit chance (except for the ATIO proc), buff the damage the crit does. x3 damage crit would make it different from the stalker crit.
Just thought I'd state that.
EDIT: (Then again who would argue against any type of buff if they got eventually anyway?)
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Quote:AKA: Keep it simple stupid.I will mostly agree with Brutes, but not with Stalkers. Fury is not ignorable in my opinion, but it's easy to build, especially solo. I do not ignore my Assassin's Focus. I spend time paying attention to where it's at to gauge when best to AS. I don't have to do that, but I need to if I want optimum performance from AS, which I do want. I like that Scrappers are "stuck", just like a lot of people prefer powersets that are "toggle and go". Don't get me wrong, I like my Brutes and Stalkers, but how the Scrappers play is my favorite experience, because they just "are".
I like that we have at least ONE AT that sticks to that motto and doesn't have fancy gimmicks.
I VEHEMENTLY disagree that EVERY AT needs a gimmick to make them feel like a special snowflake. (notice I said ATs not players--players can request feeling like a special snowflake all they want. LOL)
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Quote:Give scrappers a new costume change emote. Done and over with.I can see why several of us are so dedicated to Scrappers having something that is uniquely theirs, what I can't see is why you are so dedicated against it.
Like it or not, this has become such an issue in so many places the devs will have taken notice. Assuming they hadn't already. -
Quote:Yeah unless it's changed before going live, on beta you could not do jack shite (in terms of getting incarnate xp) solo in DA unless you had the Alpha unlocked./smacks forehead
Completely forgot that astrals could serve this purpose.
(Or really, any purpose. I think the most I've done is break them into threads. Ok, maybe I unlocked a couple chest emblems.)
Captain Nolan did not show up as a contact until Alpha was unlocked. Heather wouldn't talk to me as a contact just by walking up to her (didn't try Ephram). -
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Quote:As long as we can agree that he has the ability to run trials he leads the way he wants there really is no further point for discussion.I don't recall anyone saying Snow Globe can't play how he wants. My point is that there's a wide gulf between a league of twelve unshifted characters and a league of zero unshifted characters, the only two extremes that Snow Globe has ever experienced. When pressed he went off about how anyone at anything less than +3 is leeching whether the league wins or not. Sure, dude.
The other thing I'd note is that Snow Globe himself goes on and on about all these failed trials he's run. Oddly enough, I don't see many failed trials myself. Perhaps we can look at the common element of these failures and deduce a pattern?
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Quote:Plus the fact that you've mentioned you are more than willing to help others "level up" via the lower trials, which you run constantly. I once paid a visit to Triumph and know you are not making that up.
I'm not interfering with other player's play. However I am limiting how much of their demands on my time affects me.
If you think that I'm elitist because I don't want other people wasting my time by bringing characters that are ineffective (like a level 50 scrapper with Single Origins) to a DD trial, then have at it. Multiply that by 5-6 players on a 16 player max league and you'll understand where I'm coming from. I don't want to deal with that on a harder trial, and I shouldn't have to.
Because I stipulate what I'm looking for in a character that joins a trial that I lead, all of a sudden I'm being vilified and I don't like it one bit.
I'm not sure what's so difficult to grasp about not wanting your playtime wasted. SOME poeople act like we are getting paid to lead trials and herd 15 or more other players.
Let me put it in a simpler way: When I lead the ******* trials I run them my ******* way. If you think the way I'm running them is wrong, quit and form you ******* own.
Easy to get now?
EDIT: Sorry to get heated but this telling others how to play the game (when i don't pay their sub) has ALWAYS been a pet peeve of mine in this game community. It's just rearing is ugly head AGAIN for the 1000th time in this thread.
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Blood, choose to run trials you want the way you want when you lead them.
Snow is spot on in this instance.
I'm sick to death of the nonsense I see regularly of people who don't step up to lead trying to tell other leaders how to do so.
If you could do it better, why didn't you just form the ******* thing yourself?
I usually get the response, "I don't like herding cats" or "standing around yelling trial lfm" all night wasting my play time.
Soooooo, you'd rather waste someone ELSE's playtime.
I call that idiotic selfishism.
As someone else mentioned, for the harder trials run them the way YOU want when YOU lead them. When I lead them, I'll run them my way.
It's not elitism to not want your playtime wasted. Full stop. PERIOD. -