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And what pray tell do you expect the pvers to do about it?

Quit? When the pvpers won't? That makes NO LOGICAL SENSE WHATSOEVER. As I said before MANY a pver also complained after testing the proposed I13 changes that they sucked. Yet (I feel like a ******* broken record) they too were ignored. THAT somehow keeps getting glossed over by many (notice I didn't say all) pvpers.

The pvers taunting are idiots. However the ones who say NOTHING about because they don't care about pvp most definitely do not need or deserve the stupidity often pointed their way.

Let me put it another way, bases haven't had anything done with them for a long time. Yet you don't see base lovers attacking pvers for "not saying anything". The logic that it's okay to be mad at someone who had NO CONTROL over an aspect of the game and don't comment on it cause they aren't interested is silly to me.

It's okay to not care about a certain aspect of the game. If everyone ******* about parts of the game they don't use, have no interest in, just to *****, there'd be threads as long as 100+ pages on every page and a lot of folks with indigestion. It also wouldn't make sense since the only ones who have control over ANYTHING in this game are the devs. Period.

EDIT: To turn your analogy right back at you, if I saw you getting bullied and having your candy taken away, I'd go to a teacher. Except in this case the teacher and the bully taking your candy are on and the same. The teacher would just smile and say "it builds character, trust me I know what I'm doing". soooooo, there isn't much that either of us could do besides walk off the playground. However, I LIKE the playground despite the bullying.

To bring back to game terms, it'd be like pvers who don't like pvp, don't care about pvp, quitting over something they have no care about. you quitting makes perfect sense. A pver over something they never cared about and don't like? LOLWUT?

I would have quit. No need to stay on and attack other players for something they had no control over.

Being malicious DOES NOT get anyone on your side. Especially not other players in the playerbase.

If find this interesting since in many previous debates about pvp, pvers were told to shut up because they don't pvp. This was especially true when the first debates about power proliferation was going on and the discussion about Psionic Blasters started.

Why all of a sudden now do pvpers care what pvers think?

If you want folks to speak up for you perhaps you shouldn't do everything in your power to alienate them. Just saying.

EDIT: Also during the I13 testing MANY folks (/em raises hand) DID speak up about how craptacular I13 was, and how it made the pvp and pve games further divergent. We were also soundly ignored by the devs. They were hellbent on trying out this new pvp system to bring in new pvpers. There was nothing ANYONE could do to change that.

EDIT2: Also keep in mind some people LIKED (and still do) the I13 system, and said so. THAT feedback is also taken into account whether those of us who don't like I13, like it or not.

As has been pointed out the dialogue often does NOT indicate that at all.

Oftens they say stuff like they are going to fight you.

Also unless I'm mistaken at certain points the mob ran just by Leo's character walking close to him.

This surely can't be WAI. Sorry.

good job again Leo

EDIT: Also this:

"Note: even if it is scripted... why? I can see a good reason for one in the group to run away if they were facing a big group or a player several levels above him... but 4 vs. 1, and two levels above me? Does not sound like a very smart script. It would also make more sense if the runner was of a different gang (his Hellion buddies won't think very high of him now), or if he ran into a door to get help. The "Hellion Girlfriend" script in The Hollows is a lot better."

Even if it is WAI it's bloody stupid.

As I said before I honestly don't think there is anything they could do to draw more pvpers. Doesn't mean they shouldn't try.

Reverting to I12 is a good idea, but it wouldn't get any additional people to pvp.

Pvp isn't relevant to the future of this product. The game will do just fine no matter what they do with pvp, since most don't care about pvp.

So might as well just eat crow and revert back to I12.

Seeing as how those mertis you get for not pvping, no it's really not part of the pvp package.

Unless there is some new mysterious pvp mission that no one knows about in regards to the merit system.

And I'm not the one posting multiple threads that get locked. Amirite? Talk about not thinking before you post.

I believe you are right.

True! Changing builds is an option.

yeah this is the part folks keep glosing over. Even if you plan your build along the way for them, even if you respec into them, and even if you use the third build, the second you exemp all that building doesn't matter.

Possible for future ones. But of the first few we've seen, no. (Unless what is in alpha and was sneak peeked on test has changed that drastically)

Seeing as how there is only alpha in I19 and the rest are supposed to be "spread over issues" that would be a looooong wait if one of the Incarnate slots grants traditional slots.

I think this is what blaster nukes were in part meant to represent.

I don't have an issue with seeing stuff like what you mentioned in fighting every once in a while.

Not. Every. Friggin. Fight.

What you don't mention is that the animations for those summons in the FF series are INCREDIBLY frustratingly long. In many of those games I felt that i was standing around doing nothing while a movie played. if I wanted to watch a movie I'd go watch one.

it's one of my issues with Dual Pistols. You spend a major part of the time (especially with the later powers) dancing around doing flashy stuff.

I'd rather just kill and move on. it's one of the sets I hope gets alternate animatins.

/sign.

I can for comedy effect.

Pretty much agree.

Also for more information you didn't need to respec, once you opened the Alpha slot a THIRD build was opened. So you could just keep your two other builds and rebuild using the third one.

pretty much this. folks need to realize that the dev side of the NCSOFT equation may not be able to say anything at all.

i don't blame them for the silence. My ire is squarely targetted at the marketing side.

Well yeah, it's not supposed to be quick.

Seeing as how some of them ARE 600 Mill already . . .

You're assuming folks want purples. They may just want the INF to get OTHER stuff from the market.

Folks complaining about purple prices have even LESS sympathy from me, seeing as how there is ANOTHER option to get them now.

Also THIS.

Bottom line: better to nip the idea that Incarnates is somehow more traditional slots , powers, and levels, cause it's not. I'd rather that be clear than have folks be disappointed and ***** at the devs as they usually do when they get misinformation.

This is all subject to change if the devs decided to completely revamp the ALPHA slot.

The last time the ALPHA slot was in Closed BETA, only ONE thing could be slotted into it from a list of craftable buffs.

So if you slotted end redux in it it will globally affect all powers, but then you couldn't slot the global recharge. Also for resistance it only affected powers that GAVE resistance, such as the sheild.

that's not quite the same as the "more slots" that folks had in mind. With all that said this may changed when the re-intro the ALPHA SLOT (Which I think is the only slot coming in I19).

With that said I don't agree or disagree with them giving us more regular slots.

I wouldn't assume we are getting powers the traditional way with the Incarnate System. And what was originally in closed beta did not give us more slots.

incarnate slots doesn't equal traditional slots.

Bwuhhhh?

Psionic assuault has very good attacks. Psi Scream, and the two single targets are pretty damn good.