Another_Fan

Don't be a complete dork, its been done, done and done again. Where do you think the whole equilibrium price as the maximum price you can sell profitably at comes from ?

Just because you had an idea fell in love with it, and didn't bother to look for anything that might hurt your wonderful idea, doesn't mean that others are going to bust their rears because you are intellectually lazy.

If you are going to ask me to defend positions you might as well get what my positions are right. Oh hell, who am I kidding, its pretty damn obvious you don't give fecal matter about getting any thing correct. That was made perfectly plain when you started flying off the handle because people told you, you wouldn't know what experimental technique was if it walked up and hit you on the head with a frying pan.

But just to make this plain let look at your argument that "flippers do nothing but stabilize prices"

What are the premises involved here ?

1. People wouldn't list things if there were no bids and they couldn't get an instant sale the flipper provides the instant sale ?

Rebuttal: Just how many salvages had thousands for sale and no bids before people started deleting them ?

2. The flipper raises the bottom by little and lowers the top by more.

Rebuttal: Assumes a uniform distribution of listing prices, something which is definitely not the case in this game. Assumes no modes in the prices which people list for definitely not the case

3. The flipper stabilizes the price by maintaining constant price points.

Rebuttal: Yes this is because the flipper is a mindless robot incapable of adjusting to take advantage of circumstances and their only goal is to stabilize prices not make profit.

You mean like you just did throughout this entire thread ? A thread which is nothing but a bunch of people saying we like a bad experiment because it makes us feel right.

I would love to see your list of the effects that flipping doesn't have. I can put it in the gallery of twisted arguments that I have seen people use here because they just can't accept that their actions have consequences.

Lets see there was the before mentioned raising the prices wasn't possible. Then there was you couldn't do it and make a profit. Then there was you couldn't maintain above the equilibrium and make a profit. There were even challenges for that one, of course the equilibrium price was defined as the highest price you could charge and make a profit

Get over it you are pulling crap because you can, it has an effect on other people in the game and its just part of the game.

You list a level 12 taunt TO for 100K redside

I buy it for 1 million blueside

My 1 million blue has become 900k Red.

My belief is sooner or later someone will present the sun rising in the east as proof that flipping doesn't affect the game.

C) Examples that run afoul of any of the above are likely to be dismissed. I haven't looked at spirit thorns today, but Alchemical Silver looks to have been driven into the stratosphere, and ceramic armor plates are 100% being manipulated either that or everyone just decided to pay the same amount that is 40 times the old price, and a few people decided to pay 400 times the old price.

D) If you are talking about these things and Nethergoat isn't insulting you, you aren't saying anything interesting and are likely wrong.

Its a religious issue, the particular religion being a strange variant of Mammonism. You might as well argue with people that plan their investments with candle stick charts or believe the Elliot Wave governs market movements.

That's the guide to making Gamma Ray Spectrometers with commonly found radionuclides

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CG594xEnOI

Seems spot on.

The forum breaks down into,

1 Posts for the purpose of Conspicuously consuming

2 Posts chiding people for not being sufficiently industrious in a video game or for not enjoying this part of the game.

3 Posts that are offers to buy or sell

4 Guides to making inf, that read like guides to making atomic weapons that fail to mention what the fissile materials are, or the need to maintain critical mass

5. Guides to making inf, that read like guides to making atomic weapons based on waiting for proton decay.

6. Genuinely informative guides. << everything else

Edit: I forgot 7, the how dare you suggest changes to the system that might make it into something I am not good at posts.

But that thread doesn't have all the great speculation posing as fact in it.

It doesn't matter how much inf/minute you make. Its how much inf/item.

Lets say a farmer runs a map, he gets 20 drops and 5 million inf. This gives you 250k inf/item entering the economy.

Now a team runs the same map, they get same 20 drops split 8 ways, and 12.5 million inf split 8 ways. This gives you 625k inf/item entering the economy.

The individuals didn't get more inf, but the team put considerably more inf into the economy for every item they put in. You wind up with people that have inf and want items

Usually when someone starts with a phrase like that, you expect some disagreement to follow.


You do know there are people, that do the ITF in as little as 15 to 16 minutes ? Just as a point of comparison.

Of all the ways you can run content soloing produces the smallest amount of inf/item. So unless the farmer is destroying their drops and just keeping the inf, they are driving prices to a lower point than a team of 8 doing the same things would.


Large teams have a per kill multiplier. A team of 8 gets a multiplier of 2.5 so that team would need to kill at less than 40% of the rate of the solo farmer. More importantly drops depend only on kills. A killed enemy does not drop 2.5 times as much stuff for a team of 8. So no matter how fast or slow the large team goes its always producing more inf/item.




In general farmers get most of their inf from selling items. From the thread you referenced

No emphasis added. . TopDoc also did a thread breaking down farming earnings awhile back. He showed the vast majority of his earnings were from item sales on the market.

Oh I am sorry, I must have misunderstood.

When you said this I thought you were trying to say that farmers in general were driving prices up, and ripping people off.

I am still having trouble trying to understand what your point is though.

If you aren't comparing solo farming to solo farming or just soloing in general, to teaming,what are you comparing, and are you trying to say that level 50s are bad for the game ?

No large teams causes the greatest amount of inflation. If you feel inflation is bad for the game then you come to that conclusion. I think inflation is not only fine its positively beneficial.

LOL that has to be the most twisted stretch ever.

And a level 1 farming generates incredibly less inf than 1 level 50 farming, but still generates more goods / inf than a team of 8 level 1s

That's an old one, its right up there with forumites pushing prejudices as fact.

Solo Farming = Lowest amount of inf/kill + Constant Drops/kill

Farming for drops is deflationary. If you are going to blame anyone for inflation, blame the people that play on large teams. They produce the most inf/kill and the least drops/person.

There are a fair number of brute players that are upset about their nerf, or were you expecting people to get upset over getting a buff ?

Last I looked a boss had 2500 hp and there was no way any blaster could two shot one

When you say entire spawns did you mean particular very easy spawns on certain very easy difficulty settings and just forget to mention those parts ?

At the very least failures should factor into time spent, instead of using time to successful complete, use total time spent to achieve success.

I.E. 5 teams

2, Succeed in 25 minutes.
3, Fail in 1 hour all spent in mission .

Total team time 230 minutes, average time 46 minutes

There would also need to be a setup time in there as a factor as well.

If there isn't going to be an idea of inherent difficulty used to set rewards but a throttling of reward flow to whatever rate is desired, the content should be balanced so its not outrageously undesirable.

Nahh he was just running off on his own.