AlienOne
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Hmmm.
I say "seriously" a lot when I get pissed.
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Quote:WHY U NOT NO KNOW HOW TU REED?Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Excuse me. You called Hopeling out for a bad comparison.
Then you compare a power with 16 seconds of recharge to one that recharges in minutes.
I'm done with this. I won't waste the effort on a cheat.
Seriously... I wasn't making any comparison between the two.
I was merely retorting to his comment that the LotG will "take off much less than a second" from powers.
Wait, we're calling names now? Let me think of a good one here... Jerk!
No, that one's too old-fashioned... Ah, I give up. Name-calling is juvenile, and since you've gone there instead of actually contributing any meaningful dialogue anymore, I think we are done here.
"Alien"
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I may be missing something here, but... Is there some sort of "understood" rule that certain people on these boards are "above" being called out? That they aren't "human beings" like the rest of us?
Wait... Did you believe YOU fit into that category too?
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Quote:Seriously? The "numbers guy" isn't fully realizing the numbers comparison here?Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Bull. You threw the first punch here. If you're not prepared for that kind of reaction, don't start it.
As explained, one second out of five is important. I have nothing more to say.
See post above.
Now remember how much you know about attack chains.
Then slowly realize just how little difference that 0.71 seconds will make in my attack chain--creating the thought within Alien's brain that "Hey! That's not 'way better' at all for me..."
See?
There, there... I'll be ok.
"Alien"
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I wasn't prepared because I didn't expect it from the likes of you.
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Quote:That's a horrible comparison.Originally Posted by Hopeling
Frankly, one second out of five is indeed a pretty large difference, especially when that's by simply swapping one set for the other, not spending additional slots or something. Your character as a whole may not be way better using the set, but the set's contribution to your character as a whole is indeed what I would call "way better". A LotG 7.5 will take off much less than a second from most powers, yet most people would probably agree that it's "way better" than a level 20 generic defense IO.
Both of these sets have set bonuses. We're not comparing a global recharge IO to a level 20 generic defense IO here. Of course that's better....
If you must know the numbers, it's actually one second out of 16. The base recharge for that power is 16 seconds. My build takes that down to 5.32.
Slotting Kheldian's Grace would take it down 0.90 seconds.
That, at least to me, is not "way better."
Now... With Incarnates (Agility) enabled on the build, the difference is:
4.71 seconds recharge with Posi's Blast
About 4.0 seconds with Kheld's Grace.
By the way, taking off one of my LotG +Recharge IOs adds 2 seconds to the recharge time of my Hasten.
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Quote:I wasn't.Originally Posted by Microcosm
Dechs, dude, relax. I don't think he was attacking you.
I am now.
**** him.
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Quote:I did. And I posted them. And you seem to have not read them.Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Now, Alien, you're entitled to your opinion and all that good stuff, but next time you go spouting stuff like you're someone who contributes to the site with guides, check your *** **** facts.
I'll ignore the fact that you just implied with that comment that I'm someone that hasn't contributed to this community for years (including writing a guide) or that I wouldn't check the numbers in Mid's (the facts) to see how much those numbers would be affecting my powers.
Actually, no, I won't. That was completely uncalled for, and actually far below a maturity level that I would expect from someone like you. There are a ton more things I'd like to say here, but posting them on a forum is both against the rules and kind of pointless when I can't say it to your face in person.
First off, I checked what it would be like to max out my recharge on Dark Detonation (put it in the red as opposed to how it would be with Posi's Blast--you know, with ED in place? Mid's takes ED into consideration, right? That's why it says stuff like ED values and "Pre-ED values" beside it.....right?).
How much did it net me?
That's right... One second, as posted in an earlier post (which you obviously ignored--since you believe I don't "check my facts"). Dark Detonation went from 5.22 seconds to 4.32 seconds.
Wait....
That's less than a second.
That's WAY better.
I withdraw every opinion I've ever had on these boards.
"Alien"
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As for acc, my acc for the power I have it slotted in is sitting at 197% WITHOUT TAKING SUNLESS MIRE INTO CONSIDERATION. What does this mean?
You're a "numbers person"...it must mean I need that "way better" accuracy, right?
And you're right... losing a 10-point average higher damage hit (from losing the chance for proc) is most DEFINITELY way better.
I'll be sure to take an extra 1.5% S/L resistance over that ANY day... What was I THINKING, Oh Wise One?!?!? -
Quote:You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I'm just bothered by the fact that the person stating it is someone who has written a guide and has huge influence on the Kheldian community in regards to builds made...Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Posi blast is a bad set. It's that simple. I hate using it, there's just not an alternative. Not until now.
Way better is what I'm sticking with. That second matters to me because it shores up the nova chain.
For others of us who have made a trillion builds as well, I've seen the usefullness of the Posi set, and can't say it's bad in any shape, form, or fashion. Period.
Well, maybe it's bad because it has a horrible color combination on the enhancements themselves...
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Quote:Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
It's also attuned. More recharge that stays as I exemplar is never bad.I never said the set is "bad." I'm merely pointing out that projecting that it's "way better" than a comparable set (un-superiorized) might be a slight bit of a stretch.Quote:Originally Posted by AlienOne
Now, if...you fully plan on utilizing the power you put the set in frequent "exemping," then yeah, it's awesome.
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That's funny.... I never used the ranged IO in Posi's Blast... I always 5-slotted it without it--and without it, the damage values were already in the red (not to mention the "chance for" enhancement). Now, sure, the recharge values are better, but if I'm putting the set in Dark Detonation (which is the only viable spot to put it in my build without screwing up other sets that I don't want to lose), I'm gaining...what? One second? Really? That's the "head and shoulders" you're talking about? Have you completely forgotten about ED? I won't even mention ACC, because if you have any sort of well-built WS, you're going to have ACC built-in to it globally--not to mention you have Sunless Mire at your disposal to make every attack nearly 100% guaranteed to hit.
So, what's this "head and shoulders above" you speak of? If it's not the set bonuses, and the enhancement values aren't gaining me a hell of a lot by replacing Posi's Blast.... What? It looks better visually? 1.5% S/L resistance was that big of a deal to you? I'm still finding it very hard to justify saying the set is "way" better than Posi's blast, considering the set values aren't that much better, and the enhancement values don't gain me a whole hell of a lot.
Also, since I don't 5-slot Inky Aspect anymore with Absolute Amazements, I actually would gain the 10% recharge bonus with the superior set--thus, the comment "For me to say it's 'WAY' better, I'm going to need to make the whole set 'superior' first."
Now, the unique? Definitely awesome, and I would recommend any Kheld get it.
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Quote:Amen. This is open to everyone... It's sort of a quasi-show-off-your-costume-as-well-as-your-set-bonuses-and-where-you-like-to-hang-out-and-tell-us-a-little-about-yourself sort of deal...Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Nobody ever said if you didn't deck out your Warshade you couldn't still be effective. We all know that the MFing Warshade shines on any budget. We're just proud of how decked out our favorite characters are.
Not really a contest.
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Quote:Well... Depends on what you're building for. The recharge bonus is only like 2% higher (unless you spend a crapton of money to "hopefully" get the catalyst FIVE TIMES), the acc is lower, and you don't get the nice recovery bonus... So, although I will say the unique enhancement from the set is GREAT, and as a whole it may be marginally better than the Posi set, I wouldn't say it's WAY better...Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I just picked up a full copy of this set, and I"m looking to grab a second. It's way better than posi's blast.
Now, if you're making it a "superior" set, and you fully plan on utilizing the power you put the set in frequent "exemping," then yeah, it's awesome. But, in upper-level play, it's not a vast difference from Posi--in fact, if you're making a build that requires extra recovery due to many toggles running, it may actually be worse (as a set).
Now, I realize you're speaking from the perspective of a tri-former, so you've got a completely different viewpoint on it (and you're probably mainly referring to the unique form enhancement--which is AWESOME, btw), but...still.
For me to say it's "WAY" better, I'm going to need to make the whole set "superior" first.
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Actually, now that I look at it a little closer, I think I may be able to work it into one of my builds without losing too much of the bonuses I've already build into it....
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Quote:Yeah, I was really excited to have an enhancement set named after Khelds, then I checked it out on beta, and balked.Originally Posted by Microcosm
I see the crummy special IO from the kheld set made it to live... Think it's possible to get changed now?
LoL!Quote:Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Dude, we don't even have it bad.
Look at the Mastermind set.
Then look at how many /Recharge bits are in it.
Then remember that no mastermind pets benefit from all that recharge.
Then remember that mastermind pets don't even benefit from the set bonuses.
See? We don't have it that bad.
That, in a nutshell, is proof that whoever came up with them had no clue what they were making them FOR.
Just ridiculous.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what issues you've had with Eclipse before, but I've always had so much acc built into my build that not putting an acc in Eclipse has never made a difference at all, and that's with using Eclipse against a mob before hitting Sunless Mire... Maybe we've had completely different experiences there, but I haven't put acc in my Eclipse since using regular IOs in my build before switching to sets...
I've found that no matter how minor the difference, I'd much rather use the Ebon eye ST chain than the Essence Drain ST chain, because the heal is extremely minor, and missing Dark Detonation is so huge to me (especially when fighting hordes of enemies--have you played against the 100-200 Crey in the final mission of the Spring Fling Red Widow tip missions? AWESOME!!)... Yeah, it may not look "awesome" in a ST chain, but against a ton of enemies, it's WORLDS better than Essence Drain. Also, have you checked out the DPS that Boxing has on that build? It's actually higher than most other powers taken there, so I've actually tried working it in to my attack chain whenever enemy numbers diminish.
Eclipse being down for half a second hasn't proved to be a big deal, but me being OCD may cause me to try and fix that somehow, although the only way I see how to do it is lose 1.25% Energy/NE defense and switch Ebon Eye to 5 slotted Decimation and move the extra slot over to Dark Detonation or Dark Extraction... Actually, I may experiment with that a bit, because Decimation takes up my max endurance even higher, which would improve my end recovery/usage ratio even more...
"Alien"
*EDIT*
I think this slight modification will be what I go with:
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Ok, after further Mid’s experimenting & build testing, finally succumbing to trying THB’s suggestion to use a bi-form build for set mules, and acquiring a Gladiator’s Armor +Def, I finally came up with a build that I’m happy with.
Two of the main things that I was trying to concentrate on with this build was maintaining a 2-point endurance recovery to usage ratio and including Dark Detonation in the build.
The main reasons for that was that with all my previous builds, I was having major endurance drainage problems (especially against harder enemy groups like Malta, Carnival of Shadows, and Arachnos), and I was going for the single-target damage chain that includes Shadow Blast, Essence Drain, and Gravity Well.
However, I just did NOT like the tradeout of Dark Detonation for Essence Drain, no matter how much I tried working around it (I guess I’m too addicted to AoE damage from my Chaos™ build).
So, I re-worked the build to something that had a really good endurance recovery/usage ratio, traded out Essence Drain for Dark Detonation, and used Black Dwarf for set mules so I could have a few more slots to work with.
Chaos™ Test Build 5
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FYI, I have "Botched Ritual" running on my toon right now (due to the Spring Fling missions), so the numbers displayed aren't exactly correct in that last picture... -
I see the makings of a troll...
All he needs to do now is suggest that Peacebringers should be set up like a blaster or a scrapper, and he'll have made the transition from "maybe a troll" to "full-fledged troll"...
"Alien"
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Wait, he did already... I rest my case. :P -
Thanks a lot!
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Quote:Right on.Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Holy hell a lot of this.
I have a PB that, while he's still a kheldian, it goes in a different direction than the lore. He's a light based alien, right? So I figure he can merge with a fiber-optic based computer system.
I play Dark Armor as sand, I play Spines as a whole bunch of little knives, and I play a Demon/Thermal as if the Demons do all the work. Nothing says you can't play a PB however the hell you want.
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Quote:I'm actually referring to 2 two three (or possibly more--I haven't played through it in a little while) instances within the Maria Jenkins arc. Diabolique, Infernal, and Black Swan are all Praetorian Earth AVs.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Well when it comes to things like soloing AV's, I'd say the challenge itself is enough of a challenge without putting yourself through the unnecessary stress of navigating an annoying map. The Praetorian AV's are great for these types of feats because they generally spawn on large, outdoor maps. I think at the point you're getting at, it's a matter of multiple hurdles which I just don't feel the need to subject myself to. The large outdoor Praetorian maps in the Maria Jenkins arc for instance don't have ambushes, but you can set it to x8 to provide large spawns in relatively close proximity.
Here's a link to one of the missions I'm referring to. I could find others, but I'm about to head out for a meeting with my thesis advisor.
"Alien"
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I noticed they have Resistance as enemies and Ms. Liberty as an ally in the mission, so it appears they may have completely changed it from what it used to be. Ah, I long for the days when you could make builds for many challenges in the game, not just a build tailor-made for one specific challenge in a MA mission. >.< -
Quote:I'm aware of the x8 function. You don't seem to be taking all maps and all AVs into consideration. Let's say Infernal for instance. Or...Diabolique... Trying to navigate the CoT caves and properly get constantly incoming food is a feat in and of itself, not even taking into consideration trying to take down either one of those AVs... Infernal might be easier to take down if you happen to be doing the mission where there are demons constantly coming from a portal nearby, but in other situations, perhaps not. And, good luck with Diabolique--especially since she phases in and out (and is located usually at the beginning of the map). You could use Neb form to keep attacking her for constant incoming damage, but at what point do you navigate down each hall and up and down ravines/steps and around rocks (with teleport, no less) to try and have constant enemies incoming?Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Actually, any mission with an AV can be set to x8- If you're soloing it, the entire map will have ample Mire food to down a 53 or 54 AV if you're diligent in pulling your target and/or move fast enough from mire back to attacking.
If you can post a video of successfully pulling that off, I will permanently shut up about it, but as of now, the point stands, it isn't always feasible to have constantly incoming enemies in every developer-built story arc containing AVs.
"Alien"
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Also, if there are any unforeseen circumstances or anything else that happens during the fight to prolong it for any reason (and you of all people should know that this sort of thing happens all the time when fighting AVs), there may not even be enough enemies in a mission to properly get enough food. I know one of the maps that Black Swan spawns in is incredibly small, so that might factor in as well. -
Quote:So, essentially what you're saying is, human-form Warshades can't solo AVs unless they have a constantly fully saturated mire...Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
The problem with that line of thinking if one were to make this build choice based on potentially soloing AV's, is that you're going to need your Sunless Mire to stay saturated in order to keep your DPS up to high level AV slaying status, so you'll be pulling mobs regardless.
This is a huge disappointment, because constantly having enemies isn't always feasible, unless you're running MA missions specifically built for it.
Basically, anyone could say that soloing an AV is impossible for a Warshade in any *normal* situation (i.e., facing an AV while in an actual developer-built story arc).
With that in mind, I may just go ahead and scrap my 3rd build and stick with how I've always played... It works better for me.
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Quote:If this were implemented, EVERYONE would want a PB on their team.Originally Posted by Microcosm
change kb to kd.
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I actually agree with that (except for the "run human-only" being bad advice). When I was building my build 3, I took all the shields, because I was building that build with the mentality that I would be facing one target and one target only (the AV)... I assumed that bringing in "mob food" would not always be guaranteed, and therefore I would need as much resistances in every category as possible.
Taking shields isn't a bad thing. However, the manner in which he presented his advice was, at best, immature.
On the subject of placing IOs specifically for mez resistance, I tried putting a build together like that before (about 2 or 3 years ago) and posted it here on the forums, and was derided for doing that, because of the fact that I was completely unaware that in order to fully minimize a mez using resistances, you need 200% resistance to a mez--which is impossible to achieve in ANY build. At best, you *may* be able to attain 100% mez resistance, but "100% resistance" to a mez is a deceptive statement in the context of how this game works. 100% resistance will only HALVE the amount of time that you're mezz'd. It obviously won't protect you from mezzes, so why build for mez resistances? Why not build for defense to protect yourself from being mezz'd in the first place, and then build for recharge, so you can keep as much resistances to damage types as possible?
It really doesn't make sense to waste IO slots on "mez resistance"... Even though I have one slotted in my build, I don't even see much difference between having the Winter's Gift slow resistance IO slotted and not having it slotted. The difference is so minor that the justification for placing it is nearly nonexistent.
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Quote:Wow, really? He brought out the join date argument?Originally Posted by cool_bagheera
I give up you win.
Two heads are better than one.
You are completely right TwoHeadedBaby or what ever.
I am the noob and you are the great master.
TwoHeadedBoy : Join Date: Dec 2010
Me: Join Date: May 2004
2010 is greater that 2004 you win.
You can't judge how long someone's been playing the game based on their forum join date. I've been playing (on this account) since 2005, and I didn't even join the forums until 3 years later... Before that, I had an invite for beta to this game in 2003. On top of that, I have another account that I have posted on these boards with before that has a join date of just a couple years ago. You never know who you're talking to on the boards. Don't assume that you do.
You know what I value more than a join date? Advice given. And, to a lesser extent, post count. Do you know what that means? That means THB has been contributing valuable information, points of discussion, builds, advice, and general community fellowship to these boards FAR more than you have.
I'm all for anyone (yes, even people who don't post much) jumping into discussions and giving their two cents, but don't bully your way in with a know-it-all attitude, or NO ONE will listen to your advice--especially if they don't know you yet.
Let people get to know you, get to know what you know, start to respect you for your input and help with questions, and then....MAYBE... You can cop an attitude once or twice and people will say, "Alien, we love you, but cool it with the drunk posts, ok?"
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Quote:Actually, it was said (in so many words) in the first post of this thread--the fact that this was my 3rd build and that I would be fighting AVs (which implies upper-level content)...sorry I wasn't clearer than that.Originally Posted by Trip
I did not read any of your other threads. Relying on incarnate powers to mitigate KB, check. Simple question, thanks for the simple answer...carry on
"Alien"