UberGuy

Sadly, I have carefully confirmed that this bug is not related to manipulating things before the market notes them. Since I was first hit with this bug, I have been extremely careful to list items only after I see the market chat say I have placed the item on the market.

Tonight I tried to list a crafted LotG. Instead of listing that item, the interface listed a stack four uncrafted Posi's Damage/Rech - a basically worthless item that I couldn't even say why I was holding a stack of.

The LotG was in slot #14. The Posi's were in slot #1. I definitely, absolutely got a message from the market saying the item was stored.

By the way, the CSRs do refund inf for this sort of thing. They refunded my (smaller) market fees from the 1st time this happened. I'm certainly hoping they do so again.

Hearty belly laugh on that one.

As a developer myself, I kind of doubt that. The new market interface looks an awful lot like the stuff we got with the AE. My guess is that the performance problems were an excuse to make changes at all, and they decided to use new, better interface components to revamp the design while they were at it.

On the face of it, I think that would be fine. Unfortunately, I think they then committed a sin game devs everywhere are guilty of (and some other software devs too). I think they designed a new interface without a good understanding of what their users were actually doing with the old one.

I'm not going anywhere, but I get it, and the market isn't even that much of my time spent playing. What I've realized while it's malfunctioning, though, is that it's part of my daily draw. I want to see what happened with the doo-dads that I tried to buy or sell.

More importantly, I look forward to toying with a new build ... that the market is providing me the raw material to create. It's the same sort of feeling people get when they level. You go get something new and go back and take it out for a spin. But new builds and IOs provide a much longer-term version of that experience for a single character than leveling to 50 does.

The market isn't what I come to play the game for, but it's functionally essential to what I do enjoy about it. Take the market away and my dose rate of new shinies drops off, and that reduces my interest in play.

It's more complicated than just the amount of RAM. It also depends on hard drive speed and amount of disk fragmentation on the drive your game is installed on. Remember, all these little files are stored inside PIGG files. When the game has not already cached them, it must read all the images, all the item names, plus all the item descriptions. Not only is the drive then seeking around inside a single PIGG file, it's actually seeking around in multiple ones. (This doesn't involve any secret digging around - just look at the file names and you'll see there are separate ones for text and grapics resources.) Having your game on something like a 5400 RPM "green" drive that's also badly fragmented (something that patching can do for you over the long term) could really degrade the market load screen time.

My game's installed on a 10,000 RPM drive that I periodically defrag. I'm thinking that's pretty atypical.

A direct, proactive change on this basis seems unlikely. What it sounds like they do is monitor the median completion time and make adjustments. If people start taking longer on median, the reward will go up accordingly.

That all assumes they have no mez resistance. If they share the powers of the raid versions (not necessarily a good assumption) they have 50% mez resistance as well.

Edit: Scooped.

Castle, this is going to sound pretty mean, but I ask it as a serious question. Did you guys actually give that any thought? Did you really consider how many teams could actually achieve that?

I get that they were easier than intended before, but you surely understand that the mag 50 protection was effectively never tested, ever, right? And now it's thrown on live?

Er... not sure how NoScript could be at fault unless you failed to whitelist the forums. Which I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have done, or would have noticed (since it would horribly break a lot of really basic stuff).

They may be per-character, but they come back any time you zone after setting them.

That feature failed me completely. It warned me if a 700k listing fee for a 14M list price, then immediately charged me 7M when I accepted.

This is a known issue, and it's supposedly fixed on test. You have to log completely out to fix it currently.

It's coming back every time you zone, including logging out and back in later. The same issue applies to the new "delete useful salvage" prompt. It's incredibly frustrating.

Others have said it already, but it bears repeating. There's a radio button for this right next to the search box. This is one of the major changes that got put in by player request during beta. If you disable autocomplete, typing in names works just like it did on the old interface - including being a lot slower and loading a lot more info up front, so be warned. Sadly, the radio button setting also does not seem to be persistent.

This is a major, major, intense hatred I have of recent changes to the game. This behavior is not limited to the market interface. Once upon a time, your recipe list would remember what you had opened and closed unless you zoned with it open (kind of like the badge window does still). Now it resets every time you open it. I freaking hate how the Memorized recipe "folder" defaults to open, and now it is open every damn time I open my recipe inventory.

You can work around this by clicking the "Find" button to cause the item to appear in the market search list above. That display correctly shows number of bidders and listings. Of course it adds yet more clicking to the process. This one though looks like a pretty clear bug/oversight with something that should work. Here's hoping they fix it this year.

These are everything aesthetic/functional I dislike about the new market. Auto-fill prices needs to die in a fire while wrapped in acid dipped barbed wire. It's absolutely f'ing horrid. It increases time I spend at the market more than anything else, because I have to constantly carefully check to make sure I am not stacking digits on a prior bid.

Vista was a colossal PR failure for a reason. It was slower than what it replaced, less intuitive to the users, and had driver problems for a decent while after it became available. Like this market interface it contained improvements, but they were buried under issues that were more important to the end users than the improvements.

Case in point for the market - when I add something to the market, it appears at the bottom of the list. If my list is longer than my market window (and it almost always is) then I have to scroll down to see the new addition. If I then click on the addition, which I have to do if I want to do anything more with it, then it expands, and it is now taller than it was before. Once again, I have to scroll down to see the whole entry.

This interface is not beyond salvage - most of the issues it suffers from can (probably) be rectified with reasonable effort. Right now, though, it requires more manipulation of the interface to achieve the same ends. That's one of the most fundamental no-no's of interface design.

I never suffered any undue performance issues or crash problems with the old interface. That means, for me, this interface is a pure increase in overhead. I have no reason to appreciate that.

It's way higher than that. As mentioned, the only zones we know with a limit that low is the Hive or the Abyss.

Dude. How many chicks do you actually know? I have no idea what Arcana's gender is, but I'm with Bill. The above is dumb.

You've got to understand that your drop sample there is way tiny compared to what's needed to actually begin to see pattern. We've got a long-running where we're talking many thousands of drops measured across multiple players over the course of months, and that's barely enough to see the trend in purples.

The bug is with the interface, not the contents. There's zero reason for them to touch the data stored behind the interface to correct the fact that it doesn't transfer full stacks from the market to your inventory. That's like assuming that Toyota will destroy your car during a recall for the accelerator issue.

Temp powers are, indeed, their own drop pool. As you observed, this is what allows you to get a temp power and an enhancement recipe from a single defeat - something I have seen and even have a screenshot of happening to me solo.

They are not part of pool A. Both in beta and live I have gotten pool A and temp power drops from the same mob.

My theory on this new glut of temp recipes is that it may be intentional. Here's why I think that may be the case.

• There are a lot more temp power recipes now. To keep the odds of getting any one comparable to before, the overall drop rate needs to be increased.
• Temp powers now have clearly marked rarity. There are yellow and orange temp powers now, which was not the case previously. In order to meet some desired level of availability for these presumably more rare recipes based on their rarity in the overall pool, the total drop rate may have been increased. (This increase and the previous one need not have been unrelated.)

Edit: My anecdote does not match the one above about screwed up drop rates. My drop rate for regular enhancer recipes has been fine. I know someone else who's farming this weekend (down market be damned) who's gotten three purples since Thursday.