Aett_Thorn

I'd go Willpower. The Passive mitigation it offers pairs better with /EM than Dark Armor, which relies a great deal on active mitigation in the form of Dark Regen.

If this was done, who would play on the live servers?

And you are completely ignoring the fact that the server load dots are just that: SERVER LOAD. They are not population. Freedom and Virtue have gotten server upgrades. As such, it takes, on average, a much greater population on those servers to reach red server load.

The population in this game always takes a bit of a drop during the fall. This is due to many factors, not the least of which is that people go back to school, and jobs tend to ramp up for end-of-year stuff. This has been a trend over this game, and many others, for a long time now.

This isn't more content. It's just a new powerset with the same content. ACTUALLY adding content would be a good thing for the Devs to do. Of course, the Devs did give the players a way to make nearly unlimited content, but the Players then drove that system into the ground.

Creating more powersets would indeed do this. Allowing you to switch powersets would not. Right now, if you want to test a new powerset out, you need to make a new character, and level them up until the powers you wanted to test out. This take time.

If your suggestion were implemented, the players could just switch to the new set, and try it out. That's much less time to try things out, which means less revenues for Paragon Studios over time. Burst of revenues < steady revenues.

Maybe not, but neither will it flop because of a lack of this.

They can get much more change by creating a new character. Also, if all they're doing is farming, it doesn't matter what build they use to do it, they'll get bored at the same exact pace, and maybe even faster, as they find that running the same farm over and over again, even with different sets, is just as boring to them

You can keep saying this, but it doesn't make it true. If you think that your idea is good, by all means, continue to support it. But base your arguments on actualities, not just how you feel about a particular subject. Figure out the problems with your suggestion, and address them.

Saying things like, "oh, just level gate it," doesn't address many of the problems with the idea, including the financial aspects of it.

Please support these two comments with actual evidence, please. I've noticed a lot more population on my server since I16 came out.

Not that I'm defending the person you replied to, but you could have also followed the forum rules, and probably searched on this topic and found out some information on it yourself.

Also, flat out insults aren't likely to win you any votes on this.

The Vet rewards are supposed to be fluff, for the most part, at all Vet ranks. Saying that they should get more powerful as they go along, or at least 'better,' you create a system where new players get kind of screwed.

The Vet rewards aren't anything gamebreaking, for the most part (I'd say the perma-temp power attacks push the line too far already), and are simply there as a nice reward. Could they change it up a little, so that maybe you get a choice of costume options where each set is awarded? Sure. Should they change it around so that the costumes come first, and the powers later? No.

Mixing them up, so that you get a power here, a costume part there, some base options after that, etc., is a decent system where there's always something that you might want on the horizon, but you don't have to suffer through three years of random costume bits before you start getting to 'good' stuff.

Considering that I've never had that many people turn me down, I'd say no, it doesn't. People play for various reasons, and since I usually send a tell explaining exactly what we'll be doing, they usually at least tell me more than "no." But maybe that's just me.


Rewards are the answer. The problem is, they're already there, and you just don't seem to be seeing them. Both the "tangible" ones, like extra XP and Influence, and the intangible ones, such as more fun. All of these CAN be part of teaming for people. For some others, they aren't as important.


Ad hominem attacks rarely go far here. You were loving the massive teams that were there exploiting the system and gaining massive rewards faster than they were supposed to be getting them. People weren't there for the teams. They were there for the massive experience exploits.

People still team outside of the AE. Why you're having so much trouble finding them, I really don't know.

And I'm finding teams perfectly fine outside of the AE system, and I never sit in Pocket D. Maybe it's the fact that you can't wrap your mind around the arguments against you which makes you so mad? The people who sit in Pocket D all day were NOT the ones that were complaining about the AE system.

Players have the ability, and desire to team. I see them all of the time doing exactly that. Again, what are you doing to find teams? Are you part of a stable supergroup and/or coalition? What Global Channels are you on? Are you sure that people haven't put you on ignore?

A new reward for teaming is not needed. At all. People who want to team will team. People who want to solo will solo. Adding a new reward to teaming won't change that, and shouldn't be done anyways.

We do know what you're talking about. We just see it far less often for various reasons.

Not I. Because you still have yet to learn that people play this game for different reasons. Some have different machine capabilities, and might not be able to join large teams. You still have yet to get your head around the idea that people might just not want to team with you.

But saying that those people are "just taking up space" is a joke. For many reasons. If people have a desire to not want to team, you're not making them not want to, even if you offered a huge reward.

We're still going to need to know a lot more before we can really offer you suggestions. As I mentioned, getting Mid's will help, and you can put together your current build, and then people can help you out with some suggestions.

But it's very hard for us to tell you where to go if we don't know where you are.

Not much has changed to Fire Armor or Melee since you were last here, that I know of. I don't know why all that much has changed for you since then. The only thing I can think of is they sped up the Recharge on the heal, so that should have HELPED you, not hurt you, against Elite Bosses. Where are you fighting them? Is it only a few of them, or all of the ones you've gone against?

Please tell me where exactly you thought that was rude.

Was it the "Also, before posting ideas about power sets, please think them out and present them with data"?


Not only did he say please, but it's also not rude to ask somebody to think through an idea a little bit. I've seen people ask you to do this before. You've been here long enough to have seen powersets suggested before. You've probably seen people put enough into it that they've shown nine powers that they were thinking of.

We're not asking you to provide us with extremely well-balanced numbers, including exact mezz effects, or anything like that. But a brief description of how you perceive the set, and at least some powers within it, to show that this isn't just a whim, would be kind of nice.

I, like you, can come up with a million ideas a day. However, thinking through an idea before posting it, is considered polite to the people that you are asking to read your suggestion. Putting up only the bare bones, and then criticizing people for not understanding what you were thinking, isn't considered polite.

In your first post, you made no numerical suggestions that would indicate the type of damage increase that you later suggested. As such, how are we to know what types of numbers you were thinking about? Why would we assume that the damage on the set would be vastly higher than what we see in the game now when we compare a DoT power to a burst damage power?

Without some sort of information on what you were thinking, we have to make assumptions, and those cane be wrong (as seen here). Putting more information in your OPs can help cut down on the number of assumptions that need to be made to try to get to your idea.

The more thought that you put into your OPs, in general the more helpful the responses will be, because people have more information to go off of.

Stormfront,

First off, please learn the difference between disagreeing with you, and being rude. I was not attacking you. I was saying that your idea wasn't something I liked, and pointing out that you were using a term that you didn't fully seem to understand (and then explained what it actually was). If you feel that that was rude, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Still, I brought up the "7% Defender DoT power series" as an example. It was a straight blast-to-blast comparison that was easy to make, because it was an exact comparison between tier-2 blasts where one was pure DoT, and the other straight burst damage.

If you want, I can find other examples, and see if there are other numbers out there (and so could you).

Let's try Tankers (10-second recharge attacks):

Incinerate: 111.2 damage over 4.6 seconds

Jawbreaker: 87.2 damage

Greater Ice Sword: 87.2 damage

Siphon Life: 87.2 Damage

Gash: 87.2 Damage


111.2/87.2 = 1.275

Now, that's a 27.5% increase due to being a DoT over burst damage (though one could also say that it's in part due to Fire's secondary effect being damage, and the lateness that it comes in the set, but we'll use it for now).

If somebody wants to help me out with Blaster numbers, that would be great. I wasn't able to find a Blaster DoT effect that wasn't either front-loaded or had a very, very short DoT effect.

So, let's say that we use the 27.5% increase for now, since you've said that this set will have no secondary effects (like Fire Melee, for instance). We'll then take this set, and compare it to something like Energy Blast. Feel free to try it with another set, but I was thinking that since no attack in Energy Blast had much DoT to it (just two tics of damage at once), that it would be a good comparison. We're also going to assume a 3-second DoT on all of the attacks, doing only 3 tics of damage.


Power Bolt: 62.56
Power Blast: 102.6
Energy Torrent: 60.06
Power Burst: 132.63
Sniper Blast: 172.67
Aim:
Power Push: 16.76
Explosive Blast: 56.31
Nova: 304.98 (average)

Okay, now let's put those numbers into your theoretical set, with the bump from having it be DoT:

ST 1: 26.588 per tic (79.764 total)
ST 2: 43.605 per tic (130.815 total)
Cone: 25.5255 per tic (76.5765 total)
ST3: 56.36775 per tic (169.1033 total)
Sniper: 73.38475 per tic (220.1543 total)
Aim:
Utility: 7.123 per tic (21.369 total)
AoE: 23.93175 per tic (71.79525 total)
Nuke: 129.6165 per tic (388.8495 total)

So, the totals are fine. They represent a 27.5% increase over Energy Blast's damage. However, considering that this would be on a Blaster, look at the per tic damage. That is what will occur to the enemy before they get a chance to fire on the Blaster. It's about a third of the damage. Doing 56.36775 damage to the enemy from your best blast before he gets a return shot means that he will get a shot off at you. There would be no way to mitigate that incoming damage, since even unleashing your next-best attack directly after would mean that in total you've only dealt about 2/3 of the damage of the Energy Blaster, until the DoTs kick in. The Blaster would be very vulnerable during that time.


Could you make it so that this kind of Blaster would have a reasonable chance against a boss, due to an increase in damage over a Burst-damage set? Probably. But that would also then make it vastly overpowered when talking about minions. I just don't get how you'd make a set like this balanced for a Blaster who has no other mitigation available to him.

I got gray repped for "being rude" for my post. Sorry for being the test, apparently.