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I've actually got a nice graph to show the extreme disparity between ToHit Debuffs and Defense as of I7.

Here it is.


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Assuming a lower final ACC is better... that really mimics trends in my DEF vs RES comparisons from Issue5's changes...but on a much grander scale. End result: RES is still King, and -ACC is left WAY behind everything else.

(the difference between Medium and Mean is a Boss or two and LT's in a larger spawn versus a ton of Minions and some LT's...and everyone knows that a lot more minions and only a couple LT's is MORE REWARDING xp-wise than a smaller spawn with couple Bosses/EB's thrown in)

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You know what. I'll prove your [censored] wrong that debuffing isnt gimped now. When the patch goes Live, I'll still debuff and kill things easy.

I've lived through SR going from Subpar, to awesome with perma elude. To no perma elude. Then the global defense change, then ED and I still run great. Other people proclaimed it was the end for SR and that it was useless to play. But I still fight damn well.

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That's because nomatter what, you've always had Practiced Brawler. It's an entirely DIFFERENT story when you're being mezzed every 3rd hit and losing ALL of your -ACC/+DEF based toggles. ...but then no one expects most scrapper and blaster players to honestly and genuinely be sympathetic to the plight of defenders in the long-run... *cough*Castle*cough* ...no, when things go badly for you, y'all just yell "H3AL ME!" at the Defenders...anything else they might have been attempting to do is just a waste of effort where your welfare is concerned. I guess we're back to the status quo of 6-slotted Twilight, 02boost, Alkaloid, and RadiantAura by level-10, lest we start getting kicked off teams again.


To Statesman:
Damnit! Your bourgeois "Vision" for margainilizing all Defenders to "I R H34Lz0Rz" is an Assault on free thinking players everywhere and you need a new hobby! And tell Positron that Screwing us over b/c his MM's are "just a little too good" does not jive with your Risk/Reward mantra. NOOCH!

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I'm not worried over whether there's one's coming WITH i-7, that's just common sense.
We need one for THIS patch

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I certainly wouldn't gripe about it, but it isn't going to happen. Not with I-7 a month away from live.

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Well, to be fair we don't know that. It could be another 1-2 months, or 1-3 months unless Statesman or CuppaJo say "a month away from live".

Given how fast and with the apparent ease of which they pushed out free costume tokens, I don't think it would be hard (and hardly unbalancing for the game) to push out an extra Freespec *immediately*, and then to do so again after I7 comes out. Respeccing a character is *not* a game unbalancing thing, and people still did the respec trials immediately after they came out. I did Terra Volta a day or two AFTER the last Freespec. Why? I wanted another one.

Note they've done interim Freespecs before like this after dropping big changes, and it hurts nothing.

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Thank you, that's exactly the point I was *trying* to make....but rational.

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Another Nerf!!!! Come on this is getting silly.

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Someone else want to say it? Or should I?
(Just do it quick, before Taser shows up and goes fullblown FB mode)

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From what I've read further up, PvP is now 50% to hit, the same as Even Level Mobs in I-7. So you will see no change in PvP To-Hit

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Nope, but PvP Debuffing just took another hard one in the yippybob again... Like I've said elsewhere, this is a drop from 3 SO giving 96% total enhancment, to just 55% for the immediate future. That's why I'm demmanding a 'Freespec' with this Patch, ON TOP of the one they'll be owing us in Issue-7. Anytime a whole set... (such as my Dark-Blasts in particular which I was just barely getting by on in PvP on my Dark/Kin corruptor) loses 40% of it's Debuffing capability, it's Game Over... and you have to rebuild it to survive in other ways such as reslotting for self Healing, Recharge of other power types, and even take up pool powers to get by.

If Statesman has any level of remorse for this Scheduling conflict which was entirely his fault, or Positron's fault, then he can show it by atleast giving us Respecs each time these powersets are radically changed. ...And don't anyone try kidding yourselves about I-7's test duration... it's a HUGE DAMN patch, bigger than Issue-1&2 combined, bigger than any issue we've seen yet. ...And that means more bugs, exploits, and voodoo phoenomenae than we've ever seen outside of Beta testing. There's no way in hell it'll be out a month after this current patch hits Live. Those who want to go almost 2 months on gimped builds can do it if they don't feel like respecing. But I have no issues with a little extra work to preserve my avatars, it's better than whining about it for almost 2 solid months and doing nothing to change it.

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Yeah really. I remember the devs officially announced that the unrooting of Whirlwind was not part of the power's design or intent and that it was going to get a fix soon.

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No, there wasn't an official word on it. At one point, I remember Castle briefly nodding over his shoulder when it was brought up... but he frequently posts opninions that don't necessarily reflect any official stances. It's part of why he's so well liked by so much of the community.

If there was an official stance before now on WW's non-rooting effect, it would create a paradox with their Exploit Policy and they couldn't refer to it now as an Exploit. It's either a Bug that they could warn us would be removed, or it's an Exploitable Feature... it's not both.

Issue 6 was a month and a half away from issue 5's, and for heroes.. wasn't considered a full issue, CuppaJo agreed it had to be downplayed infact and not called an actual "free expansion", but SINCE it included E.D. in it, we got our FreeSpec. It was a major infastructure patch update ... which this patch has enough criteria to qualify as close enough.

Rescheduling/Rebuilding it wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't.

I'm not worried over whether there's one's coming WITH i-7, that's just common sense.
We need one for THIS patch

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we discovered that we couldn’t pull the change out without jeopardizing the I7 release schedule. Right now, QA (at NCSoft and Cryptic) is working away at I7 and shaking out bugs. If we were to roll back this change, our teams would need to put I7 aside and retest the current build. I made the decision to stay the course instead.

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Great... just Great... then you can "Make the decision" to give us a 'Freespec' with this patch so we won't be totally gimped between now and when I-7 finally goes live. Debuffing defenders already have enough hardships to endure. A month or more of sucking b/c you guys messed up the development schedule.... shouldn't be one of them

...You already owe one to everybody who took Whirlwind...

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that got nerfed in the new patch too

have to re-apply GI every time you're unhidden for it to add to -per

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Nope, that's how it has worked since Suppression was added to the game.

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There's another issue with GI though that's PvE related... if you reapply it, that person for some reason becomes visible again if they have no other stealth powers, and has resulted in being Alpha-Struck by mob spawns MANY times in my SG where a lot of us take Grant Invis and use it to setup for AoE debuffing blitzes.

...This makes Reapplying G.I. MORE dangerous than just letting it run out later in a lot of instances, especially instances where there might be large armies of mobs or AV's like Siren's hotspots and the new R's.V. PvP Zone.

...Shouldn't frequently reapplying G.I. be a win win situation for everyone?

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Don't know if this is I7 or before but...Guantlet will work in PvP soon.

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HOLY CRAP! Some GOOD news for atleast one support AT... it's about frikkin time.

Let me guess though? It will only work 5% of the time like my crappy chance of toggle dropping with Repel?

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AS nerf, placate nerf...looks like all the stalker nerf callers are getting their way.

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That's why I quit playing my Stalker months ago. I knew the whiners would get their way, and now it's happened.

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Oh shut the hell up, nothing's happened. This isn't a real nerf, even for my Stalker's standards. A real nerf to your Risk-Free PvP Ganking abilities would be reduction in your Mez protection or making AS's resistable. You all should be kissing the Devs' [censored] because Corrs/Defs and Controllers got slapped around silly this Patch but you guys were barely even touched. Plus you get PatronPowers with far-superior synergies for your playstyles than anyone else got. Go cry somewhere else.


Oh, and Hey... Speak of the Devil...
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EDIT: Additionally, this change was mostly aimed at the Bloody Bay and Siren's Call levels where Stalkers are so far above any other AT in Kill Count vs Death Count that it isn't even funny. In higher level PvP zones, players have plenty of options of dealing with Stalkers, which *should* force Stalkers to Team more.

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...Further proof that PvP stalkers have absolutely nothing to complain about

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Chimera is really good with his bow. Sure, he can still miss, but it won't be often.

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...Heh, or it could be another misplaced decimal point


In any case... Hey DEF builds... do yourselves a favor and make friends with some Kinetic and Dark defenders. Enough Siphon powers or Darkest Nights stacked on any EB or AV can take their damage down to Liuetenant levels.

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Actually, you're right. I think it's also against board policy to 'call out' a dev in your post title. I think that means I've been bad by actually responding. I'll have to stop doing that.

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Yay!! That means we can call him a giant-nerd all we want and he can't refute it


But seriously, I don't see what you guys are having so much problems with in the Blaster Secondaries. My stinky AR/Elec blapper can solo Unyielding and I don't even have FullAuto yet. If you want to talk about a hodgepodge of melee/blasts that are truly underpowered, then you guys need to give a Dom a trying out. They even make frikkin Energy-Melee feel weak and uneffective. My Blapper is twice the dominator my Dominator is...bonus points for having more Health on top of it.

...says Jon Woods in this article

Have we gotten a solid confirmation from the Devs that there wouldn't be any EaT's?
I thought we got several hints that there would not be any... Awry? Jo? wanna step in here and settle this maybe? Is he just confused about the new MM/Stalker/Brute powersets or what's planned for Issue-8? And if he is, what have all the Art resources been invested in for the last frikkin Half a Year? Inquiring minds that were told one thing and then another, want to know.

...so was fury. (though there's still some debate over who got the better deal)

Vigilance however, was NOT an idea from the forums and proves the difference between a player suggested inherent and a "developer compensated" one.

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This has been brought up a couple times internally. The problem with making AS check Range twice is that it would be virtually impossible to land in PvP. It would also make it unique in that all other melee powers only check range once, so even if your target is running, you will still land the attack, no matter how far away they get.

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Yeah, well maybe it should be "brought up internally" that the real problem(And main cause for Ganking in the next issue) stems from stalkers hitting Buildup and Placate while in Melee range and immediately starting an AS while their opponent is still under the effects of travel suppression. It's a little hard to break line of sight at that point... Oh, and the 1% solution doesn't solve this problem either.

Just thought I'd toss that out there.... Since it would be a lot easier on both the Design Team and the Coding team to make Buildup and Enrage-popping suppress special effects like the Stealth pool power and the inability to target the biggest threat because you're placated or taunted. {This applies to Blapper/Tanker duos where the Tanker can TP-Foe and Taunt/Fear, and the Blapper can Buildup-->Snipe and then TF or lay tripmines right in melee and the taunted player can't do a goddamned thing to interrupt it). ..all of which can happen in the same time frame as an Assassin strike.}

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I just rolled a Dark/Poison MM

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Hmmm, now how did you manage that?

Try as I might, it won't let me select two secondaries and skip right over the primary. I'd be a Force Field/Sonic Resonance Controller!

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It means I only took the Dark Blasts in Necro, no pets. ..and yeah, it's working fine, plenty of DPS.

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Until we get thrown into some weird alternate reality where we suddenly become the leaders of the heroes and everything's thrown all out of whack and some of the heroes become villains, but not all of them, and then the universe suddenly ends and everything's back to normal except a few of our dopplegangers from the other universe made it into this one which causes all sorts of other crazy things... anyway, the point is, um, the point... well it's in there somewhere, you figure it out.

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...Yeah, we could settle for that crap... or the Devs could spend some time checking out the best looking SG's and outfits from Costume contests in CoH and import them into to dress up the "authority" groups some.

Reconstruction and Hoarfrost are supposed to give Toxic resistance, so it's likely they're the only ones that for some reason can't be affected that way. ...However if I find out my Hoarfrost CAN be debuffed but Reconstruction can't, I'm going to be rather pissed because I just rolled a Dark/Poison MM for a laugh, and other than endurance issues, it looks like they could easily humiliate an Ice Tank in PvP and I don't think that's right... Under some circumstances, they do more damage than many corruptors and that ain't fair to my Dark corruptor either. ...sorry, now I'm just rambling... Point is, all these BS/Rgn, EM/Rgn, and Spine/Regens in PvP got enough going for them as it is, they shouldn't be immune to debuffs that the rest of us are vulnerable to... End-Drains included.

It doesn't stack with itself either. I don't get that, it recharges fast enough, it's Clearly poison's version of Siphon-Power, and that stacks with itself just fine. What's the problem here? If it's not going to do what it says against everything it's supposed to do it against, then tell Geko to make the damn thing Stack from the same source so we atleast get some real use out of it in other ways and have a reason to slot it up....sheesh

Are you suggesting there's something in that which is hypocritical or doesn't mesh with Risk-vs/Reward?
This game is filled with very powerful, but very situational attack and defense powers.
...and is the main reason why I find this 1% solution to be a stupid waste of time.

OK, GtG, thanks for indulging my bizarre views of PvP

Yes, That's also an accurate statment of what I'd also find to be good tactics and encouraging of teaming for everyone involved. ...And Hidden-status needs to be Buffed some so that the use of criticals can keep the Stalker's DPS up in PvP and PvE. ...not sure how they could do that other than reducing it's supression duration. I'm also relatively displeased with our low Chances of Critting a held opponent...that needs to be buffed some too. Ya Hear that Castle? Stalkers could use a number of Buffs even though you seem to think: 'none is warranted'

(please excuse my typos, I'm trying to rush through this so I can get back to playing)

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Someone soloing in SC, that doesn't have a method to avoid AS deserves to get a sword/claw/spine/fist in the back. People keep trying to balance the game solo and thats not how it works.

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Just being on a team is hardly mutually exclusive to being one-shotted constantly by Stalkers. Then again it's also really tedious.. I have alot more fun taking some heroes down with my corruptor among other corrupters. Best part is, the most damage one of the Scrappers(On a critical) or Blappers has ever peeled off me in 1 shot was only half my HPs, not all of them like when a Stalker hits Buildup-->AS.

I see too much argument here on the damage amounts, and while that may factor into it like I just described, I think it's the 1-sided nature of it that's what really makes it Tedious and gives me no interest in playing a Stalker the way everyone else does. I mean what else is there to it? Ya Double Stealth in with Buildup, and sometimes Placate, and then peel off 90-100% (85% in a scrapper's case) of their HitPoints in one shot. And saying someone deserves to get 1-shotted on the spot because they don't have an Auto-Hit aura or Layer-3 perception is just malicious...Come on Thorz, you can't actually mean that.

Now if someone got 1-shotted by a Stalker who only had Hide going for him, no Stealth on top of it... or if "the meat" just stood around like an idiot after being Placated, then I could see how they earned themselves a rude suprise. But the way it can be done currently....(especially when Placate suppresses the interruption that many Player auras are normally capeable of)... is just plain Challengeless to an AT tasked with being the master of opportunity. No, their Buildup-AS'ing is all but guranteed, even against teams because most teams in PvP are still PuGs with very limited counters.

But then hitting buildup and popping enrages or insights while being invisible/stealthed and then using TP-Foe or some kind of Alphastrike is a cheap move that several AT's can all use and has consistantly resulted in the Gankfest nature of PvP since Issue-4 that's driven most players away from PvP. It's just not consistant with the Dev's normal standards of Risk-vs-Reward. If someone hits Buildup or pops Enrages/Insights, they should glow like the freaking Sun. And I'm not saying this because I'm the one getting hit, no I'm preaching this because I was the usually the one who was completely Invisible while downing Enrages and then 2 or 3 shotting people [ON A CONTROLLER] in PvP ever since Issue-4. It's cheap and I don't even want the temptation of it around anymore.

Do something about it Devs. No "Invisible Archetype" in PvP should also
have Alphastrike Capabilities, it totally screws up the teaming dynamics.

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Well that prooves Castle's not a Dork... He's a goddamned MinMaxxer!