City of Heroes Petition Reaches 20,000 Signatures
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Ael Rhiana,
Posted on: 2012-09-27 17:49 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Awesome!
Global@SteelDominator
That's a lotta signatures.
Yay!
Go for 25,000! Go go go people! Re-link that petition, we still have two months to go until D-Day.
I'm thinking more like... 100,000.
That should be the goal.
If we can get more people to sign the petition than actually play the game, we'd be golden.
Still, 20,000 is impressive.
This is worth doing! We shouldn't stop, but keep encouraging the entire mmo community to join in. This effects us all. The way this game was shut down was much different than other failed mmo's, and I believe the mmo community should care. But if most don't notice what happened to us the efforts our small but faithful community does may bring this disaster to their attention. Even a low cost maintenance mode with no new content would prompt me to renew my VIP status. I bet there are many more who would do the same.
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Sadly, there probably could be more people playing the game right now. A lot of folks who never experienced it but are hearing about the protests, are VERY curious about the game now, but nobody can make a new account. |
Originally Posted by Mad Grim
I'm thinking more like... 100,000.
That should be the goal. If we can get more people to sign the petition than actually play the game, we'd be golden. Still, 20,000 is impressive. |
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Cool, what is that about 1/5th of the peak population? I think a little more than a quarter will have to get someone, even if the receptionist, to notice. A third, some management should raise an eyebrow. Half, someone near the top should be looking over it. More than half, if the CEO is left in the dark then and not hear of it, it would be sad. Ofcourse that is assumed verified signatures. Why havent this hit Yahoo news or the likes or even been given a TV spot? Hell, WoW loses a few players and it makes the news.
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
City of Heroes Petition Reaches 20,000 Signatures
http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes Dear NCSoft: is honor important to you? There's still time to honor your customers, NCSoft. We've been loyal to you for eight years. Now, we're giving you the opportunity to show your gratitude. To show your honor. To make all of us come out of this looking great. Please help give City of Heroes/Villains another home for its loyal fans. Yes I know NCSoft will never read this OP. But if you're looking for a quick copy/paste to dump all over the Web in comments sections under various news articles about City of Heroes, here's an idea for your copy/paste Notepad file. |
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard.  Never change, E_L! |
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I've been watching the Petition very closely in the past week. It only hit 20k today, but I don't know at what time. It's possible it didn't happen till after the end of the business day. But yeah, this may get the campaign in the gaming news yet again.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Cool, what is that about 1/5th of the peak population? I think a little more than a quarter will have to get someone, even if the receptionist, to notice. A third, some management should raise an eyebrow. Half, someone near the top should be looking over it. More than half, if the CEO is left in the dark then and not hear of it, it would be sad. Ofcourse that is assumed verified signatures. Why havent this hit Yahoo news or the likes or even been given a TV spot? Hell, WoW loses a few players and it makes the news.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Hell, WoW loses a few players and it makes the news.
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Well, a few players for them is 3-4 MILLION. Lets face it, WoW is the kid in class that destroys the grading curve for everybody else.
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Originally Posted by jwbullfrog
Well, a few players for them is 3-4 MILLION. Lets face it, WoW is the kid in class that destroys the grading curve for everybody else.
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lol. true.
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Originally Posted by jwbullfrog
Well, a few players for them is 3-4 MILLION. Lets face it, WoW is the kid in class that destroys the grading curve for everybody else.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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I'm aiming for regular news.
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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
I've been watching the Petition very closely in the past week. It only hit 20k today, but I don't know at what time. It's possible it didn't happen till after the end of the business day. But yeah, this may get the campaign in the gaming news yet again.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
We'd have to do a whole lot more to reach the main screen turn on news. 
A week or two ago I wanted to get a flash mob organized right outside NCSoft's NA offices--something for which there are groups of people out there ready and willing. And I looked into finding some people who have experience making those events turn out really well, but in the end I realized I'd need a whole lot of support going into it; and as much as I hate to sound negative, the most I could get out of our community was one or two laughs.
I also had an idea to have two giant paper mache Statesman statues erected outside of NCSoft's UK and NA offices simultaneously. This would have taken some money and help, but hit up Google Images for "giant paper mache statue" and you'll see that it's not such a crazy idea, there are some really cool ones that have been made by people (if you search around you'll find a huge Hulk one). Someone was even willing to deliver the UK one. Again, no one saw merit in this.
I believe there's still time to pull off big stunts like these, or more effective ones. It's not the notion that "U GUYZ IGNORD MY IDEAZ" that irritates me--this is the Internet, getting an idea across is largely about timing if you're not well-known, and sometimes even then. Rather, it's the notion that a lot of people are allergic to any effort that would cause them to get up out of their chairs for too long and do something in the real world. You can't get into the mainstream news without a real big show of love for whatever cause you're supporting--and that takes more than big numbers of people; it also takes big crazy antics. The press loves big crazy antics (when they're harmless--so no vandalizing Hellion style).
I also think we should have had one reliable source handle the shipping and dumping of all of our letters, masks and capes out of a single truck right at NCSoft's South Korean doorstep, with the news media there to see it. This wasn't my idea, I've seen other people bring it up here and there. I agree that we missed a great opportunity by trickling these items into NCSoft's mail rooms in a fashion that may be easily ignored by the higher ups. You can't get big corporations to pay attention to you. You can only get the MEDIA to get the big corporations to pay attention to you. Big corporations don't have ears or hearts. They do have PR departments.
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
We'd have to do a whole lot more to reach the main screen turn on news.
A week or two ago I wanted to get a flash mob organized right outside NCSoft's NA offices--something for which there are groups of people out there ready and willing. And I looked into finding some people who have experience making those events turn out really well, but in the end I realized I'd need a whole lot of support going into it; and as much as I hate to sound negative, the most I could get out of our community was one or two laughs. I also had an idea to have two giant paper mache Statesman statues erected outside of NCSoft's UK and NA offices simultaneously. This would have taken some money and help, but hit up Google Images for "giant paper mache statue" and you'll see that it's not such a crazy idea, there are some really cool ones that have been made by people (if you search around you'll find a huge Hulk one). Someone was even willing to deliver the UK one. Again, no one saw merit in this. I believe there's still time to pull off big stunts like these, or more effective ones. It's not the notion that "U GUYZ IGNORD MY IDEAZ" that irritates me--this is the Internet, getting an idea across is largely about timing if you're not well-known, and sometimes even then. Rather, it's the notion that a lot of people are allergic to any effort that would cause them to get up out of their chairs for too long and do something in the real world. You can't get into the mainstream news without a real big show of love for whatever cause you're supporting--and that takes more than big numbers of people; it also takes big crazy antics. The press loves big crazy antics (when they're harmless--so no vandalizing Hellion style). I also think we should have had one reliable source handle the shipping and dumping of all of our letters, masks and capes out of a single truck right at NCSoft's doorstep, with the news media there to see it. This wasn't my idea, I've seen other people bring it up here and there. I agree that we missed a great opportunity by trickling these items into NCSoft's mail rooms in a fashion that may be easily ignored by the higher ups. You can't get big corporations to pay attention to you. You can only get the MEDIA to get the big corporations to pay attention to you. Big corporations don't have ears or hearts. They do have PR departments. |
I bet though if the tables were flipped and someone mentions the downside of this game and juciy details of like how one player ignored his family to play, lost his job because he stopped going, and havent left the house in weeks nor showered or changed clothes and etc, the media probably would eat it up. Well, not as much as they used to because I think they moved on the people that played for weeks without stopping and keeled over.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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I never let a job go for a game. But of all the MMO's I've played, this is the only one that ever kept me up so long that I went temporarily blind via my first ever aural migraine. |
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
exactly.
I bet though if the tables were flipped and someone mentions the downside of this game and juciy details of like how one player ignored his family to play, lost his job because he stopped going, and havent left the house in weeks nor showered or changed clothes and etc, the media probably would eat it up. Well, not as much as they used to because I think they moved on the people that played for weeks without stopping and keeled over. |
But WoW has done far more damage than that to people, and... well... I don't see that hurting the game at all.
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oh no not talking about talking about hurting the actual game. Just the fact that you have to work 5-20 times as hard to get something positive some news coverage while they will quickly latch on to some poor WoW player that stayed up for days on the game powered only soda that kicks bucket in middle of a raid.
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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
I never let a job go for a game. But of all the MMO's I've played, this is the only one that ever kept me up so long that I went temporarily blind via my first ever aural migraine.
But WoW has done far more damage than that to people, and... well... I don't see that hurting the game at all. |
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Um, I did mention that while I lack the talent to make those things, I was more than willing to chip in for the supplies. I know my post count is small enough to be easily ignored, but I did think it was a cool idea.
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
I also had an idea to have two giant paper mache Statesman statues erected outside of NCSoft's UK and NA offices simultaneously. This would have taken some money and help, but hit up Google Images for "giant paper mache statue" and you'll see that it's not such a crazy idea, there are some really cool ones that have been made by people (if you search around you'll find a huge Hulk one). Someone was even willing to deliver the UK one. Again, no one saw merit in this.
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Stuff happening to WoW makes the news because WoW has a bigger subscriber base than any half-dozen of its competitors combined. Most MMOs, you have to hunt through search engine results to confirm they exist.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Cool, what is that about 1/5th of the peak population? I think a little more than a quarter will have to get someone, even if the receptionist, to notice. A third, some management should raise an eyebrow. Half, someone near the top should be looking over it. More than half, if the CEO is left in the dark then and not hear of it, it would be sad. Ofcourse that is assumed verified signatures. Why havent this hit Yahoo news or the likes or even been given a TV spot? Hell, WoW loses a few players and it makes the news.
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How often does a story about sales at, say Cisco, hit the mainstream news? Compare that to Apple. How many companies who basically only run websites have been in the mainstream news in the past, oh, ten years other than Facebook? How often do you read an article about Bing or Yahoo, as opposed to Google?|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Why havent this hit Yahoo news or the likes or even been given a TV spot? Hell, WoW loses a few players and it makes the news.
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Apple, Google, and Facebook all turn up in the news regularly because they have staggering user bases and are brand names immediately recognized world wide. (Well, actually Facebook and Google both struggle in some parts of the world, but then probably so do things like CNN and Fox. I see headlines about Apple, Google and Facebook all the time on the BBC World News, though.)
There's a chicken and egg thing here, where if you make it far enough, you pick up inertia from networking effects that can keep you in the collective consciousness of at least certain regions or cultures, and being in the collective conscious makes things going on with you "news worthy".
Almost no other game has achieved that besides WoW. I've never seen an mainstream news spot about subscriber counts for any other game but WoW, ever. I am not sure I've ever seen a television advertisement for any other MMO, either.
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Not sure how the first two paragraphs relate to what I was saying about this game getting a spot on Yahoo news, but yeah no other game has hit main stream news besides WoW it seems. But that doesnt mean things cant change. I mean if we are serious about getting some actual publicity outside the game world for this cause or what ever, then eventually have to move to a bigger media outlet. |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
How often does a story about sales at, say Cisco, hit the mainstream news? Compare that to Apple. How many companies who basically only run websites have been in the mainstream news in the past, oh, ten years other than Facebook? How often do you read an article about Bing or Yahoo, as opposed to Google?
Apple, Google, and Facebook all turn up in the news regularly because they have staggering user bases and are brand names immediately recognized world wide. (Well, actually Facebook and Google both struggle in some parts of the world, but then probably so do things like CNN and Fox. I see headlines about Apple, Google and Facebook all the time on the BBC World News, though.) There's a chicken and egg thing here, where if you make it far enough, you pick up inertia from networking effects that can keep you in the collective consciousness of at least certain regions or cultures, and being in the collective conscious makes things going on with you "news worthy". Almost no other game has achieved that besides WoW. I've never seen an mainstream news spot about subscriber counts for any other game but WoW, ever. I am not sure I've ever seen a television advertisement for any other MMO, either. |
Hell, with all the "tons of media coverage" that this save the COX supposedly have, people have to search deep to find anything. Those people that know where to find this "coverage" probably already was a player of the game and or knew about the closing of this game within a week of the announcement. It's like saying the murder that occured on September 27th in Lubbock Texas is getting tons of media coverage yet, only appeared in a small column in the ad section of the local news paper.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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Well, I don't know what to tell you. Not to be rude, but I think it's ridiculously obvious.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Not sure how the first two paragraphs relate to what I was saying about this game getting a spot on Yahoo news
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| Hell, with all the "tons of media coverage" that this save the COX supposedly have, people have to search deep to find anything. Those people that know where to find this "coverage" probably already was a player of the game and or knew about the closing of this game within a week of the announcement. |
I'm not sure how relevant it is in practice, but having #SaveCoH show up as a trending topic on Twitter, at least for a while, was a fairly big deal in web 2.0 terms. Whether or not one thinks being a blip on the radar in the web 2.0 universe is actually a big deal in terms of the wider wordl varies a lot, in my experience.
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That doesn't mean it's not worth doing. It just means we need perspective about what even "wild success" is likely to mean in practice.
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Well, I don't know what to tell you. Not to be rude, but I think it's ridiculously obvious.
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Ok, then I wont worry about it.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Without the same degree of tragedy, it is like that. No matter how much we love this game, we're never going to rate with headlines about civil war, worldwide economic crisis, or even Hollywood drama. There aren't enough people interested, and there's not enough reason to get them to be. We have to keep perspective about what is reasonable for us to achieve even if we are wildly successful. Even astronomical levels of success for getting the word out for CoH's plight is still not likely to appear on the main page of a world news site or the front page of a news paper.
That doesn't mean it's not worth doing. It just means we need perspective about what even "wild success" is likely to mean in practice. |
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
You know, Massively.com puts CoH back onto their front page most every day. Are we linking this petition in the new CoH blogs there as they happen? It's subject-appropriate, shows fan support (for both CoH and for Massively's coverage of this situation) and is a positive public voice like the PS heads said at the dinner 9/26 that they still need. We can get this a lot higher than 20k names.
And have you sent your stories to Game Informer? They're writing an article on the Save CoH campaign, too! I just saw a Titan thread on it in the Save Paragon section at the top of their forums. And send Game Informer the link to the petition, too. Imagine the scope of coverage they can bring to this movement!
While 20,000 signatrues is awesome, it isn't exactly mind blowing. With these sorts of things you generally need numbers upwards of 100,000+ to even begin making any sort of difference. We sadly won't reach the numbers needed to really make a difference with an online petition. I'll be surprised if we hit 25k by the time the servers shut down. And I mean legitimate sigantures, not one person signing hundreds of times, which people might even already be doing.
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City of Heroes Petition Reaches 20,000 Signatures
http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
Dear NCSoft: is honor important to you?
There's still time to honor your customers, NCSoft. We've been loyal to you for eight years. Now, we're giving you the opportunity to show your gratitude. To show your honor. To make all of us come out of this looking great. Please help give City of Heroes/Villains another home for its loyal fans.
Yes I know NCSoft will never read this OP. But if you're looking for a quick copy/paste to dump all over the Web in comments sections under various news articles about City of Heroes, here's an idea for your copy/paste Notepad file.
@Captain-Electric � Detective Marvel � The Sapien Spider � Moravec Man � The Old Norseman
Dark-Eyes � Doctor Serpentine � Stonecaster � Skymaiden � The Blue Jaguar
Guide to Altitis � A Comic for New Players � The Lore Project � Intro to extraterrestrials in CoH