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I thought everyone is entitled to their opinion.

In situations like this, some people may be viewed as over optimistic and believing in a miracle by some. While some people may be viewed as...not sure of proper word...but wrong when they state they not as enthused or believe as much as said miracle happening.

It shouldn’t have to be an "us vs. them". Or "I’m right and you're wrong" situation.

There has been a lot of jumping on someone case for someone even just merely mentioning that COH just might not make it beyond Nov 30th. The sad parts that I think some people may not realize is that COH MIGHT not make it beyond Nov 30th. At the same time, it might just make it after Nov 30th. And stating side, whether it's based on optimistic hope, or "realistic" "it is not being saved", and neither one is toxic. It's not like NCSoft did not say they was planning on ending this game and Paragon studio so I think, realistically, they may stick to their word with the possibility that this may the last we see COX once Nov 30 rolls around. There is nothing toxic about stating what NCSoft posted, said, and might and or likely to happen or not likely to happen. It's just a different view and a different way of looking at the situation.

Insulting a game that a player may or may not end up running to in the end, is not a very good look especially when they been very welcoming to people who is looking for a super hero MMO game to play. For all the crap some of these players here talk about CO, and some of those same crap talkers about already transferred over to the same game that just a few months ago they was downing worse than a mangy dog, is not a good look. The CO community could have just sat back and laughed and said good riddance as a whole, but they didn’t. I hope some of these truly toxic attitudes do not transfer over to CO or any other game and poison their well.


 

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people who is looking for a super hero MMO game to play.
There's only one superhero MMO.


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Not everyone is prepared to lower their standards - some people would rather aim for the stars than crawl around in a cel-shaded sewer.
Seriously, grow up and drop the insults. Adults are talking.

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There's only one superhero MMO.
Uh.. Yeah. Besides the other two. Sure.


 

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Not everyone is prepared to lower their standards - some people would rather aim for the stars than crawl around in a cel-shaded sewer.
But that sewer gives good exp.


 

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I'm currently supporting COH by proposing that we encourage another studio to hire our dev's.
That's not supporting CoH - it's trying to add some class to that 4th-rate Cryptic trash pile.


@Golden Girl

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our people are divided right now Half are still in Coh and the other half is in Co, Showing any Support for our Dev, might show Co Dev how things should be done.

Any Case maybe someone in The Co Community will take notice and help with our fight against Injustice.


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You're the thread jacker here dude.

I think your effort is a wonderful, well-meaning gesture, but ultimately a waste of time. You don't have to agree with my perspective. I think you're free to keep trying, and I think it will be an exercise in futility. You don't have to agree with me. But you don't see me going into TonyV's thread saying this. I'm posting my opinions in my thread, as well as highlighting what's personally important to me. So I suggest that you do the same, instead of trying to shove your wee little #OccupyCOH rhetoric down my throat.

What I think could be ultimately beneficial to all of us is if we try to get our awesome former dev's hired at Cryptic, which is the logical destination for the COH community- With the added incentive of Golden Girl not being there.
Read your thread over on the CO board. Good stuff. Never know, some might have already contacted Cryptic and trying to get on board. Yet, some may have looked elsewhere for other projects. Either way, I think the devs that worked on this game seemed skilled enough that they wont (i hope) have any problem finding employment even if on another project of NCSoft.


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Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks."
I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

 

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That's not supporting CoH - it's trying to add some class to that 4th-rate Cryptic trash pile.
It may not be supporting CoH, but it is helpful for the devs that need jobs.


 

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Seriously, grow up and drop the insults.
Suggesting CO as an alternative to CoH is an insult in itself.


@Golden Girl

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It may not be supporting CoH, but it is helpful for the devs that need jobs.
Like the majority of CoH players, they probbaly have standards too.


@Golden Girl

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Suggesting CO as an alternative to CoH is an insult in itself.
Interesting opinion. I agree, but an interesting opinion none-the-less.


 

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Like the majority of CoH players, they probbaly have standards too.
I'm not too proud if I have people I need to support.


 

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GG is demonstrating how infantile she is to a large enough extent that I just want her to keep going and further discredit any semblance of credibility she ever might have had.


 

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That's not supporting CoH - it's trying to add some class to that 4th-rate Cryptic trash pile.
I dont think CO is that bad. Plus the community seems to be very friendly, in game and on [b]forum[b]. Friendlier than here? Well I dont trash talk communities but COH is it's own "interesting" animal. CO have some pretty neat stuff that over here said it couldnt/wouldnt be done yet. Even if they pick up a few devs I dont think I would like that game to become another COX clone, and from the looks of it neither would majority of the CO community. I think the devs that may or may not transfer would understand that and probably would fit right in on making the game better without going in kicking in doors and trying to CO that the right way to do it is the COH way. And I hope the people that do tranfer do not do that either. Although I wouldnt put it past some people here.
But different strokes for different people. Some people think the SWOR or what ever the acro is for that game, is a great game. I find the concept very non-inspiring to say the least, in a nice way.


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Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks."
I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

 

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I like your idea, Two Headed Boy.

Time to pull my finger out and set my account up on the Champions forums, so I can add to your thread there.

Champions is lacking most in variety of content and stability/bugginess. Adding some of the dev team from Paragon would undoubtedly help with both of these. I'd say its in the same state that CoH was three years in, and could become a brilliant game if polished for another five years by a team of this calibre.
Its already got some features better than CoH (such as the treatment of superstrength, a staple of the medium), it could go way further.

This is a really good option to cultivate.


Golden Girl - grow up and drop the "us vs them" act. It was tiring with villains and heroes and praetorians, its even more tiresome here. There's nothing cool about stubbornly refusing to see the merit in something different.


 

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Okay, one last thing, and this isn't to win the argument, because I really never plan on that around here.

When corporations reverse their decisions (this is similary true for democratic governments, as any South Korean could attest, ironically), like in this case about changing or cancelling a service or product, it is most often because of public outcries. And in the case of corporations especially, public outcries are often met initially with seemingly impassive silence. There can be any number of reasons why. It can even be a simple tactic. There are many moving parts in these behemoth organizations (including other corporations with their own interests at stake). But, in the end, sometimes these outcries work, if they're loud enough, if they're prolonged enough, and perhaps most importantly, believe it or not, if the so-called "unbiased" press is sympathetic enough. I said sometimes. Not every time. But when events like this become an opportunity for good PR ("We listen to our customers!"), they actually give a corporation incentive to hold off for the optimal amount of media coverage before caving to their customers demands.

Now, none of that was actually the important part. It was just stuff I bet you already know, you're a smart guy.

The important part is realizing who makes these events successful. Is it the negotiators? Shareholders? Mediators? Financially and professionally invested management? Sure, absolutely. But the biggest contributor to the success of a public outcry or media campaign is the customers, every single time. None of these talks even have a chance in Hades of happening unless and until a business's customers rally each other and the press to their cause.

It is perhaps inaccurate to confuse this campaign of action with an "Occupy" movement. There are a lot of things planned yet still for us to make our voices heard, including our community's annual charities. We're not just sitting down and taking this.

My request to you is to consider this: if this works, and City of Heroes is saved, who do you think the franchise producer will thank most of all? Lawyers? Employees? Or us? Do you think he was kidding when he asked us to keep making noise? When a circumstance like this is turned around, a consistent, maintained, prolonged and very noisy public outcry always lies at the root of it. A bunch of angry demanding customers who were willing to keep trying.

I'm not making a movie speech. Realistically, historically speaking, not every public outcry ends in failure (just ask the South Koreans). And if we do succeed here, I'll have one more question for you. What if we had all taken your advice to heart, and given up?


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In every department.
I like some of their costume options a bit more.


 

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In every department.
Yes, that's right. Champions is poopy, you adorable little moppet.
Please dont play it.


 

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Now this whole thread is about whether or not a rogue group making up about 20% of the active forum population which makes up about 10% of the in game population
Remember that large rally? The one that filled up Virtue with over 3000 players and then overflowed to some unknown amount to other servers? And a large amount of people in queue for the server?

The post for it has only 119 posts total, and unique posters in the thread is some amount less than that. The view count is 6000, but the view count goes up for a thread each time a person looks at it. It's not unique views.

So no, it's not just a small % of the active forum population participating. It's a multiple of the forum population. I know I got someone who's never touched the forums to attempt to show up (she got server queued).

Surprise, people from the forums talk to people not on the forums. And a lot of people do stuff without ever posting about it. I only post in those threads to increase visibility.

Speaking of which. the Positron's Ally event is still tomorrow/today (thursday). Show up! Get other people to show up! Show up again on Saturday!

Are you Positron's ally? Show it!


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