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Bookkeeper_Jay,
Posted on: 2012-09-19 18:34 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Getting the devs' names right would probably be a good first step for your plan.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Look, I know you just want to somehow magically save COH. And I can see that lots of people still think that our game can be preserved. But it can't be, and that's just the truth of the matter. Best practical case scenario, TonyV and his team copy over enough data to make a private server. There will be no professional dev's. There will be no real progress. It will probably be copyright infringement that can be shut down at any time. Do you really want to invest time or money into something illegal? It won't be above board at all.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
CoH is worth the effort, trash like CO isn't - that's why we're still here.
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faces and generally walk around like you own the place.
ok, will edit the post, could have sworn it said his name was josh..ah well, it was late.
And lets tone down the trash talk. the Co playerbase has been surprisingly supportive of us during this time, and several less civil elements could easily have taken this as an opportunity to grave dance about the subject, as would some here if pw had not come through when atari did much the same to co and pwi saved them.. Lets reserve a modicum of civility towards them. We can make our case without being catty.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
You're so freaking obnoxious, I swear to god. Let me speak candidly for a minute. You're insulting another game that is clearly doing better than this one, since it isn't being shut down. l.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
reign in yourself there cowboy, you know very well that CO was in a very similar situation when atari got rid of them last year. It is not about who is doing better, it is about who has a publisher that is willing to accept a game's performance. You know very well that had pwi not stepped in, co would be just as dead months ago.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
And in case you haven't noticed, being lightheartedly alienating is kind of my shtick.
The worst part about being me is that when I say sincere stuff, people conveniently ignore me. I know "TonyV is doing lots of stuff." You could've just said that. Every COH player has seen those incessant, futile and well intentioned threads by now. Jeez. I pointed out that I signed the petition. I pointed out that I liked the Facebook pages and even contributed a good amount of rally screenshots. I pointed out that I recommended the iCNN articles. I thought it was awesome that Felicia Day tweeted that it was sad to watch us as members of our community tried to save the game. Look, I know you just want to somehow magically save COH. And I can see that lots of people still think that our game can be preserved. But it can't be, and that's just the truth of the matter. Best practical case scenario, TonyV and his team copy over enough data to make a private server. There will be no professional dev's. There will be no real progress. It will probably be copyright infringement that can be shut down at any time. Do you really want to invest time or money into something illegal? It won't be above board at all. |
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Haha, I don't want people to 'rally' behind me.
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The statement was still factually incorrect. And you really aren't one to call out attitudes.(to thb, not cap)
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
This is some of the worst, most toxic garbage I've read by a single forum poster in my three years here. No one is ignoring you (well, now I'm sure some will be). There are a LOT of people trying to help get one important message across right now. The point isn't to be specially recognized for your voice, it's to add your voice to a chorus.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
The statement was still factually incorrect. And you really aren't one to call out attitudes.(to thb, not cap)
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
lol, wut? It's factually incorrect that COH is closing and Champions Online isn't? Please... Tell me more.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
it is factually incorrect that Co was doing better financially because co was picked up by pwi . CO got lucky, coh has not..yet.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
What was 'toxic' about anything I said? I would sincerely and legitimately like your input.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Every COH player has seen those incessant, futile and well intentioned threads by now. Jeez.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I should be ostracized now, for being a realist?
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
But I'm not going to tell you to screw off. We need you beside us right now. Badly, desperately. Not because the weather's fine, not because we know what the odds are (besides knowing they've been stacked against us from the beginning, anyway), but because it's hopeless and terrible. The best communities pull through dark hours together or fail trying--together.
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
Sure, here.
Actually, no. Listen. |
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
But I'm not going to tell you to screw off. We need you beside us right now. Badly, desperately. Not because the weather's fine, not because we know what the odds are (besides knowing they've been stacked against us from the beginning, anyway), but because it's hopeless and terrible. The best communities pull through dark hours together or fail trying--together.
We can finish this conversation tomorrow, after you've had time to sleep on this and let your anger (or whatever it is you're feeling) subside. I can't get entangled in forum arguments and then turn around and say I take the SaveCoH effort seriously. This is a time-sensitive effort. |
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
But I'm not going to tell you to screw off. We need you beside us right now. Badly, desperately. Not because the weather's fine, not because we know what the odds are (besides knowing they've been stacked against us from the beginning, anyway), but because it's hopeless and terrible. The best communities pull through dark hours together or fail trying--together.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
So.. Negotiations are in process. With a company that laid off its dev staff already, that was working on an 8 year old game that made up, what, 3% of its profit? But it's ok, because some science fiction authors I've never heard of are sympathetic?
And so, because of that, we should be assuming that our dev's will be magically re-hired, after the company that swatted them away like flies, who has a long history of killing MMO's, will somehow magically enter negotiations to sell an MMO that is worth essentially nothing to them... And most importantly, that we as a community should just assume, that by some miracle, another company will choose to buy an MMO, and then pinpoint every single member of its staff... And that this entire elaborate process will happen before any of them get sub-par jobs elsewhere? Really? This is the plan? |
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
I never said CO was doing financially better before COH was cancelled. I don't know if they're doing financially better. Before you accuse me of being 'factually incorrect,' you might start by checking what I've said. I said CO is doing better. Whether they're more profitable or not is immaterial- Their existence isn't being negated. Nothing makes a profit when it doesn't exist, and I'm pretty sure that whatever CO is making after Nov. 30th will be more than what COH is making after Nov. 30th. And even from now until then, since all payments on COH have been suspended. How much do you think COH is making now, when it won't even let me buy stuff or pay my sub fee...? Existing and continuing service is a pretty significant advantage.
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As much as I love arguing with some of you (none of whom are posting in this thread) did you really have to do this here?
Now this whole thread is about whether or not a rogue group making up about 20% of the active forum population which makes up about 10% of the in game population which makes up about 3% of NCSoft's profits can somehow save COH after all of its staff has been fired and has begun proactively seeking work elsewhere.
This wasn't really the point.
You come in with your attitude and wonder why you dont get good responses? You could be offering free 20 dollar bills, but with your attitude, who would bother with you? back up the 20% and 10% numbers please, thanks
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
You come in with your attitude and wonder why you dont get good responses? You could be offering free 20 dollar bills, but with your attitude, who would bother with you? back up the 20% and 10% numbers please, thanks
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"TwoHeadedBoy", if you want to talk, let's talk. If you want to help, then help.
But if you want to call this fight a lost cause, if you want to waste our time putting our effort down, then, well, you should actually probably just stop. You're wasting your time.
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Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
"TwoHeadedBoy", if you want to talk, let's talk. If you want to help, then help.
But if you want to call this fight a lost cause, if you want to waste our time putting our effort down, then, well, you should actually probably just stop. You're wasting your time. |
I'll stick with Golden Girl, but good luck with your thread.
That added incentive is looking increasingly satisfactory...
I thought everyone is entitled to their opinion.
In situations like this, some people may be viewed as over optimistic and believing in a miracle by some. While some people may be viewed as...not sure of proper word...but wrong when they state they not as enthused or believe as much as said miracle happening.
It shouldn’t have to be an "us vs. them". Or "I’m right and you're wrong" situation.
There has been a lot of jumping on someone case for someone even just merely mentioning that COH just might not make it beyond Nov 30th. The sad parts that I think some people may not realize is that COH MIGHT not make it beyond Nov 30th. At the same time, it might just make it after Nov 30th. And stating sides, whether it's based on optimistic hope, or "realistic" "it is not being saved", neither one is toxic. It's not like NCSoft did not say they was planning on ending this game and Paragon studio so I think, realistically, they may stick to their word with the possibility that this may the last we see COX once Nov 30 rolls around. There is nothing toxic about stating what NCSoft posted, said, and might and or likely to happen or not likely to happen. It's just a different view and a different way of looking at the situation.
Insulting a game that a player may or may not end up running to in the end, is not a very good look especially when they been very welcoming to people who is looking for a super hero MMO game to play. For all the crap some of these players here talk about CO, and some of those same crap talkers about already transferred over to the same game that just a few months ago they was downing worse than a mangy dog, is not a good look. The CO community could have just sat back and laughed and said good riddance as a whole, but they didn’t. I hope some of these truly toxic attitudes do not transfer over to CO or any other game and poison their well.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard.  Never change, E_L! |
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Now this whole thread is about whether or not a rogue group making up about 20% of the active forum population which makes up about 10% of the in game population which makes up about 3% of NCSoft's profits can somehow save COH after all of its staff has been fired and has begun proactively seeking work elsewhere.
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