Live Action Marvel TV series?
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Posted on: 2012-08-28 20:36 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I sort of think Dollhouse might have been doomed to failure from the beginning not because Whedon willingly made it a "bad" show but because he was too restricted by the network he was on. I'm not sure he really had a choice between making his show on "family friendly" Fox or "adult content" HBO - sometimes you have to work with what you get stuck with.
As you might remember Dollhouse suffered from "creative differences" from Fox from the very beginning over the controversy about whether or not the whole premise was that of having "brainwashed hookers" play out clients' twisted fantasies. Obviously the show evolved beyond that initial concept, but Fox was too nervous to understand where it was going. It was basically clear that what Whedon wanted to do (a high concept adult oriented sci-fi show) was really never going to fly on Fox. So yes I still think Dollhouse's failure was mostly Fox's fault, even if you account for the idea that Dollhouse probably never should have been attempted on Fox in the first place. |
Still comes down to the writers not being able to adjust.
Whedon gave the premise. Fox gave the guidelines. Writers failed.
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Hell, they can lift any number of the scenes from Bendis' work and use those for entire episodes. But it's a great opportunity to flesh out the marvel universe by bringing up AIM, Jessica Walters, S.T.R.I.K.E. (the UK equivalent), Alpha Flight, etc.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
I'm guessing this show is going to end up being like "a day in the life of a random but lovable group of young S.H.I.E.L.D agents" who normally work behind the scenes but never directly get to see the "actual" heroes like Thor, Iron Man, etc. I'm sure they will themselves be pseudo-superhuman and may even have some low level super-powers and/or Jedi-like mind tricks.
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If you've seen the short movies on the discs, you can get a sense of how cool a SHIELD show can be. Especially the Marvel One-Shot "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer." It even has a cool little touch that Coulson gasses up at a Roxxon station. I think "Item 47" is probably the one that made ABC give the go-ahead for the pilot.
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I still contend that the "revision" of the show that Fox dictated doomed the entire endeavor to failure. I'll meet you halfway by saying that Whedon was probably foolish/stubborn in thinking that he could shoehorn his idea into the restrictive sandbox Fox offered.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Still comes down to the writers not being able to adjust.
Whedon gave the premise. Fox gave the guidelines. Writers failed. |
Basically I think the premise of Dollhouse could have only worked in a R-rated setting, or at least a setting that would have allowed it more "adult content" latitude. The Fox-ified show we got was indeed awkward and lackluster because of the repressed nature of it.
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Keep in mind it was designed specifically as a Dushku vehicle to provide her a contractually obligated series for Fox. There was never really another option.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
I sort of think Dollhouse might have been doomed to failure from the beginning not because Whedon willingly made it a "bad" show but because he was too restricted by the network he was on. I'm not sure he really had a choice between making his show on "family friendly" Fox or "adult content" HBO - sometimes you have to work with what you get stuck with.
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And, on topic, I am enthused about the possiblities of the SHIELD show.
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Yeah as I said the choice/decision to work with Fox on that show was probably not completely up to Whedon regardless.|
Originally Posted by Chyll
Keep in mind it was designed specifically as a Dushku vehicle to provide her a contractually obligated series for Fox. There was never really another option.
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Hollywood works in mysterious ways...
The idea of Dollhouse done as a HBO/Showtime show was just one of those "What if?" scenarios that's fun to consider.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
And, on topic, I am enthused about the possiblities of the SHIELD show.
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That it does. I picked on your quote, but it was intended more as a general comment for the broader discussion that may not know the genesis of the show.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Yeah as I said the choice/decision to work with Fox on that show was probably not completely up to Whedon regardless.
Hollywood works in mysterious ways... |
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Originally Posted by Lothic
The idea of Dollhouse done as a HBO/Showtime show was just one of those "What if?" scenarios that's fun to consider.
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Very likely. But network TV as a rule, has far more limits on it to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I still contend that the "revision" of the show that Fox dictated doomed the entire endeavor to failure. I'll meet you halfway by saying that Whedon was probably foolish/stubborn in thinking that he could shoehorn his idea into the restrictive sandbox Fox offered.
Basically I think the premise of Dollhouse could have only worked in a R-rated setting, or at least a setting that would have allowed it more "adult content" latitude. The Fox-ified show we got was indeed awkward and lackluster because of the repressed nature of it. |
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I'm hoping this will be good, and that the network doesn't interfere too heavily in it. Just glad to see someone taking a shot at something. Hopefully the Powers pilot doesn't suck, and they'll give that one a green light too.
For my money, the best comic books premise to turn into a TV series would be Rucka & Brubaker's Gotham Central series. That would just KILL as a TV series.
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HA! Fat lot of good that'll do!
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On a related note, the campaign to save it from being cancelled has already started!!
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Still comes down to the writers not being able to adjust.
Whedon gave the premise. Fox gave the guidelines. Writers failed. |
And "contract" is no excuse. Everyone knows what kind of shows Fox does, so if you don't want to do that you shouldn't sign the contract in the first place.
But we know Whedon can do sharp dialogue. Even a lowbrow show can be good if the script is sharp enough.
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Honestly I think it will be on for a while even if ratings are bad. I'm betting they are planning on using this as a sounding board for characters to use in future movies. If an episode proves to be popular and people are talking about a certain guest hero then Marvel will either give that hero their own movie or stick them in as a guest star in another.
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I'm expecting it to be used as an opportunity to showcase some of Marvel's B-list villains. The guys who are dangerous, but not dangerous enough to require a superhero response. |
Originally Posted by Mandu
Honestly I think it will be on for a while even if ratings are bad. I'm betting they are planning on using this as a sounding board for characters to use in future movies. If an episode proves to be popular and people are talking about a certain guest hero then Marvel will either give that hero their own movie or stick them in as a guest star in another.
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We'll probably see some appearances from B-list heroes as well. I would not be at all surprised if Samuel L. Jackson makes frequent guest appearances as well.
Iron Man and the Hulk would be the easiest big names to have show up. You can put anyone in Iron Man's armor and get Robert Downey Jr. to do the voice from his house. And the Hulk is all CGI anyway.
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Am curious to see if perhaps they are looking to have Maria Hill as the one in charge for the TV show. This could be done with or without Fury still leading Shield.
Also am curious if they will actually tackle supers head on or if it'll all be background. I'd definitely prefer some super presence but I could also see the show tackline more "ordinary" problems like AIM or Hydra or such...
Whatever the case, I am eager to check it out.
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It's quite a sane concept. There have been quite a few attempts at super-oriented shows on TV of late - rather annoyed about the demise of No Ordinary Family. SHIELD can sidestep continuity and budgetary problems by setting it around agents and criminals - making it more of an X-Files/MiB affair, with guest shots from the odd super (still hoping for Felicia as Squirrel Girl or Fillion as Starfox. Or even Captain Hammer).
Would be interesting (if expensive) to have guest shots from some of the movie stars too: RDJ'd probably do it for free.
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Or you could not try and sell a concept that won't work on Network TV to Network TV.
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