WP Vs BIO ? Trying to decide


Anilo

 

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Ok I just came back this last month so I am slow catching up on all the changes after being gone over a year.


I was not able to test BIO read quite a bit have the rough numbers and stuff from Mids. I want to pair up DM with either WP or BIO (replacing my dm/da and dm/sr I made way back in the pre IO days).

They both have taunt auras which is a must for me now days.


Things that are similar
Layered approach
S/L Resistance
Regen
Non crashing T9's
Endurance Management is easy
PSI is not a hole

WP Pluses
Steady Regen #'s set and forget
Skip able powers in Resurg and SOW(not that I would skip SOW)
Defense debuff resistance (not that it helps much being so small)
-tohit

Cons
Big Burst damage hurts
No heal
Taunt aura is weak compared to most


Bio
Regen can hit numbers similar or more than WP
Self Heal
Damage Aura
Flexibility in switching between more survival vs more damage etc
-regen (hey helps on those pesky AV's)

Cons
Take all powers and can needs lots of slots
Clicky set almost a cross between regen & DA
-tohit can really hurt
No defensive debuff resistance


Am I missing anything and what was people impression in Beta of BIO

Thank You


Pinnacle
Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA

 

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Bio > WP. It has a better taunt aura and strengths are stronger...though it has holes in some forms, defensive is there for that though.


Currently Playing:
Rage King - SS/Regen Brute (50+3)
Soulfire Darkness - Dark/Fire Tank (50+2)
Deaths Final Embrace - Kat/Dark Brute (50+3)
ULTIMATE REGEN GUIDE I22

 

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I am biased against WP, as some of you might know

So imo, just about every set is better that WP except maybe FA.



Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.

 

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I actually quite like WP, but I have a hard time seeing the point of pairing DM with it.


 

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Bio changes how your character look as much as stone armor. If that is not a problem than I say bio I olny played with it in a couple of DfB and i have a db/wp 50 i would gladly reroll my 50 when bio comes out if I didn't haver enough extra character slots.


 

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Originally Posted by Kangstor View Post
Bio changes how your character look as much as stone armor. If that is not a problem than I say bio I olny played with it in a couple of DfB and i have a db/wp 50 i would gladly reroll my 50 when bio comes out if I didn't haver enough extra character slots.
They've already said there is a 'minimal Fx' option for Bio Armor, so it shouldn't be a problem.


Paragon Studios, thanks for all you've done. You've made this a great game, and a great community. I see this as six years well-spent. NCSoft, I'm seriously disappointed in you. This is not how you get or keep customers.

 

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Originally Posted by Kangstor View Post
Bio changes how your character look as much as stone armor.
That's something of an exaggeration, since you can turn off the armor bits from the toggles, but it definitely is more visually distinctive than WP.


 

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Originally Posted by _Pine_ View Post
I am biased against WP, as some of you might know

So imo, just about every set is better that WP except maybe FA.
What makes you dislike WP so much?


 

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I dislike WP because it has no reactive mitigation...WP is on a slope constantly and you are either going up, standing still, or going down, and the player cannot really influence it in any meaningful way. So you can watch yourself die and do nothing when cascading failure sets in.

I like to have more control than that.


Currently Playing:
Rage King - SS/Regen Brute (50+3)
Soulfire Darkness - Dark/Fire Tank (50+2)
Deaths Final Embrace - Kat/Dark Brute (50+3)
ULTIMATE REGEN GUIDE I22

 

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Originally Posted by planet_J View Post
I dislike WP because it has no reactive mitigation...WP is on a slope constantly and you are either going up, standing still, or going down, and the player cannot really influence it in any meaningful way. So you can watch yourself die and do nothing when cascading failure sets in.

I like to have more control than that.
Could always click an inspiration and not watch yourself die. Just saying.


 

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Willpower still has access to inspirations, Archmage, Destiny, Hybrid, Wedding Band, and any other out-of-set panic buttons you care to name, but so does any other set, so it's still true that WP has less ability to react to bad situations than most sets. Now that Resurgence isn't unusably terrible, it does have decent capabillity to recover from them, though.

IMX, it would be silly to claim that Willpower underperforms overall in any meaningful sense, but I can see why some might simply dislike that aspect of it.


 

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Originally Posted by Pureshadow2 View Post
Could always click an inspiration and not watch yourself die. Just saying.
As hopeling said...any set has access to those...why wouldn't I play a set with more tools...like Dark Armor with insane composite resists, lots of psi mitigation, soft control and a taunt/damage aura, plus Dark Regen; or Regen with 4 different tools to mitigate incoming damage/debuffs plus a stronger taunt aura and inherent status protection....I could go on and on about other sets that have more tools.

The point I am making is...anything WP can use to regain control when something goes south...any other set can use too. Other sets have tools that WP doesn't have, that doesn't make WP broken, it's just...average...really. Not exceptional...and not terrible...no reactive mitigation, and no *GLARING* holes. It does have holes though, they are just not gaping ones.


Currently Playing:
Rage King - SS/Regen Brute (50+3)
Soulfire Darkness - Dark/Fire Tank (50+2)
Deaths Final Embrace - Kat/Dark Brute (50+3)
ULTIMATE REGEN GUIDE I22

 

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the OP has pretty much fair comparison,
But I will add
WP is a great set if your not too fond of clicky powers, is a fairly solid set, and does allow some flexibility. There are other live sets that may outperform WP in specific instances, but by the same token, its not bad in a specific instances either, over all a very solid set, basically its the work horse set of defensive sets

BIO
for one thing, I don't believe its live yet, but as mentioned, while it can offer more than WP, if you want it, it can be a slot monster, and does pretty much require you to take everything to get that full potential, and does have clicky powers if your less inclined to clicky powers


 

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Originally Posted by Tocharon View Post
the OP has pretty much fair comparison,
But I will add
WP is a great set if your not too fond of clicky powers, is a fairly solid set, and does allow some flexibility. There are other live sets that may outperform WP in specific instances, but by the same token, its not bad in a specific instances either, over all a very solid set, basically its the work horse set of defensive sets

BIO
for one thing, I don't believe its live yet, but as mentioned, while it can offer more than WP, if you want it, it can be a slot monster, and does pretty much require you to take everything to get that full potential, and does have clicky powers if your less inclined to clicky powers
This is why I like Willpower. On one hand taking all of the available powers--which you should--can be boring, as WP powers are passive in nature, once you've got them, got them slotted, and turned them on, you pretty much don't need to worry about your defenses actively again.

Of course, you need to keep an eye on your Endurance, especially around level 14 or so. It gets better later, but early on having 3-4 WP toggles engaged can eat it up in a prolonged fight.