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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
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I just saw Ghost Rider 2, I wasn't able to see it in the cinema. I expected it to be kinda good but it was just so amazingly bad. The writing was insanely bad, the fx were good, the gags were good, the twinkey bit was real bad, the good wine being bad was good. Nicolas Cage was his usual badness, Christopher Lambert was good, in fact the whole cast was bad, the music and sound was insanely bad, the end was good. But now the Rider is burning blue for good, is that bad? |
Blue flame: this occurred at the end of the 90's GR series when Dan Ketch was the Rider. This Rider attained his full power and went blue flame as a sign that he was now the Angel of Death and destroyed Blackheart, the son of Mephisto. After that his flame reverted to normal coloration and he became the new king of the realm until Mephisto returned and removed him. Years later in the next main GR series where Blaze was GR, Dan Ketch returned and stole the powers of all the other riders of Earth, went blue again and brought down the gates of heaven (long story and a bad one). This was also the series that revealed that all Ghost Rider's are agents of heaven sent to bring punishment to the wicked and that Blaze was first made a Rider to save him from the devil. (again, long and bad story).
So this second Rider gives us a broken and depressed Blaze that we've had in the comics before and he is barely able to control the Rider. This harkens back to the later issues of the 70's GR series where Blaze was a nervous wreck and had trouble keeping the Rider controlled. We see in this movie that there are times where the Rider is attempting to force the transformation and Blaze is fighting it just like in the later issues of the 70's GR series.
The plot point of the devil living on Earth in human bodies and jumping bodies as needed comes from the series where Blaze learned the Rider is a force form heaven. In that story Blaze had to defeat all 666 avatars of the devil knowing that each gets stronger as another is beaten and at the end he has to send the devil back home......just like he did in the second movie.
The kid in the movie, Dan, was likely named after Dan Ketch from the 90's series and his mother was patterned after what little we knew if Dan's mother from the 90's series.
The villain Blackout from the 90's comics is what that guy became after the devil empowered him after the Rider left him for dead. The only change was that in the comics he was a blood drinking vampire, in the movie he caused people and things to decay with his touch.
EDIT: the origin of Zarathos that we got in this movie is an amalgam of what we learned in the 70's Rider series along with the revelations of the GR series where we learn that the Riders are agents of heaven.
So, props to the writers/producers for their Rider research but that is about all I can say that is good about this movie, along with the FX.
The entire cast did a below average performance and while Cage's usual nervous trainwreck behavior actually fits the John Blaze character he was still bad with his performance.
This second movie even though they didn't call it a reboot pretty much ignored the first movie and that is too bad as the first movie wasn't as bad as some seem to think, main problems with the first was Cage's performance and that they made the fights more like Spiderman fights and not GR fights. Also I enjoyed the movie version of Carter Slade, very well done and was a nice nod to the 60's Ghost Rider. The Rider is not a character for all ages, his movies should be rated R by default and should have all the action, intensity that an R rating entails along with better plots and far better acting.
IF they decide to risk a third movie, either ignore the second and make the third a sequel to the first, or else bring in Dan Ketch as the new Ghost Rider and start over.
You saw a Nicholas Cage movie and expected it to be good... shame on you. Just be glad you didn't pay box office price to see it...
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The first Ghost Rider movie was done by Marvel, the 2nd one was done by Marvel Knights. Anything done by the Marvel Knights is awful.
Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!
I too recently seen the 2nd movie. It makes the first movie seem like Hamlet.
When did Hollywood start to select production teams based on low bidder?
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When it started costing a hundred million dollars to make a movie?
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When they're not sure of how much of a profit they can make.
You have Jerry Bruckheimer (sp?) and Johnny Depp who delivered them big money making movies, and the same studio still wouldn't trust them with a big budget for Lone Ranger, and they had three movies show they could (but then they could be due for a flop!)
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Ah yeah that was when I read some of the comics and I guess that's why I liked the movie so much. Unfortunately now he's at peace which is lame.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
So this second Rider gives us a broken and depressed Blaze that we've had in the comics before and he is barely able to control the Rider. This harkens back to the later issues of the 70's GR series where Blaze was a nervous wreck and had trouble keeping the Rider controlled. We see in this movie that there are times where the Rider is attempting to force the transformation and Blaze is fighting it just like in the later issues of the 70's GR series.
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The latest GR comic had Blaze "Give up the ghost" as it were and he was essentially tricked into relinquishing the power of the Ghost Rider. However the new Rider was unstable and too naive to put it nicely and in the end Blaze realized that the Rider is indeed a heavenly force of vengeance and not a curse and reclaimed the Rider. So in the comics he's more at peace with his situation and probably more attuned to his Rider then before. So of course in this lame movie sequel he gets a similar ending. |
Originally Posted by _Klaw_
Ah yeah that was when I read some of the comics and I guess that's why I liked the movie so much. Unfortunately now he's at peace which is lame.
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Now if they would just stop screwing around with Blaze and focus on Dan Ketch who is also still a Rider....
Also forgot to mention that in the Marvel comics, Carter Slade was the first of the Marvel GR's until he was killed and his brother Lincoln Slade took over as the Rider. In the 70's GR series Blaze traveled back in time and met Carter Slade whom they renamed Night Rider (which would later be a bad choice of names) and they teamed up. Six issues later, Hamilton Slade was possessed by the combined spirits of Carter and Lincoln and became the new Rider and rode off to save Blaze. Making Carter Slade the Caretaker in the first movie was a nice nod to the 90's Rider comic, and making it where he was staying on Earth for redemption and to assist Blaze was a nod to the 70's GR comic. Making him a Rider created by Mephisto in the movie was a major change from the comics but it was a good one.
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I just saw Ghost Rider 2, I wasn't able to see it in the cinema. I expected it to be kinda good but it was just so amazingly bad. The writing was insanely bad, the fx were good, the gags were good, the twinkey bit was real bad, the good wine being bad was good. Nicolas Cage was his usual badness, Christopher Lambert was good, in fact the whole cast was bad, the music and sound was insanely bad, the end was good. But now the Rider is burning blue for good, is that bad?