If they don't have the invention system unlocked, they won't be able to use anything but SOs.
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One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
Yes Attuned IOs (including Overwhelming Force and the ATEs) can be used by free players. As can Hamidon Enhancements.
Yeah attuned IOs are for freemies. In overwhelming force's case, it's because it's being offered through the summer event. For ATOs, freemies can purchase super packs. (Or if they happen to have Reward Merits unlocked and can buy them in-game).
Basically anything that's not invented is good:
TO's, DO's, SO's of course
Hami O's
ATO's
Attuned Enhancements such as Overpowering Force
Attuned Enhancements that are store-bought... all of them
Any and all of the above will work without a paid account or an invention license.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
If they don't have the invention system unlocked, they won't be able to use anything but SOs.
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Bzzzzzt.
Or as Dr. Cox would put it.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
You're wrong.
You're wrong.
You're wrong.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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ATEs and the OF aren't IOs - they're not inventions. So far there are no actual attuned IOs.|
Originally Posted by Agent White
Yeah attuned IOs are for freemies. In overwhelming force's case, it's because it's being offered through the summer event. For ATOs, freemies can purchase super packs. (Or if they happen to have Reward Merits unlocked and can buy them in-game).
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If it's not an Crafted enhancement (so event, store bought, or merit bought) you can use it as a free player.
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Thanks for the replies everyone! I'm revising the build to include Ov Force and ATE 
Note, though, that getting Overwhelming Force and ATO enhancements will be difficult without auction house access. If you're planning to give them to him, of course, this isn't an issue.
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
ATEs and the OF aren't IOs - they're not inventions. So far there are no actual attuned IOs.
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The devs are misnaming it - it's an attuned enhancement set. It's not an invention because free players cannot use inventions - but they can use attuned enhancements, which is what Overwhelming Force is.
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Bzzzzzt.
Or as Dr. Cox would put it. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. |
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say . . . could you be more precise?
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They follow all the normal rules of Invention Origin enhancements, except they scale with level. |
Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The devs are misnaming it - it's an attuned enhancement set. It's not an invention because free players cannot use inventions - but they can use attuned enhancements, which is what Overwhelming Force is.
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They're still inventions. You're just not the one inventing them. And the devs invent things better than we do.
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Do they follow the rule of being unusable without invention access, though? If they're not created through the invention system, and can be used even on accounts that can't use inventions, it seems reasonable to say they aren't inventions, or at least are not like any other inventions, regardless of what the reward window text says.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
They follow all the normal rules of Invention Origin enhancements, except they scale with level.
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They do if you buy them from the Store.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Do they follow the rule of being usable without invention access, though? If they're not created through the invention system, and can be used even on accounts that can't use inventions, it seems reasonable to say they aren't inventions, or at least are not like any other inventions, regardless of what the reward window text says.
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My apologies, I omitted an "un-" which reverses the meaning of the question >.<
I'm not sure what your response is supposed to mean, though, since neither ATOs nor Overwhelming Force can be purchased from the Paragon Market.
No but normal invention enhancements -can- be and they're attuned enhancements exactly like ATOs (which CAN be purchased at random via superpack) and overwhelming force.
All of them (Market bought IOs, ATOs, OF) are invention enhancements as far as the game is concerned, except they're attuned. And if it's attuned, it's usable by freemies.
Most discussions I've seen on the subject tend to agree that enhancements purchased from the market are also not IOs, because again, they are not created via the invention system and are usable without an invention license.
Saying they're IOs tends to be more confusing/misleading than saying they aren't, IMO. The problem is that they share several important traits with IOs - set bonuses, multi-aspect enhancements, and the sets from the Paragon Market are the same sets that you can craft of course. But they also DON'T share several other important traits with IOs - they're not crafted, they don't require invention access to use. So it's easy to go either way, but I think "they are not IOs, although they bear many similarities" is easier/clearer to explain than "they are IOs, but they are different than everything we call IOs".
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One might argue that as the developers they probably are the ones who get to decide what it is called, I mean it is their game and all.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The devs are misnaming it - it's an attuned enhancement set. It's not an invention because free players cannot use inventions - but they can use attuned enhancements, which is what Overwhelming Force is.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
Most discussions I've seen on the subject tend to agree that enhancements purchased from the market are also not IOs, because again, they are not created via the invention system and are usable without an invention license.
Saying they're IOs tends to be more confusing/misleading than saying they aren't, IMO. The problem is that they share several important traits with IOs - set bonuses, multi-aspect enhancements, and the sets from the Paragon Market are the same sets that you can craft of course. But they also DON'T share several other important traits with IOs - they're not crafted, they don't require invention access to use. So it's easy to go either way, but I think "they are not IOs, although they bear many similarities" is easier/clearer to explain than "they are IOs, but they are different than everything we call IOs". |
That's all you need to tell anyone. if it's attuned, you can use it. That's all. No need to worry about anything else. No other detail is important.
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Not exactly sure what you are trying to say . . . could you be more precise?
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If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
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Then they are Store Bought Enhancements, not IOs >.>|
Originally Posted by Agent White
They do if you buy them from the Store.
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One might argue that as the developers they probably are the ones who get to decide what it is called, I mean it is their game and all.
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I know from personal experience on my second account that a freebie can use both ATIO's and Overwhelming Force.
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Personally I see it as evolution of the language used to describe game features.|
Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
And while I love them in a non-stalkerish way (except for the stalker changes, yum), it wouldn't be the first time they ended up putting something wrong in the the description of a power or ability.
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To make an analogy consider the word "they". This is technically the third-person plural but it's becoming more and more common to use it as a non-gender specific third-person singular. Now there are plenty of people on either side of the debate regarding whether this is acceptable or not but I see it used more and more in casual conversation and personally suspect that it will be made "official" within my lifetime. It's evolution of the language, changing social mores make the use of "he" as a non-gender specific third-person singular socially unacceptable and newly minted terms like "sie", "(s)he" and so on sound clunky to a lot of people whereas re-purposing "they" feels relatively natural.
In the same way I think that the in-game language has evolved and the term "IO" has basically come to mean "set enhancement". Reading the forums you very rarely see the teem "Set IO" used while the term "Common IO" is a lot more common. People talk about "IO'ing" a character or designing an "IO'd build" with the understanding that they are talking about slotting a character specifically with primarily Set Enhancements (either actual IOs or Attuned Sets possibly backed up with HOs or few Commons). Now there are people who slot entirely using SBEs but I'm sure that if you asked them if they had an "IO'd build" they would say yes.
So while I acknowledge that SBEs and ATEs are not "IOs" in the technical sense I do think that they are "IOs" in the way that player terminology describes the game.
While making a so build for my f2p friend's corr, I wonder if it is possible for a f2p to slot ov force and the corr atio. Anyone know? Thx in advance!