The throw down pvp tournament
I noticed you said 12 week league based on 6 teams. I just want to point out that long, drawn out leagues tend to be a bad experience. People get burnt out and the experience gets soured. 12 weeks is a long time to be committed to something like this.
I would try to limit it to 6 weeks or something around there. If this means we need to do multiple matches a weekend or something, then you can figure it out once schedules are more well known (and an expanded roster cap would probably help people be more flexible for this specifically).
But yeah, a slightly bigger roster cap is probably a good idea, I just mostly wanted to point out that little detail. Long leagues tend to be bad just because of the natural tendency for people to get bored or burnt out, or otherwise lose interest. Also gives a much larger window of time for various RL issues to become a problem. That is all fairly obvious of course, but in any event. Try and keep them as short as possible.
@TheKatalyst
My **** is bleeding.
I agree with Katalyst with reducing the length of the league. I know for a fact I won't be here for 12 weeks due to moving out and starting university sometime in october.
Secondly I think the original post needs to be a bit clearer on when the league starts as i've heard two dates now second and ninth of september. You should probably also make an official rules list on banned powers etc (perhaps just copy and paste from Kats old league with a few adjustments) this way there will be no confusion on what is and isn't allowed, also easier to get rules during practices under way.
Another thing is rules on trading players across teams. I also disagree with the rule regarding internal ringing. All globals listed under roster should be allowed to play whenever as long as members of the team are playing the accounts, no one here is stupid enough to believe that internal account sharing isn't going to happen so just drop that rule and let first and second accounts be played at the same time.
Lastly I would deff increase the roster cap to at least 9 if not 10, in previous leagues theres been times where a 16+ roster couldn't even field 8 during match nights, just because this is a 5v5 league doesn't mean there wont be no shows at the same quantity and frequency as 8v8 leagues.
I vote more for more flexibility....9 or 10?
I would try to limit it to 6 weeks or something around there. If this means we need to do multiple matches a weekend or something, then you can figure it out once schedules are more well known (and an expanded roster cap would probably help people be more flexible for this specifically). |
Another thing is rules on trading players across teams. I also disagree with the rule regarding internal ringing. All globals listed under roster should be allowed to play whenever as long as members of the team are playing the accounts, no one here is stupid enough to believe that internal account sharing isn't going to happen so just drop that rule and let first and second accounts be played at the same time. |
For trading, there should definitely be a time limit for roster changes (last two or three weeks before playoffs) and no one should be traded without their knowledge/assent/consent, to avoid friction and stuff. If there are rules for trading you might want to make sure people can/can't play so a disbanding team doesn't just grab EVERYONE on another roster before a playoff game or something...not that this would ever happen.
P.S. Also thought that this started Sunday of next week...so yeah, let's get a date written in stone please.
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How is this a factor to wether or not the rule should be lifted? No one cares if you're not giving your account info to people. Its a fact that many rosters will be account sharing and its pretty stupid to say you can't have more than one global active in a match if its people on your roster playing it. It makes no sense and its annoying for my team especially when we each have more than one account listed and will be needing to use some at the same time.
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I mean, you can keep it in there if you want, but I don't think it's going to make a difference. I had it in my league, and I don't think we ever actually worried about it to be completely honest. There were times where we knew it was happening, but didn't bother to mess with it regardless. Too much of a hassle. Personally, it doesn't bother me. I just want to play with my team, that's really all I care about. What everybody else does within their own ranks is their business.
Sorry, I'm not trying to run the show or anything like that, just trying to add my opinion where it may be relevant.
@TheKatalyst
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Also, you definitely need to clean up the rules if you can Evo. It looks like some of that stuff is outdated/changed as well. Figure out a cleaner way to format things.
@TheKatalyst
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Im fine with having a roster of 10,
also is it safe to say that this league wont even start up til middle of sept with all this debating of rules and such still going?
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I do agree that the rules on bansies, roster size, and everything else needs to be put into place and minds made up before September 2nd if that date still stands. I would be fine with a later start date so that our team can actually get a few 'lol'practices in and so that 'you' people can make up y'alls table flippin' minds.
@Sepultura
'You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.'
Im fine with having a roster of 10,
also is it safe to say that this league wont even start up til middle of sept with all this debating of rules and such still going? |
I'm guessing at best we have a few matches Sunday of next week, but more likely it starts after Labor Day and ends mid-late October.
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Well there is one week and a half for PIP3R to get a finalized ban list, roster size, trading rules, league play rules (map selections, 3 matches or best out of 3), match dates and prizes (if any) as well as playoff format.
I'm guessing at best we have a few matches Sunday of next week, but more likely it starts after Labor Day and ends mid-late October. |
@Psycho Jas
I think officials should def start at the proposed start date of 2nd of september.
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We still need some sort of schedule and ranking scheme (points per win, draw, points for matches won) unless we are doing a round-robin of whoever shows up.
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10 points for griffendor..the rest is negotiable.
Hey guys here is a update on the older post to just give you a better view of where things are.
The setup:
This will be a 5v5 PvP League.
Travel suppression and heal decay will be turned off. Small inspirations only.
Incarnates:
ALPHA ONLY.
Power and AT limitations:
No TK.
Only 2 stalkers per lineup
Only 3 masterminds
No Steamjump/jump pack
Dark Control Set Holds
Arachnos ATO %100 Chance for Fear
Electric Control Set Holds
Roster setup:
Teams will be limited to a roster of 10 members. This will be the maximum size of slot alloted to teams for the roster posting.
Match times and ranking setup:
Officials will be held on Sundays @ 9 eastern. Teams must be in listed arena event 15 min after start time of their scheduled match. If that same team has still not showed up after 30min have elapsed from the time of the scheduled match then the absent team will be disqualified. If both teams agree to have the match a little later than normal schedule, that's fine. A Print Screen copy of the agreement from the two teams with approve this. Like everything else, this is also up for discussion (the official match times). If most people feel 10 pm eastern is better, that can be adjusted; but it's probably unlikely considering many people have to work Monday morning. Regular practices between teams can be worked out between each other. Our hope is that each team will battle each other two times during the regular season. So if we get seven teams then there will be fourteen weeks of regular season matches. If there are eight teams then sixteen weeks of regular season matches; pretty awesome!! Rankings will be simple. Each two out of the three Sunday night matches won, is one win. Teams with the most wins at the end of the season will get the playoff spots. Playoffs will consist of semi-finals and then the finals.
Match Dates:
Officials will be poushed back 1 week(meaning Sept 12) to allow some of our teams to return to the game from trips and work situations. this will also give you time to perfect your team into the way you wish to have it for the tourn. Practices are expected to be held weekly. we will also be meeting with the Team Leads to discuss any matters that need discussing and to give updates on Tourn matters so that they may relay that to there teammates.
Your Official Rosters are to be posted by the 5th to unsure a spot for your team in the bracket.
A posted Fight list for all teams will be posted by Sept 8th so that everyone can see who they will be fighting and when.
The Fight:
Each team will fight Twice. Each team will also select their own map pick. There will be no scoring system straight up wins and loses. if the teams Draw within those two matches they may choose to fight for a tiebreaker and seal the deal. Scoring will be in 0w-0l-0d for this reason.
The rewards for the winning team are TBA. Stay tuned for that one!(working hard on these)
If any other questions or concerns pop up, or if you feel we may have missed a power to ban or included that would make the tournment more fun, you know where to find us.
@Kalibash
of protector...
Weapons tight....
Can we ban barcode or same name teams?
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@Sepultura
'You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.'
Our hope is that each team will battle each other two times during the regular season. So if we get seven teams then there will be fourteen weeks of regular season matches. If there are eight teams then sixteen weeks of regular season matches; pretty awesome!! Rankings will be simple. Each two out of the three Sunday night matches won, is one win. Teams with the most wins at the end of the season will get the playoff spots. Playoffs will consist of semi-finals and then the finals.
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Becuz If it does last 14 weeks and Im reading this right then theres a pretty strong chance every1 in Exile will not do this league just becuz thats way too long.
Could some1 pls clarify if im wrong about whats quoted above tyvm!
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Wait wait, the rules seem all fine except one thing I read there, since there is 7 teams, is this league really going to last 14 weeks? I mean the last freedom league for 8v8s didn't even last 6 weeks ( the season it self was only 8 weeks long ) until most ppl quit out of boredom.
Becuz If it does last 14 weeks and Im reading this right then theres a pretty strong chance every1 in Exile will not do this league just becuz thats way too long. Could some1 pls clarify if im wrong about whats quoted above tyvm! |
Lastly theres no rule regarding internal ringing. As far as I understand any global listed under a roster can be active at any time during a match as long as its the people on the roster playing. Which is good as its how it was in the previous league (if it wasn't then jesus Katalyst turned one big ******* blind eye to every team doing it)
I understand you guys are just trying to milk the communities activeness for what its worth but 14 weeks is way beyond what people are going to be willing to stick around for, please re evaluate this.
@Psycho Jas
I pretty much agree 14 weeks is just a joke. Do double matches. theres also NO NEED to push back the start date to accommodate for 1 team, which happens to be Kalis team. Just because you're running the league doesn't mean you should be able to change everything to benefit team Jaded. You should play your first official either a day later or a few days before. At least let my team KG organise an official for the original set date of the 2nd of september. I've already asked Evo 100 times and he says he has to run it past you. I'm asking this because I know that we're gonna have troubles having even half our core show up throughout the middle of september. Besides 12th of september is not even a sunday so i'm not sure how you plan on starting officials then.
Lastly theres no rule regarding internal ringing. As far as I understand any global listed under a roster can be active at any time during a match as long as its the people on the roster playing. Which is good as its how it was in the previous league (if it wasn't then jesus Katalyst turned one big ******* blind eye to every team doing it) I understand you guys are just trying to milk the communities activeness for what its worth but 14 weeks is way beyond what people are going to be willing to stick around for, please re evaluate this. |
Let me clarify, I was looking at the wrong calender, the date that says the 12th is supposed to be the 9th of sept, which is a sunday. Also, Im am not trying to only seeing about assisting my own team since That wouldnt seem right at all. But what I do want is people who were unable or just didnt fight last season to get a chance to do so this season. If a whole team is going to be out then I think it is better to make sure they can attend. Of course this is my personal feeling. I have no issues with everyone else starting on the 2nd and we will just take a Bye that week. This only works when we find out how many team we will have because that is still in the water until the official signup date. that is when we make the brackets and everyone sees who they are matching up with. All the free agents will be either assigned to teams or they are welcome to form their own if no one has picked them up yet.
As far as the team size. you got 10 slots to play with, that should be more then enough to fill your team and stack whatever globals if you need to. If thats what your talking about.
@Kalibash
of protector...
Weapons tight....
I don't know where you go to get set up for this kind of thing, but I would love to join. Only thing is, is that I can't start sept 9th because hubbies b-day so that means no computer. I would love to join though and have two toon sin particular that have proven to be formidable opponents on my home server. (vitrue) as soon as we get league times and practices up, i'd love to join. i'm @watermuse . I don't mind being one of the back burner characters either. I love pvping but no one ever wants to pvp on virtue. I have transfers built up and spunk! I'm not trained heavily in pvp, but can maneuver well and have only lost 3 times out of 15.
disregard all the above. poste din wrong section. may the odds be ever in your favor sugahs
theres also NO NEED to push back the start date to accommodate for 1 team, which happens to be Kalis team.
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@PiP3R
I vote 10.