Darkness Control Posess and XP
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-06-15 15:28 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
As long as you do some damage to the enemy, you will get some of the xp when they are defeated. You will get less xp/enemy, but kill faster so you will get equivalent xp/min.
I recommend confusing everything possible.
It is my understanding that the charmed critter technically gets a share of the xp, the share is based on how much damage it inflicts.
You can test this easily by charming 2 equal level minions and letting one do a bit of damage. You still will get xp for the kill, just slightly less. You would only get no XP if the charmed enemy kills the his ally without you inflicting any damage.
Given that a charmed critter is not attacking me, and charm effects tend to last longer than holds (i think), charms don't tend to alert the enemy of your presence if multiple applications are required, I think it's darn fair game.
If a Confused target kills another enemy by itself, you'll get no XP. So when you confuse the boss in a spawn and he beats up his buddies, you'll get no XP if you just watch.
If a Confused target just gets the killing blow on an enemy that you dealt some damage to, though, you will get a share of the XP. It's worth noting that the share you get is NOT the fraction of the damage you dealt - if you do 1 damage and the Confused target does 499, you get half XP, not 1/500, and your share goes up the more you deal. Generally, the XP lost to Confused enemies is far, far outweighed by the additional firepower they add, even when considering only rate-of-XP-gained.
What Hopeling said. Now if they allowed for possessed enemies to follow you around like pets...
The wiki has the details on XP sharing for confusion;
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Confus...atus_Effect%29
This is not what I understand is happening. I am getting this secondand, I dont have the Dark Controller, my SGmate does, and he says that he is able to get xp from standing around and watching the confused kill his mates. If this is so, then I want to go make me a Dark troller. I was just checking before I do.
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If all he is doing is casting Possess then then he should not be getting any XP. However if he is using any other power that deal damage (including Haunt and Umbra Beast) then he would get XP.|
Originally Posted by ColonelKomphort
This is not what I understand is happening. I am getting this secondand, I dont have the Dark Controller, my SGmate does, and he says that he is able to get xp from standing around and watching the confused kill his mates. If this is so, then I want to go make me a Dark troller. I was just checking before I do.
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Now if he actually is getting XP using only Possess then it is possible that there is a bug of some sort but I'd be surprised.
Took my Dark/Psi out for a moment. Found a nice group of 5th Column. Confused the boss, who quickly killed the others - no XP.
If he's getting XP, he's doing something else as well - an immobilize, a proc in the confuse perhaps, something.
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Just ran some tests on my Dark/Dark Dom. Not once did i get XP if i only used Possess and did no damage from myself or my pets.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
If all he is doing is casting Possess then then he should not be getting any XP. However if he is using any other power that deal damage (including Haunt and Umbra Beast) then he would get XP.
Now if he actually is getting XP using only Possess then it is possible that there is a bug of some sort but I'd be surprised. |
Will check with my Controller.
Edit: Just spent a while using Possess on assorted enemies with my Dark/Dark Controller. No XP for any defeats by confused enemies unless i did damage as well.
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Hmm... what happens if the Contagious Confusion proc activates? I'll have to test that at some point.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Took my Dark/Psi out for a moment. Found a nice group of 5th Column. Confused the boss, who quickly killed the others - no XP.
If he's getting XP, he's doing something else as well - an immobilize, a proc in the confuse perhaps, something. |
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Hmm... what happens if the Contagious Confusion proc activates? I'll have to test that at some point.
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There is no difference if it comes from the Contagious Confusion proc, Possess, Deceive, Confuse, World of Confusion, Aura of Confusion, or Mass Confusion.
You will not get xp if you don't do some damage. Maybe he has a damage proc in Possess?
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He DID say that he had it slotted with the controller ATO set. Would that make a difference?
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Yes because the proc is a damage proc... anything it procced on has now taken damage from him and thus he qualifies for some xp... however little it may be.|
Originally Posted by ColonelKomphort
He DID say that he had it slotted with the controller ATO set. Would that make a difference?
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EDIT: Also keep in mind... now that damage has been inflicted, the foes are alerted to his presence if he was stealthed. If confuse wears off the mobs will realize where his character is and attack him.
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Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30
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Yup. As long as an enemy is confused any damage done to them does not alert their buddies. If they become unconfused, even by being defeated, their surviving friends will immediately aggro.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
Yes because the proc is a damage proc... anything it procced on has now taken damage from him and thus he qualifies for some xp... however little it may be.
EDIT: Also keep in mind... now that damage has been inflicted, the foes are alerted to his presence if he was stealthed. If confuse wears off the mobs will realize where his character is and attack him. |
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Unless the ATO proc is bugged, and not set to generate aggro.
It wouldn't show up unless someone slotted it a non-damage control.
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Just wanted to point out that while the other posters are correct, and confuse does have a net positive effect on your experience gain over time, the real fun starts once you reach 50, and just don't care about exp anymore. This is one reason why my mind/fire dom is my favorite character. All I have to do to annihilate a spawn is toss Mass Confusion, then throw a fireball and walk away. I've damaged them all, and so I will get kill credit, drops, etc. from them even though I really only needed to spend 5 seconds on the battle. Alternate that tactic with your spawn-melting judgement nuke, and then AoE hold a third spawn and spend some time burning them down. By the time you're done cleaning up all three groups, Mass Confusion should be up again!
This assumes greater than perma-dom levels of recharge, but it's worth the investment to play God. And perma-confusing Giant Monsters and purple-triangled AVs with literally zero risk is pretty fun, too! I've found I actually sold-off my Gladiator's Armor unique on that character, because it was so rare that I actually get attacked by anything, I felt the last few percentage points towards the ranged softcap weren't worth the money.
So yeah, confusion is pretty nice, is what I'm saying.
The Darkness Control power, Posess, uses the confuse status effect. That status effect, I understand, is supposed to not allow you to get xp if the confuse victim kills another enemy. However, it is my understanding that it does, that is, the victim kills another enemy, and you get the xp. Is this correct?