ColonelKomphort

Did you not read the thread? No, the badge is NOT awarded for completion of the event. If it were, I would have already had the badge, and there would not have been a discussion. The badge was awarded for completion of the event AND SUCCESSFULLY MEETING THE PARTICIPATION CRITERIA!!! I completed the event four times, but was only awarded the badge on the last time.

Okay, you come up with a better one, that is just as, or more comprehensive.

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Fair enough. A little bit more open-mindedness please.

Okay, I get this, I guess. But let me present to your new open-mindedness a different perspective: What is Bullseye's power? Mr. Fantastic? Professor Xavier? What is Green Arrow's power? The Flash? Mr. Freeze? In the comic books, there are a lot of examples of "one-trick ponies," those heroes and villians who make their names on the fact that they can only do one thing, but they do it very, very well.

Trying to keep a thick skin...

No, First off, it rarely happens. Second, when it does, I am the first to speak up and say we need to raise the diff level. Third, at that point, I do have pets, temp powers, and my one attack power that I can use to help damage. Fourth, I have stealth, so I can stealth such a mish if possible, and finally, there's the insurance aspect. Im there "just in case" around the next corner is the AV that wipes the team.

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My toon IS level 50+3. So I have levelled just about all I am going to. Haven't noticed a difference. Most teams don't want to run a mish that has no element of danger associated with it, any more than I do. Raise the diff. And, no, I don't camp the door.

So you've never run a tank that had a blaster on the team that would take out whatever you target? or ran a blaster on a team that had a scrapper that critted every time he struck? It happens. What do you do? You contribute where and when you can, and thank the Guardians that you got on a good team. You don't blame your build for being bad.


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I personally dont talk about the people I play with. Maybe you are different.


I never sit back with my hands in my pockets, or with my **** in my hands. I am beginning to wonder about the people YOU play with.


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No, I actually said what I meant. I am already level 50, so it's not about levelling up for me. It's about the healing. And I try not to spam if it is not necessary. I said try, because I'm not denying it happens on occasion that I had to put Healing Aura on autopower, then forgot to take it off. I'm getting better about that. But, on the other hand, if Healing Aura was my autopower, it was for a good, GOOD reason.

A good point. But at least I'm helping.

Wow! I'm guessing on your teams, people never die. That's amazing. Someday, they'll just eliminate the debt system altogether.

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Sorry, "shorthand" is a language system used back in the olden days when people took dictation. See Mad Men. It's like using "ppl" for "people." I know there is no "Healer AT," I am only using the designation "healer" to mean the Build that I have created, and any other builds similar to it.

And you have stats to prove me wrong?

No, I don't have stats to back it up. I was making a point.

And yet the devs made a Primary powerset out of Empathy.

Let me tell you a story:

Once upon a time, I created a Tanker, but I wanted my tanker to have some firepower, so, my tanker had lots of secondary powers, and only a few primary powers. Someone finally woke me up one day by saying, "You're not doing what you are supposed to do, because you can't." I realized that there was a reason a tank's primary powers are defensive in nature. It allows a tank to be a tank. After that, I made sure my tank had his primary powers first, and then, and only then, did he have his secondary and pool powers.

My Emp Def is an Emp Def first and foremost. What goes on after that is the marginal real utility.

No, this is the arguement you are giving me with your "use your secondaries" arguement.


You must only buy insurance when you know you are going to have a wreck.

Fortitude
CM
Regeneration Aura
Heal Other

Check.

No other powerset has to do what an Empathy Defender powerset has to do.

It has to do whatever it is going to do on friendlies, not enemies, EXCLUSIVELY. Exclusively, that's the difference. Every other primary powerset has at least one Foe-targeted power.


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Come on, you said so yourself, that healing and buffing is contributing. "Totally gimped"? Not even.

Then so does every blaster who stands behind a tank, or every controller who stands behind a brute. If my teammate does not kill the enemy then it becomes my problem. Better to help him now than deal with it by myself then.

So every player who take Flight instead of Leadership is not contributing to their full potential?

Then why do people tell me, "don't worry about attacking, just spam those heals?" I (used to) hear it all the time.

Sending $50-100 a month to Geico doesn't contribute anything to the family budget. Until you get in a wreck.

Sorry, tank who can't get there before the blaster takes out the enemy, apparently, Hyperstrike says you've failed.

Sorry, mastermind who spends half the mish calling up his minions, and buffing them before going into battle, only to find the battle has been won, Hyperstrike says you've failed.

To quote AG, a bit of hyperbole here: So what you are saying, is I should either not buff them, or buff myself. Remember, I AM doing some minor damage with my autoblast. But because I am buffing my teammate, he is doing a lot more damage. Conversely, since I can't buff myself, I am stuck doing my pinging. So maybe I should just stop buffing altogether.

No, but he IS saying that all character must have at least two damaging powers.

Thank you. I WILL earn it.

Never heard of Interrupt enhancements, huh.

Resuscitate is VERY useful. In cases of team wipes, I can tp and rez the whole team faster than any one team member can hosp and return. Reduce Recharges are wonderful for this purpose.

EVERY Defender primary powerset has at least one power that targets a foe: Cold Dom has Sleet, Dark Miasma has Howling Twilight, Force Field has Force Bolt, etc, etc, etc, all EXCEPT one.

I spoke with Budweiser recently about this very subject. He said that on any given night, in any given match, it's how you play, and the way your toon is equipped, that can have as much influence on the outcome of a match as the build can.

Here, I have to go with personal experience. I've never had a problem getting on a team or keeping up. Yes, I use my Lore pets as my damage dealers, but I haven't ever had someone kick me for someone else to take my spot on a league.

Wonderful arguement! It had me thinking. I had a concept once. A bouncer, who when he got drunk THOUGHT he had super powers. As such, I built him to be a WP tank. But he couldn't do superspeed, superjump, fly or teleport. Slow as molasses in January, UNTIL I found a jet pack!

If the concept of your character caused you to only take the first power of your secondary powerset, then, I'd say, no, you're not wrong. It's your toon, build it the way you want it. However, expect to WANT to change it somehow, and expect to find workarounds: The tank is going to team up a lot with a radiation debuffer, for example. The controller is going to buy a lot of blue and green inspirations.

This, however, should not stop them from playing the game. And if the game for them is achieving level 50, then they should be able to do so, with only one secondary power. If the game for them is running PvP, they are going to get knocked down a lot, but they will win a few, and they will still have fun. If the game for them is running AE mishs, go for it. You can create your own, and there won't be a problem. If the game for them is creating incarnates, well, get on large leagues, and your shortcomings won't matter as much. But if your game is badge-hunting, that's a different story. There is one badge, that you may have problems with. If you have only one secondary power, you'll be okay, even then, AS LONG AS YOU DONT HAVE ONE SPECIFIC PRIMARY POWERSET. What is different about that powerset? It has no attack powers.

Thank you, I understand now what you mean by wrong, and I get it. And you're right, I can use a different build and get the badge. Now, understand me: completing the event and not getting the badge is wrong, like smacking children is wrong. The event is hard enough, and to have completed it, enough to get the Low Tier reward table, should grant a badge, or at least the ability to select the badge. That's my point.

Because the concept is that if the attack is used, it is only used in dire circumstances, and among friends who will understand the "slip-up." That's the concept. The reality of it is, after a while, it became a challenge to myself, to keep from adding another attack power from my secondary powerset.

Nope, I welcome the assistance. If anything, I like to think I tend to make them feel useless.

No, but it's a pretty good indicator.

Are you calling me an idiot? An ad hominem arguement. Classic.


That's you. I'm sure when you are playing, you play to the best of your ability. I'm sure you are not spending your time withyour *** in your hand, nor are you playing with unslotted powers, no insps, etc. Assuming basic common sense in even the most "idiotic" of players, none of us are. Im just playing with a different set of powersets and power choices.

Another ad hominem arguement.

Conversely, I ASSUME that I'm helping people who're playing with broken builds, who are playing with their **** is their hands, because, quite frankly, that's what I find. You see, I'm a helper, or more precisely a HELPER, it's right there, over my head, I read it all the time. Newbies, noobs, and new supergroup members come to me because they know they can do the stupid stuff and, with a EMP DEF on the team, their mistakes will be mitigated.

There have been times when I have been on a team that didn't need me. Sure. It happens. Usually when running a mish that is three or four levels old for the mish owner, things like that. Then what do I do? Nothing. I ride it out. I say, "Good job", and, "you guys don't really need a healer." But those times are rare. The thing is, if they don't need a healer, then they surely don't need any extra firepower from me. I may be redundant, but I'm not useless. Next mish, they'll need me again.

I CAN solo, I just don't. It takes me longer, with my one attack, but I can. It doesn't make sense for me to solo, with my five wasted powers, but I can. And in this case, I attack, I AUTOattack. so it's not that it's not enough. I participate. With buffs and heals.

Every time a tank goes down to red on his health bar, I am contributing. If I keep him alive a little while longer, I'm contributing. He now has the ability to hit more than he did without me. Whether it's because he didn't have to spend the time going to his base, the hospital, buying inspirations, I'm contributing that much more. My time was spent making his time more productive. If he dies, goes to the hospital and returns, it has taken him more time to do that than he has spent already on attacking the creature that killed him. If I save him this hassle, he has spent that time attacking that creature. That's WAY more valuable than 5%.

Doesn't happen on decent teams. Most decent teams know to protect their healer.


I am an Empathy Defender, I said that at the beginning. I am using "healer" as shorthand for that. I'm sorry if I confused you.

Yes, everyone in the game has the ability to heal, but very few take the power to heal. Are you saying that you're a proponent of "Everyone must have a heal power" Well, what if then, someone came up to you and said that if you didn't take two different types of heal powers (say, the Medicine pool ALSO), that you were an idiot! How would that make you feel?

YOUR OPINION! I've seen situations where FF defenders have been brought on mishs solely to bubble against one AV.

I am contributing. By increasing the ability of my teammates to do damage. It's not directly damaging. It's not Dps, but it IS DoT.

No other AT and powerset has to do what a healer does. You make buffing/debuffing/healing sound as if it were secondary to attacking. Not so with the Empathy powerset. It says so, right there in the description: "Empathy gives you the ability to heal and aid allies as well as yourself. Empathy has no offensive powers, but its heals and buffs are unmatched." And that's the PRIMARY powerset. That is what an Emp Def, a healer, does.

I don't think I read that in the rules anywhere. Can you point that out to me? You are given an option, I chose to take it. That's why there's chocolate AND vanilla ice cream.

Never said they were. Merely pointed out that to their benefit, I am contributing to their ability to do more damage. If they choose not to do that damage, well, then I have lost a firing of Fortitude, or whatever, they have lost an opportunity to do that damage, and there is no attack button I can press that will make them attack, and I knowingly accept that fact.

And we close with another ad hominem attack arguement.

I'm not sure why you dislike "pure healer" empaths so much, but your entire arguement seems to be "you're stupid for building your character the way you want to build it." Which to me, sounds a lot like, "my build is right, yours is wrong"

Again, we are talking about a "Mine is right, yours is wrong" arguement. I built my character the way I did because I build my characters based upon a "story"; in this case, the story is that she has a need to heal rather than harm. So, based upon her story, I built a what-you-call a "buffbot". Yes, I can use an alternative build, give this toon more damaging powers, but, then, that's not her story, is it. And if she can't do it while maintaining her story, then, well, there's no hope for humanity, is there ;-)

Well, I can't speak for those other people, only myself, and my teammate. And he can speak for me and he would tell you that I "materially participated." In his eyes. In mine. Just not from the game engine's point of view. Which is fine, I guess. Like was said before: that's the way the game was built, deal. I have put in a petition to change the statement in paragonwiki from "Complete the ..." to "Materially participate in the..." I think the original was misleading.

Actually, I slotted three Gaussians in it. I took it because, at level 38 I had taken all the power pool powers I wanted (Recall Friend, Super Speed, Hasten, Teleport, Aid Other, Aid Self, Resuscitate, Stealth, and Teleport Foe), had taken all the Primary powerset powers available, and was stuck choosing it. And because I still couldn't hit anything without it.

Gotcha AG. But, according to Zombie Man, in City of Heroes Forums > removed forum sections > Issue 19 Alpha Strike Open Beta: Announcements, Chatter, & Discussion
GUIDE: Issue 19 Open Beta


Rewards for participation in the zone events will be based on the amount of participation, and not just damage done -- (de)buffing and heals are tracked. By some unknown metric, you will be given either the Top Tier or the Lower Tier Reward Table upon completion.

Removing all the arguements about my build, my question is, why isn't the badge in the Lower Tier Reward Table, instead of the Top Tier?

And as to why I use Aim: If I didn't, I'd never hit anything with my autopower.

EMP/Energy, and it's too late to change. I have too many badges to start over.


You probably are recalling correctly. Apparently, what is happening is my autopower is NOT counting toware my total. I am not, however, "standing there with an attack on auto and occasionally mashing heal other." My typical "attack chain" looks like this:
Going into battle: Power Build Up, Hasten, Recovery Aura, Regeneration Aura, Conserve Power, Aim. In battle, buff with Fortitude, Adrenaline Boost, Clear Mind, and as recharge allows, Support Radial Embodiment. Heal with Heal Other, Healing Aura, Absorb Pain, and as recharge allows, Rebirth Partial Radial Invocation. Autoattack with Power Bolt, and as recharge allows, Warworks Partial Radial Improved Ally and Cryonic Core Final Judgement. These are my main battle powers. Not to mention monitor EVERYBODY's health, recall friend and Resurrect and Rescusitate as necessary. So, no, I'm not "occasionally mashing heal other."

And the Barrier Incarnate power.

Not in my case; I have put recharge reductions into all three to get the recharges down.

And yes, I do have the medicine pool.

Personal opinion, other people's comments, and a bit of hubris. CoHTitan doesn't rank my healing, but it does rank my healer as the second highest count of badges of any defender on my server.

No, because the devs didn't limit you to being that terrible solo-er, you did. The devs decided that Empaths should have powers that don't work when soloing. In your example, you did. Not the same thing.

I don't believe that was my arguement at all. My arguement is, "It's possible. IF it is equally good, it should be equally rewarded."

Ah, constructive criticism! Good! On my fifth attempt, I used a more offensive build. Unfortunately, it was not a successful attempt. I plan on trying again tonight. However, on my previous four attempts, I DID avail myself of things like Lore pets, temp powers, pet temps, etc. Didn't make a difference.

My point is this: why not just move the badge to the first tier of rewards for this event. The badge is a reward for completing the event. If I am getting the rewards menu, it means I have completed the event. That would solve the problem.

No, I don't think so. I had my attack on autopower, so the NUMBER of attacks would have been the same, or at least very close. The amount of damage might have been different, but since my one attack cycles very quickly, the finite amount of time that your OTHER attacks would have taken (more than your first attack) would say that your NUMBER of attacks would have been fewer.