What happened Scrappers?


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It happened when the hardcore scrapper players started getting Incarnate powers.

Stuff that used to be "hey, look what I pulled off!"......just isn't that special anymore.

Not much point to telling people how you did something cool when they can all chime in and say, "yeah, I did that too"

Pretty soon I'm going to attempt a MoITF run on a Claws/Regen scrapper. If I pull it off I'll be sure to stop in and claim my bragging rights

Basically, it seems that the focus of the game has shifted. That, and with the option of playing for free I'm sure a lot of our former regular posters quit subscribing and just play once in a while.

Probably a bit of burn-out occurring with the long time vets as well. I know I'm starting to feel a bit of burnout, but I doubt I'm going to be going anywhere in the foreseeable future. I know Werner just recently came back from a 6 month break, and I haven't seen Iggy post since sometime last year. Umbral's been gone for at least 2 years.

Holy crap, I just realized I'm one of the old hands in teh Scrapper section now.
I feel you, I took a two month break.


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Well, there's nothing particularly good to throw myself against these days, it seems. I've been mostly duoing the Dark Astoria stuff with my Katana/Dark Scrapper and an Invuln/SS Tanker on +4x8 with both of us on out-of-date builds (Enzymes, etc.), and while we occasionally oops and die, oopsing and dying can be solved by paying closer attention and gaining more skills.

That said, I was waiting for I23, and will probably be respec'ing soon. But I still don't feel like I have anything specific to throw myself against to show how well or not well the build is working. I suppose I could crank up the Dark Astoria arcs solo, go with Scrapper challenge rules, and see how far I can go, at least once I have my Hybrid slot all figured out, but that doesn't lend itself to short little "check this out" vids. Also, I'm still missing a couple tier 4s, and duoing Dark Astoria on +4x8 is a pretty slow way to kit out a build.

I didn't go free to play. I DID take quite a few months off of the game due to being angry at the lack of solo incarnate content, and feeling like I was being completely left behind the cutting edge due to my dislike of teaming. I went and played another MMO for a while. When we finally got solo incarnate content, I came back and hit the game pretty solid again, but not the forum so much.

Just an anecdote about my dislike of teaming - when I23 came out, I rushed to convert my Threads to XP, only to discover that I couldn't. I was FUMING. Really, Devs? Your new iTrial sucks so much you need to FORCE people to play it? After I calmed down a bit, I signed up for a Magesterium farm. I had my hybrid slot in a flash, but the experience left a VERY bitter taste in my mouth. It just feels like they actively HATE soloers these days. They'd apparently much rather you be a retarded cog in a wheel running some retarded farm content than actively pushing the bounds of what a solo character can do and enjoying actual content. And good grief, it seems like I23 needed another month in the oven. That cake isn't cooked.

I also haven't paid much attention to all the new sets, and haven't run numbers for some time. So I don't have a lot to contribute to many of the threads the way I used to.

So I guess for me, it's the incarnate powers and all the new sets. Those aren't bad things, but I think I contribute most in a stable, analyzable, optimizable environment. That's kind of not what we have now. I'm playing as much as ever - I'm just not spending the time on calculating how to get another 2% performance out of my build when the next issue will give me another 20% with no thought involved (while wrecking my 2% optimization), and when my current performance is perfectly sufficient for available content.

Ah, also, I kind of don't CARE personally about other sets any more. Being mostly solo, the incarnate powers are WAY too much of an investment for me to consider starting over with another combo. And I love my Katana/Dark. So that's pretty much all I play now.


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I'm playing as much as ever - I'm just not spending the time on calculating how to get another 2% performance out of my build when the next issue will give me another 20% with no thought involved (while wrecking my 2% optimization)
This expresses the near-constant endgame struggle/disappointment for top tier players (in all MMOs) better than just about anything I've ever read.


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Personally I enjoy new incarnate powers being introduced. I find it fun and engaging discussing with other min/maxers how best to optimize my builds (or theirs). This applies to all ATs. The only reason I don't play scrappers as much as I used to is simply one thing: runners. So in other words, taunt aura. There are only a handful of defensive sets that this isnt an issue, and those sets are good for the most part, but man I really want a tw/fire scrap but the idea of chasing down a boss that survived out of a large group is depressing. I ca accept runners on my stalker for some strange reason (he makes AVs flee...stj/ea). Maybe because I played this game when giant rock monsters weren't afraid of robots with claws that this irritated me so much. I definitely have old 50s I abandoned due to runners.

Also anyone that knows me understands I try to min/max all my characters, regardless of the combo. My main defender for example does on average 3m pylon times without hybrid or lore pets activated. I have a plant/fire dom that has a best time of 2:14. I only consider a combo bad if it can't kill a pylon solo. Doesn't have to be quick. Actually I don't remember if that was his time...seems to low. Id have to check the pylon thread. I remember it being less than 3m for sure though.


 

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I mostly read the Pylon thread for fun, geek interest and inspiration. I have only rarely gone out and tried to mow something down.

On the note of both inspiration and the times I have gone pylon hunting, I'm fairly pleased though to have numerous melee characters in the 200-250 DPS range despite having things like Cardiac and Spiritual rather than Musculature as their standard Alpha. But I finally picked up T4 Core Musculature on my BS/Inv, combined that with T4 Core Assault, and took him out for a spin today and, by his standards, mutilated a Pylon. I need to build him an Ageless so he can actually do that sort of thing without winding himself halfway through. Rare will probably be fine for my purposes - I usually tote Rebirth or Barrier around for scary foes.

Edit: While I prefer to solo, I clearly have no issue running lots and lots of iTrials. Some of my 50s are starting to groan under the weight of their piles of iSalvage.


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I think lack of taunt aura's is really hurting the perception of scrappers, but hopefully SS will get a port at some point and that should see some more activity here (I would kill for Energy Melee too, again with a balance pass as it goes).
Don't hold your breath for Super Strength getting ported...the Devs have said essentially that Rage as it is would not pass a balance pass, and so if they open that can of worms, they would not be able to ignore the overpowered aspects of the set, so if you love SS as it is now...be careful what you wish for.


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I am glad Werner is back. He does in fact express the soloers position very well.


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So I guess for me, it's the incarnate powers and all the new sets. Those aren't bad things, but I think I contribute most in a stable, analyzable, optimizable environment. That's kind of not what we have now. I'm playing as much as ever - I'm just not spending the time on calculating how to get another 2% performance out of my build when the next issue will give me another 20% with no thought involved (while wrecking my 2% optimization), and when my current performance is perfectly sufficient for available content.
Its the way of things. I was far more valuable when the mechanics were unknown and Real Numbers didn't exist and City of Data was extremely out of date. Now that most the mechanics are known and Paragonwiki documents things very well and CoD is pretty much up to date and anyone can get most of the powers data from Real Numbers, I'm 95% redundant, which is mostly good for the game.


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Ah, also, I kind of don't CARE personally about other sets any more. Being mostly solo, the incarnate powers are WAY too much of an investment for me to consider starting over with another combo. And I love my Katana/Dark. So that's pretty much all I play now.
Well, the way I look at it there are things I incarnate out, and things I don't or are not likely to. But I still enjoy playing new powersets, and Water Blast is looking like it will be a blast. And I absolutely love my Staff/SR Brute: it jumped all the way up to my second-favorite melee behind my MA/SR main the same day I started playing it.

Of course, I don't hate running iTrials either, so even though I solo a lot my situation isn't the same. I think my Staff/SR will *eventually* get incarnate-slotted, and it won't be as much of a chore when I decide to. Although I've been thinking about running through solo DA for that just to see what the process is like first-hand in terms of long-term progress. I know it ain't fast, but slow is a subjective judgment.


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Edit: While I prefer to solo, I clearly have no issue running lots and lots of iTrials. Some of my 50s are starting to groan under the weight of their piles of iSalvage.
I decided to try to make all the tier 4 Lore pets on my main. Problem solved. New problem now: that'll probably take years.


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I decided to try to make all the tier 4 Lore pets on my main. Problem solved. New problem now: that'll probably take years.
Hah, nice.


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Don't hold your breath for Super Strength getting ported...the Devs have said essentially that Rage as it is would not pass a balance pass, and so if they open that can of worms, they would not be able to ignore the overpowered aspects of the set, so if you love SS as it is now...be careful what you wish for.
This.

I exchanged PMs with Castle on that very subject a few months before he left.

One of his responses was to the effect of not being sure that Rage would remain as it is even if it DOESN'T get ported. He also pretty much guaranteed me that it would definitely be changed if it were.

If you like SS as it is now, well, just hope that Castle didn't pass that project on.


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This.

I exchanged PMs with Castle on that very subject a few months before he left.

One of his responses was to the effect of not being sure that Rage would remain as it is even if it DOESN'T get ported. He also pretty much guaranteed me that it would definitely be changed if it were.

If you like SS as it is now, well, just hope that Castle didn't pass that project on.
Personally (And selfishly) that is exactly why I want it ported. I love the numbers I project from my SS builds but I hate rage crashes so bad that I just cannot play the set.

I don't really expect it to get ported due to opposition (If I liked SS now I would be on the verge of quitting if it was taken from me), but if it ever did I would expect it to keep it's potency (Mostly) without the reliance on rage.

I would compromise though if they give me a good enough Energy Melee port

Edit: To get this back on track: Is there anything left for scrappers to do that hasn't really been done yet? Anyone soloed the Shadow Shard TF's (Or do they all have the clickies?)?


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Is it still solo-ING it if you multibox the clicky parts also solo-ing the khan tf was rough on my brute. I imagine that being a good challenge for scraps. Need a looooooottt of dps.


 

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Is it still solo-ING it if you multibox the clicky parts also solo-ing the khan tf was rough on my brute. I imagine that being a good challenge for scraps. Need a looooooottt of dps.
I can see Khan being more down to how lucky you are at not getting stunned and killed, Reichs doesn't have much regen to overcome, but he does hurt!

That is one of the TF's that I would like to have a go on when I get that far though (I should make a to-do list).


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IOs and Incarnates killed a lot of the challenge/goal-achievement.

I remember a friend of mine would PL on the Ninja map in PI on his SOd Kat/SR, set to Invincible. Then when IOs came out he soloed STF up to the last mission of a Master run. Now everyone and their aunt has defense cap, bloatrous damage, a nuke and pets.

The only things left are to solo trials...they honestly should look at how easy it is to defense cap, but I'm not sure they are ready for the pitchforks and torches that would assail Paragon Studious if the went into that particular corner of the game world.

Hopefully the Battallion don't suck and fall over like most of the other content in the game so far.


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I know I have been gone a year or so played the game Rift. I renewed for 3 months but I will most likely drop back to free to play once it expires. Once that happens I can will not be allowed post.


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Ah, also, I kind of don't CARE personally about other sets any more. Being mostly solo, the incarnate powers are WAY too much of an investment for me to consider starting over with another combo. And I love my Katana/Dark. So that's pretty much all I play now.
I feel same for my katana/SR scrapper. In old days I would play two or three more characters one being a lowbie just to level it but I am a soloer and I hate AH so until I hit a certain level with my characters I don't build much beyond SO's and occasional drop of generic IO's. Nowadays however I prefer playing with my kat/SR either on live or in beta to see what I can make out of my options for its build (basicly how much damage buff I can add it without nerfing its survivalbility too much)