Bruising Vs other -res, on AVs

I was doing a MoM trial the other day, on my bane spider. Just for fun, I thought I would check out the stats on the AVs. While looking at the info, I noticed some odd things in the Resistance tab.

She had -20% resist, from Bruising.
As in..she was NOT resisting the -res (it is -20 I think).

But then, all my own sources of -res (venom nade, surveil, shatter armour) which all also have a value of -20....showed up as -13%, indicating they WERE being resisted.

Is this right? I am not sure about how Bruising works (I hate tanks) but surely a flat -20%, from a single power, shouldnt be doing a bigger debuff than say..a /rad corr with EF?

Bruising is supposed to be resistable, so it showing up as -20 is quite odd.

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I don't know whether it's intended to be resisted or not, but I know that Bruising is definitely supposed to be max of one application, regardless of how many tankers there are. Assuming that part is working correctly, I don't really see it as being a major balance issue. Even if it's bigger than Rad debuffs on a 1:1 basis it will never get any stronger, whereas Rad users should theoretically stack all the way to the -res floor, whatever that is.

That is working as intended.

Bruising works by giving the AV a power that makes it debuff itself, getting around the purple patch. It will always increase the damage a target takes 20% regardless if it's an AV, GM or whatever. The trade off is it doesn't stack, even from multiple Tankers, while other kinds of -Res debuffs can.


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According to City of Data, the "Bruised" power is not set to unresistable, meaning that it should be impacted the mob's resistance (self resistance powers are set to 'unresistable' to keep them from being resisted). And as well all know, City of Data is totally infallible

We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.

Combat attributes accounts for both the purple patch and innate resistance, when looking through an analizer on my necro.

Does she have any natural resist to begin with?

Combat Attributes will display the value of your debuff, accounting for the purple patch, but not accounting for debuff resistance. As others have mentioned, Bruising is not subject to the purple patch.

However, the final total resistance value WILL account for debuff resistance. So for example, her lethal resistance is 50% IIRC, so Combat Attributes will display a +50% buff from her Resistance power, -20% from Bruising, and her total lethal resist will display as 40%. This part of the behavior is not specific to Bruising.

Ah I see, I misread your post.

Anyway, the fact that it is applied differently from other debuffs is probably why it would show up differently. I just know that it's always a 20% damage buff, even if resisted it still works out to 20%.

to test it more effectively go into a pvp zone and have a tanker hit you with bruising, thus giving you a bruising debuff icon to click on in your power list, then you can check the detailed info to see if said power is unresistable or not

thats about the easiest way i can see of checking actual in game info

Or you could type [Bruised] in the chat window.

Or you could find a target with 100% resistance, such as a RWZ practice dummy, Power Analyzer it, hit it with Bruising, and note that its resist stays at 100%, while an unresistable debuff would reduce it to 80%.

Ah, right. Yeah, if something has like 40% resistance to Smashing and you hit it with a -20% debuff, it will show something like "28% to Smashing" and "-20% from Whatever" in the Combat Attributes window.