Tanker ATO proc


Blue_Centurion

 

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I cannot figure this one out. Might of the Tanker: Chance for Resist. MiDs goes crazy when i turn it on. Anybody able to give me an idea how often I could count on it being up if I use it in a tier 1 punch?


 

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it has 5 PPM (superior is 6 PPM), if you have something thats 10-12 sec base rech you should put in that for 100% chance to give you resist, it stacks up to 3 times and each stack is worth 5% resist to all


 

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So if I put the Superior in Siphon Life base Recharge 10 seconds, even if I get the recharge down to 3 Seconds it Procs every time?


 

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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion View Post
So if I put the Superior in Siphon Life base Recharge 10 seconds, even if I get the recharge down to 3 Seconds it Procs every time?
yes the PPM only goes off of the powers base rech, not enhances/buffed rech


 

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Wow, I am looking at a very very expensive Dark Invul build right now i just made in MiDs. I see nothing bad, just insane tankiness. Having the ATO in Siphon Life even makes mechanical sense, I will be leaning more on SL when I am in trouble, and when I start to spam it my Res creeps up.


 

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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion View Post
Wow, I am looking at a very very expensive Dark Invul build right now i just made in MiDs. I see nothing bad, just insane tankiness. Having the ATO in Siphon Life even makes mechanical sense, I will be leaning more on SL when I am in trouble, and when I start to spam it my Res creeps up.
Downside to putting it in Siphon Life: The power is already very slot-hungry. Optimal slotting includes ED capped Damage and Healing with good accuracy, recharge, and endurance reduction. That's somewhat of a challenge to do as is before you start taking up slots with procs.


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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30))
Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.

 

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You need a 12 second base recharge to guarantee a 100% proc rate. I'd put it in something that recharges 12-15 seconds myself, then add buckets of recharge. 10 seconds would be about 80% chance to proc.

I tested this on Beta with Crowd Control (12 second recharge) and I was very happy with the result. I'd copy your toon to beta and give it a quick test, just to make sure it's what you want.

For /Dark, I'd consider Midnight Grasp.


 

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yeah... I'd go for midnight grasp as your attack chain will probably use that just as often as siphon life, and as said before siphon life is very slot-hungry already.

And yes... the tanker ATO is one of the better ones.


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You need a 12 second base recharge to guarantee a 100% proc rate. I'd put it in something that recharges 12-15 seconds myself, then add buckets of recharge. 10 seconds would be about 80% chance to proc.

I tested this on Beta with Crowd Control (12 second recharge) and I was very happy with the result. I'd copy your toon to beta and give it a quick test, just to make sure it's what you want.

For /Dark, I'd consider Midnight Grasp.
That's where I put it on my Ice/Dark tank and it works quite well. That and I prefer slotting Siphon Life as a heal instead of an attack.


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12 second is for the standard and 10 second is for the Superior?


 

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No, it's a "5 proc per minute" ATIO. So 60 seconds divided by 5 is 12. That gives you your 100% proc rate.

If you put the ATIO in a power with a 6 second recharge, you'd get a 50% proc rate. Putting the ATIO in something like Brawl is a bad idea, imo, because you'd have to use Brawl all the time (it would lave like a 16% proc rate) and you'd kill your DPS and, for dark, many other useful side effects.

Any power with a 12 second recharge or more will therefore have a 100% proc rate. The "proc per minute" calculation only counts base recharge, so any recharge you slot, or any global recharge, will not be counted and is therefore "more procs" for your character.

With Crowd Control at effectively 5.3 second recharge (plus arcanatime) I could barely get three procs stacked up. But getting two stacked up was pretty easy.

(The standard Tanker ATIO has a 5% resistance buff, the superior has 6.72%, iirc).


 

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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master View Post
it has 5 PPM (superior is 6 PPM), if you have something thats 10-12 sec base rech you should put in that for 100% chance to give you resist, it stacks up to 3 times and each stack is worth 5% resist to all

Necrotech says Superior is 6 PPM, so thats 10 second recharge powers. Is that accurate?


 

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Well there are two versions of the MotT Proc and they have two different Proc rates. So the guaranteed proc base recharge number of a single target attack varies depending on whether you have a regular or a superior version slotted. At least the Gauntlet bug is fixed so ST attacks are no longer penalized as 5 target AoE's.

Also I would not let being obsessed with having a guaranteed Proc obscure the utility of putting this in your Bruising power. You are going to be firing that power a lot, in both AoE mode (vs. your Boss or LT target) and ST attack chains if you want to max you DPS. I have a Superior MotT in Scorch and I find it is double stacked and sometimes triple stacked with no special attention and I can force the triple stack any time I want by just slipping in a few extra activations.

Hmmm, after looking at the Dark Melee set, which I have not played yet, I guess you are not going to be using your Brusing power as much as I do, so a guaranteed proc is probably the way to go.

Jak


 

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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion View Post
Necrotech says Superior is 6 PPM, so thats 10 second recharge powers. Is that accurate?
Ayup, I just checked the mouse over text for superior. It does indeed say 6 per minute, which would give a 10 second recharge power a 100% proc rate. I hadn't noticed that, thanks for pointing it out.


 

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On my Lvl 43 Shield/MA Tank I have it slotted in Storm Kick for now. 6s base recharge. Once I Reach 50 and Catalyst the set I will move it over to Cobra Strike. 10s base recharge. Right now I regularly have the proc triple stacked as I spam Storm kick in my attack chain. It's awesome.


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Originally Posted by JakHammer View Post
Hmmm, after looking at the Dark Melee set, which I have not played yet, I guess you are not going to be using your Brusing power as much as I do, so a guaranteed proc is probably the way to go.

Jak

Yes, that is right. I am going Dark/Invul/Soul with a very expensive build with Softcap S/L and 82.5% global recharge, plus Hasten, giving 152.5% recharge almost all the time, with Hasten near perma. The idea is to Tank hard first, lay out Taunt/Dark oblit/Soul Tentacles/Midnight Grasp/Gloom when times are good and in big masses, then ST MG/Gloom/Shadow Punch/Siphon life, and when things get bad just Spamming Siphon Life (with the resist proc in it) Also, the massive global recharge has Dull Pain at slightly better than Perma, and for attack power Soul Drain is near perma. Dark Consumption is up more than once a minute to solve End issues.

So putting this in siphon Life works very well with how I plan to use the power. When things are going good I am Soul Drain, then MG and Soul attacks, when things get ugly I hunker down and Siphon.