Wait.
On Street Justice, am I supposed to put the stalker set in the assassin strike or in crushing uppercut for best results?
My STJ/SR stalker is only level 29 so I dont have crushing uppercut yet, but I did already put max slots in assassin strike and I have the full stalker set in it.
Help?
Thanks,
Lewis
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In the Assassin Strike.
Almost always in the Assassin Strike.
Because of the how the ATO gets triggered AS is almost a 100% guaranteed trigger.
BU+AS(You become hidden)+CU(2 combo points crit) = a dead mob
This is really good when not Hidden
And If you start hidden that's a full AS and a CU(2 point) Crit. short of Eb's,AV's and GMs I don't think anything you fight in amission could survive that damage.
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You forgot to mention that the AS out of hide has a much lower animation time then the other sets making it not just awsome, but stupid awsome... (supposedly this is getting a fix someday). It's actually so fast that after playing a KM stalker to level 38, I still dont really know what it is... Most of the time it looks like it just adds a bunch of extra big orange numbers to your previous attack.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Yes KM is really good on Stalkers, even moreso with the recent stalker changes.
-Burst has a 100% chance to crit from hide. -CS will insta recharge your BU on "crits" -The Stalker ATO proc in AS will set up Burst and CS for 100% crit aoe or BU recharge, respectively I haven't played StJ, but the big thing is that Crushing Uppercut hits like a truck, and with the stalker ATO you're going to be critting with it every single time. The stalker ATO is a complete game changer, seriously, and KM and StJ are one of the best abusers of the proc. |
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DMystic,
Thanks!
Lewis
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I gravitated from a NB Stalker over to KM and whhhooaa hoooly craaaap.
The AS on that is... blindingly fast. You can't even really see it activate, and it pops off instantly in an attack chain. I just unlocked Concetrated Strike and I've been enjoying opening with BU-CS-BU-AS.
When I get the proc in AS it'll be BU-AS-(hidden)CS-BU-AS again if I have enough +recharge it shouldn't have a very long downtime. Maybe 1 second after the CS-BU animation.
But damn if you guys don't have me intrigued with Stj now!
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Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
You forgot to mention that the AS out of hide has a much lower animation time then the other sets making it not just awsome, but stupid awsome... (supposedly this is getting a fix someday). It's actually so fast that after playing a KM stalker to level 38, I still dont really know what it is... Most of the time it looks like it just adds a bunch of extra big orange numbers to your previous attack.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
Seems to me KM would take the lead because CS causes instant recharge of BU when it crits. With the ATIO proc you can crit a LOT, and therefor have BU up more.
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I know I have been flaunting around KM as really good lately, however in recent tests, this just is not the case.
The top* attack chain for KM would be BU>AS>CS>SB>BB. However there is an issue with this that isn't apparant when you first look at it. This attack chain worked before because the stalker ATO was triggering multiple times, so it would semi-reliably give you crit CS's (as well as making a whole load of other attacks crit, as well as cause AS's long animation in the middle of your attack chain. This was a bug and it has been fixed, the ATO proc will now only trigger once after using AS. After triggering it will place a "buff" on you putting you in the hidden state. This buff will last for a set duration and will not expire even if you consume it's hidden status. After you consume the hidden status that the proc grants the "buff" will stay on you, it will not be doing anything beneficial for your character except that it will prevent you from triggering the ATO proc again until it wears off. Yes, this means if your AS (which the ATO proc should be slotted in) recharges faster than the hide proc lasts, it will automatically fail to trigger again until the next attack chain.
For KM this completely wrecks it's top attack chain. If you can't reliably trigger the AS proc, you can't get your crit CS. If your CS doesn't crit, you don't get your BU recharged. Without BU recharged you lose huge dps and it leaves your attack chain with a massive gap in it. Basically if they don't change it so that the proc doesn't have that lockout window preventing it from triggering again, KM will never be a top Stalker primary. It will still be good, but it's biggest niche isn't possible right now.
Even if the AS granted hidden every time km will still be behind stj. Stj is quite strong now, partially because AS grants 2 combo points.
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That's hard to say. If the ATO proc worked properly, KM would be capable of keeping 160% dmg buff on both AS and CS, and 80% on SB and BB (in addition to relatively frequent Gaussian BU procs). Of course this obviously means StJ will have a greater top end because it has much more room to recieve damage buffs, but unbuffed worst case scenario the 2 sets should be even in ST dps if the ATO proc worked properly. And that's not even factoring in 100% crit chance on Burst, which puts KM way ahead on aoe.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
Even if the AS granted hidden every time km will still be behind stj. Stj is quite strong now, partially because AS grants 2 combo points.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
.... StJ is going to be outperforming KM. I know I have been flaunting around KM as really good lately, however in recent tests, this just is not the case. The top* attack chain for KM would be BU>AS>CS>SB>BB. However there is an issue with this that isn't apparant when you first look at it. This attack chain worked before because the stalker ATO was triggering multiple times, so it would semi-reliably give you crit CS's (as well as making a whole load of other attacks crit, as well as cause AS's long animation in the middle of your attack chain. This was a bug and it has been fixed, the ATO proc will now only trigger once after using AS. After triggering it will place a "buff" on you putting you in the hidden state. This buff will last for a set duration and will not expire even if you consume it's hidden status. After you consume the hidden status that the proc grants the "buff" will stay on you, it will not be doing anything beneficial for your character except that it will prevent you from triggering the ATO proc again until it wears off. Yes, this means if your AS (which the ATO proc should be slotted in) recharges faster than the hide proc lasts, it will automatically fail to trigger again until the next attack chain. For KM this completely wrecks it's top attack chain. If you can't reliably trigger the AS proc, you can't get your crit CS. If your CS doesn't crit, you don't get your BU recharged. Without BU recharged you lose huge dps and it leaves your attack chain with a massive gap in it. Basically if they don't change it so that the proc doesn't have that lockout window preventing it from triggering again, KM will never be a top Stalker primary. It will still be good, but it's biggest niche isn't possible right now. |
I'm glad someone caught this and talked about it before I invested in my purple sets. Perhaps I'll be waiting for staff melee afterall.
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ATO proc lasts 10s but you never know when the 10s duration starts. It acts as an "auto buff" power. The way Synapse explained to me is that Stalker should get a critical within 11-15s depending on when the attack chain starts and whether you land a hit or not. I really try not to think too much about it. I know we get more critical chance with the proc and that's good enough for me.
It needed to get fixed because it caused AS in regular attack chain to be interruptable. To give you an example, I joined a team in DA to kill the very last Elite boss. During that fight, I had 4 freaking Interruptable AS. That's how bad the procs were stacking and causing problems.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Originally Posted by Dz131
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And it's pretty special to be able to go into Hide while enemies are swinging at you.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Overall, Stalker is better suited for Defensive Sets than Resistance or Regeneration based because Stalker has lower base health. It is better to avoid hits.
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Street Justice with AS slotted with the stalker chance to hide IO, followed by an uppercut, is pretty berserker. Unlike a lot of bigbad stalker powers like energy transfer and headsplitter etc, crushing uppercut does full crit damage from hide, balanced by the fact that it doesn't hit as hard without combo and it isn't easy to get a big combo from stealth.
Doing 30-40% of an elite-bosses' lifebar in 2 hits makes me smile