Hawkeye -- world's worst archer?


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Originally Posted by Mandu View Post
One of the guys comments was that Renner was wearing an arm guard on both arms meaning that he really had to be doing things wrong if he was hurting both arms. I guess he's never heard of a costume before. Completely bare arms just don't look right with that costume. And the type of bracers the comic book Hawkeye uses really would interfere with firing the bow.

Plus of course the author probably thinks that nobody can hit the broad side of a barn without the correct form (hand to cheek, sight through string). Much like Adam and Jamie on Mythbusters decided it was impossible to be accurate firing a pistol from the hip just because it was something they couldn't do on their first try. The main concept behind Hawkeye is his skill is at a point that he is an instinctual archer. He doesn't have to bring the bow in line and sight through the string in order to hit something. He just knows where the arrow is going to go.

And you know, when I was a teen I taught myself to fire the bow with a very awkward form. Sure I could line up the bow and be more accurate at a longer range but I did it just because it was cool to be able to whip the bow up and fire before my arm was even fully extended and put the arrow in a milk carton from 50 feet. Hitting something that size from 50 feet is not exactly accurate archery, but it's fun when you are doing it all superhero like and firing from the hip.
Firing quickly is not an excuse for improper form. I've seen video of a person hitting 10 moving targets in round about 10 or 12 seconds. The targets were clay pigeons about the size of tea-cup saucers being thrown into air roughly a hundred feet from the archer.

A person who has mastered archery, or any skill (combat or otherwise), to the point where it is instinctual and constant would use proper form without thought every time.

In fact, the criteria for master level I've heard from martial arts instructors is that you do things the best way all the time without having to think about it. It's reached the point of second nature, in other words.

Now, looking at the picture of the woman with the bow in her feet. She's bent the wrist for the purpose of using the spur of the bone as a weight-bearing prop. Notice her arms are more or less straight and aligned parallel to each other and coming under the body.

There are right ways to bend the wrist and wrong ways. The wrong ways cut off blood flow and interrupt the harmony of the interacting muscles which basically bottoms out the amount of power you have. And make no mistake, a bow requires you to use power...even the piddly bows we were allowed to use in amtgard could be felt if you weren't used to it.


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Originally Posted by Kinrad View Post
Isn't Hawkeye a mutant though? So basically he always hits his target by virtue of lazy writing!
Thats Bullseye, Hawkeye is just a normal guy with training


 

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Though Ultimate Hawkeye is more like bullseye, in that he can turn anything into weapon ( i know there was a scene where he killed a bunch of people by pulling out his own finger nails and throwing them). It will be interesting to see what version of Hawkeye we get in the film.


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I laughed when people said Hawkeye doesn't need to aim properly because he has The Hulk as backup. That's not to say it's a bad point... but rather... because I immediately had this image of Hawkeye aiming for a bad-guy and then The Hulk grabbing that arrow, running up to the enemy and stabbing it in him before Hawkeye could fire it. lol


 

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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
If this woman can hit her targets without using "perfect archery form" the author was nitpicking about



Then Hawkeye can shoot any way he likes.
How'd you like to explain that to the doctor when you've completely pissed your wife off.

"Yeah, doc, totally with her feet balacing right off the fence post with her hands, now can you just pull that damn thing out"

On another note, I am always amazed at what humans can accomplish.



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