Suggestion: Psychic Melee & Psychic Armor!


Angelxman81

 

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While not an original idea, after running around with a now grown Penelope Yin I thought it would be a good time to refresh this suggestion. This idea is mainly just to kind of put together sets using existing powers and filling the gaps with some new ideas and ideas inspired by Miss Yin. Please bear in mind This was a quick put together of ideas and I am sure more creative ideas could be developed for some of the "fill in" clone powers I suggested.

Mind Probe - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Telekinetic Thrust - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Psychic Blades - NEW - Inspired by Penelope's "psychic claw-like" attacks using a non-redraw "weapon of light" in style of the demon summoning whip attacks.
Telekinetic Deconstruction - NEW - Another power inspired by Penelope Yin. This would be a targeted aoe DoT that ticks its damage pretty quickly over a short duration... would also be a nice place to apply a debuff!
Concentration - Basically the renamed Build Up from the blaster Mental Manipulation powerset.
Confront/Taunt - fairly standard for the melee classes to have. Could be swapped out for Hide and moved to the first pick for stalkers
Telepathic Blast - NEW - inspired by what seemed to be a short range hold/dmg attack used by Penelpe, its basically a clone of the Claws power Focus using the Scramble Thoughts animation and adding a "chance to hold".
Psychic Shockwave - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Telekinetic Grasp - NEW - Basically a midnight grasp clone doing psi damage and having a different animation

Mind Over Body - per the willpower set
World of Confusion - per the Blaster Mental Manipulation powerset.
Telekinetic Armor - NEW - a new second armor that provides resistance to energy,negative energy, fire, cold and psionic damage (I figured the devs like holes so I left out toxic resistance)
Indomitable Will - per the fortunata power
Foresight - per the fortunata power
Mask Presence - per the fortunata power
Psychic Awareness - NEW - Basically a Heightend Senses clone
Drain Psyche - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Psychic Overload - NEW - Basically a Strength of Will clone

As I mentioned before its just a quick collection of ideas to give the powersets some kind of shape and I am sure the devs could come up with more original powers in places where I filled in gaps with clone powers. Just figured I'd get the idea out of my head and into the forums for discussion!


Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30

 

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Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
Mind Over Body - per the willpower set
World of confusion - per the renamed Blaster Mental Manipulation powerset.
Telekinetic Armor - NEW - a new second armor that provides resistance to energy,negative energy, and psionic damage (I figured the devs like holes so I left out toxic resistance)
Indomitable Will - per the fortunata power
Foresight - per the fortunata power
Mask Presence - per the fortunata power
Psychic Awareness - NEW - Basically a Heightend Senses clone
Drain Psyche - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Psychic Overload - NEW - Basically a Strength of Will clone
While it's pretty balanced it's also feels like it would play out far too similar to willpower to warrant an entire new set of it's own. It needs something that sets it apart from willpower other than getting it's regen buff far later and not as good as RTTC until you get IOs.

I haven't done the 6th SSA yet so I haven't seen penny's powers yet so I can't comment on the melee set.


 

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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi View Post
While it's pretty balanced it's also feels like it would play out far too similar to willpower to warrant an entire new set of it's own. It needs something that sets it apart from willpower other than getting it's regen buff far later and not as good as RTTC until you get IOs.

I haven't done the 6th SSA yet so I haven't seen penny's powers yet so I can't comment on the melee set.
You might be right but like I said its just a collection of ideas. For all I know Penelope Yin is the precursor to whatever the devs already have planned for psychic melee/psychic armor


Jem - Ill/Rad Controller Lv 50+3 Nic - Mind/Psi Dominator Lv 50+3 Lady Liberation - Invuln/SS Tanker Lv 50+1 Invicitx - Demon/Pain Mastermind Lv 50+1 Celeste - Emp/Arch Defender Lv 50+1 Nightsilver - DB/WP Scrapper Lv 34 Dusk Howl - StJ/Regen Brute Lv 32 Kyriani - Time/Energy Defender Lv 41Psifire - FF/Psi Defender Lv 50
Star Lighter - LB/LA Peacebringer Lv 30

 

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Cant be Psychic armor without Mind link
I think Penny powers are a mix of Seers and Widows.
But I dont think is a Psy melee powerset in the works...


 

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Originally Posted by Angelxman81 View Post
Cant be Psychic armor without Mind link
I think Penny powers are a mix of Seers and Widows.
But I dont think is a Psy melee powerset in the works...
Nope. None of their powers are that cool.


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Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
While not an original idea, after running around with a now grown Penelope Yin I thought it would be a good time to refresh this suggestion. This idea is mainly just to kind of put together sets using existing powers and filling the gaps with some new ideas and ideas inspired by Miss Yin. Please bear in mind This was a quick put together of ideas and I am sure more creative ideas could be developed for some of the "fill in" clone powers I suggested.

Mind Probe - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Telekinetic Thrust - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Psychic Blades - NEW - Inspired by Penelope's "psychic claw-like" attacks using a non-redraw "weapon of light" in style of the demon summoning whip attacks.
Telekinetic Deconstruction - NEW - Another power inspired by Penelope Yin. This would be a targeted aoe DoT that ticks its damage pretty quickly over a short duration... would also be a nice place to apply a debuff!
Concentration - Basically the renamed Build Up from the blaster Mental Manipulation powerset.
Confront/Taunt - fairly standard for the melee classes to have. Could be swapped out for Hide and moved to the first pick for stalkers
Telepathic Blast - NEW - inspired by what seemed to be a short range hold/dmg attack used by Penelpe, its basically a clone of the Claws power Focus using the Scramble Thoughts animation and adding a "chance to hold".
Psychic Shockwave - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Telekinetic Grasp - NEW - Basically a midnight grasp clone doing psi damage and having a different animation

Mind Over Body - per the willpower set
World of Confusion - per the Blaster Mental Manipulation powerset.
Telekinetic Armor - NEW - a new second armor that provides resistance to energy,negative energy, fire, cold and psionic damage (I figured the devs like holes so I left out toxic resistance)
Indomitable Will - per the fortunata power
Foresight - per the fortunata power
Mask Presence - per the fortunata power
Psychic Awareness - NEW - Basically a Heightend Senses clone
Drain Psyche - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Psychic Overload - NEW - Basically a Strength of Will clone

As I mentioned before its just a quick collection of ideas to give the powersets some kind of shape and I am sure the devs could come up with more original powers in places where I filled in gaps with clone powers. Just figured I'd get the idea out of my head and into the forums for discussion!
A few thoughts on how I would build the (armour) set:

I would invert the approach to mitigation you've suggested, for starters. To differentiate it from Willpower, which arguably overlaps Psi Armour thematically, I would have high defence to smashing/lethal, and moderate to low resistance to other damage types. For Psi damage only, the set would provide high defence and resists (it makes sense this would be its speciality). Drain Psyche, or a similar power would round this off in the later game with some regen.

In terms of set balancing, I would suggest making the set a more "offensive", less mitigation focused set, like fire. This might involve a psi damage aura early in the build, which would certainly be popular with players.

Another thing to think of would be what is the sets "defining" power, that differentiates it from other sets? Psi's main secondary effect is -recharge: making a taunt aura/mitigation power that uses -recharge would be unique, but might be hard to balance.

Could be a fun set, though. No thoughts on the melee set, per se. Something resembling Penny's abilities would be extremely cool to play, however.


 

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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
Nope. None of their powers are that cool.
I know she got new powers and different versions of psychic shockwave and the uber cool psi claws.
I meant the thematic of her powers looks like based on Widows and Seers, but with their own VFX and powers, like every iconic hero should have.


 

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i think world of confusion placed as listed is a good "psi damage aura early in the build" looks good to me, with the tweaks suggested. and the added confusion of WoC already sets the powerset apart from others.

still, her psi critter would be awesome to have.

and it would be nice if atleast some of the powers had the traditional wobble-psy noise that i have grown a nice love-hate relationship with, if only for synergy with other powers.

penny's power sound fx [and yellow psy-ball] are so different that it hardly *feels* psychic.


 

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I came up with a Psionic Aura powerset, starting with the Stalker version, that has some different takes on a defensive set. But let me take a look at your suggestion separately.

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Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
Mind Over Body - per the willpower set
World of Confusion - per the Blaster Mental Manipulation powerset.
Telekinetic Armor - NEW - a new second armor that provides resistance to energy,negative energy, fire, cold and psionic damage (I figured the devs like holes so I left out toxic resistance)
Indomitable Will - per the fortunata power
Foresight - per the fortunata power
Mask Presence - per the fortunata power
Psychic Awareness - NEW - Basically a Heightend Senses clone
Drain Psyche - per the dominator power in psionic assault
Psychic Overload - NEW - Basically a Strength of Will clone
While it might seem somewhat appropriate to piggyback off of Willpower, I would also recommend avoiding a rehash of the same powers from that set (Mind Over Body, Heightened Senses, Strength of Will). I would also prefer avoiding two powers (I don't otherwise mind the Fortunata rehashes) in order to get the status protection that almost all other melee sets get in one power.

I would get behind Mask Presence as a Hide analogue for the other ATs' versions of the powerset.

World of Confusion might be placed a little early in the set, but I also have it in my set linked above. I don't have Drain Psyche, but I could see it being in my set as either a replacement for Ignore Wounds (a little too Willpower vs. psychic?) or a swap-out for Mirror Images (my Stalker PBAoE Placate power).

For the suggested change by Angelxman81: Compared to Grant Cover in Shield Defense, I don't think Mind Link fits as cleanly into a straight-up armor set versus the support-hybrid Fortunata/Widow Teamwork set.


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Okay, so I've played around with this and run something up, based on my suggestions.

Thematically, I'm imagining this a more "active" psi-themed set than Willpower, which suits a more passive psi-based character concept. I'm imagining a defence and -recharge based set, with minor elemental resists.

Telekinetic Field: (Toggle) Resistance: Psi 20%; Defence: S/L/Psi 25%; Regen: 0; Other: --;

You generate a field of telekinetic force around you to deflect physical objects, providing high defence to smashing and lethal damage; this power also provides resistance to Psionic damage.

Synaptic Field: (Toggle) Resistance: 0; Defence: 0; Regen: 0; Other: Minor Psionic Damage, -10% recharge;

You generate an intense aura of synaptic energy, damaging all enemies in melee range.

Electrolytic shield: (Toggle) Resistance: Psi 25%, e/n/f/c 15%; Defence: 0; Regen: 0; Other: --;

Your mental abilites allow you to generate a powerful shield of neural energy, providing you with moderate resistance to elemental effects, and high resistance to psionic damage.

Indomitable Will: (standard Willpower clone)

Telepathic Aura: (Toggle) Resistance: 0; Defence: 0; Regen: 0; Other: Taunt, recharge -20%;

You generate an aura of telepathic impulses, drawing your enemies attention and inhibiting their ability to fight.

Foresight: (Widow clone)

Drain Psyche: (Dominator clone)

World of Confusion: (Dominator clone)

Psionic Transfer: (Soul Transfer Clone)

Totals (slotted):

smashing : res - 0%; def - 37.5%;
lethal : res - 0%; def - 37.5%;

energy : res - 22.5%; def - 7.5%;
negative : res -22.5%; def - 7.5%;

fire : res - 22.5%; def - 7.5%;
cold : res - 22.5%; def - 7.5%;

psi : res - 90%; def - 52.5%;



Names and numbers need work, obviously. This set would give high s/l defence, moderate elemental mitigation, and capped Psi resists and defence. Regen and recovery would be periodically boosted by Drain Psyche.

Unique drawing points of the set are the -recharge and the confuse in WoC. I've decided an "active rez" power is more appropriate, as I think the defensive numbers are currently quite high. Low DDR is a deliberate weakness of the set.



-Cap


 

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I don't really like the direction people are going with this. I personally think that psychic melee would be telekinetic blows. I want a brand new powerset, new mechanics, etc, if this was to happen. Not much copied.

So my idea. Giant glowy fists or objects that circle the person and lash out at people. The attack powers are generally stunners and part psi, part smashing damage.

For psi defence, I'm thinking some active defence from confusion and an aura with a taunt and a small stun. The set is mostly defence, with a fair bit of res to psi, but not much else and instead of a mind link like power, any res would come from being in a team with a new power that gave 5% res to all damage for every team member in AoE range.


 

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I'm pretty sure Penny is a foreshadow for this becoming an actual set.

If you recall, back when they did the survey that led to us getting Dual Blades, Willpower, and (eventually) Shield Defense, Psychic Melee and Psychic Defense came in second and third respectively.

Penny has a LOT of unique powers, and I find it hard to believe they would create that many unique powers if they never intended on them being anywhere but on an NPC that you don't interact with much.


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But is there ANY other melee or armor set that has a pet associated with it? I cant think of any.


 

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But is there ANY other melee or armor set that has a pet associated with it? I cant think of any.
That would be Penny's signature power. All NPCs have one.

Not going to appear in any potential Psi Melee set. I'd bet on it.


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See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.