I have tested the waters on Freedumb also. I think I am going to have a lolpvp toon there. I don't know about anything else. I went there trying to find content teams as I am so bored with the iTrials and DFBs. Didn't turn out very well.
I also tested out Verchoo... I like it so far, however like Freedumb there are some clueless or at least ignorant people. 2 failed ITFs says it all. I knew going in looking at the team make up we were going to faceplant but I thought "heck it'll be fun to watch".
I have found some nice mid-level content teams and outside of RP, I like the fact that alot of people play concept toons and don't care too much for min/maxing everything. I got in a nice SG, Top 5, non-RPing. Haven't gotten too involved in the SG yet, just kinda watching the dynamics. They are organized and active, which is nice.
Still love Liberty and the people there. I will probably transfer a couple toons to Verchoo but not many as I went there to find teams to level with doing content. My 50s I'm going to pretty leave at home... Liberty.
No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded...
"The potato goes in the FRONT."
I really can't blame you for checking out another server.
Liberty has some truly wonderful people, some brilliant people and a couple that I would prefer never to see/read again.
A few are wonderful and brilliant.
But, for whatever the reason, no more than 6 people seem to want to do a trial in the evenings during the week. It is possible that the 12 minutes of spring fling interfered with iTrials, I dunno. But, not to worry, I too, transferred one toon to Freedom - which revealed HP to be crazy accurate. I was on a BAF and it almost failed, by taking too much time.
Infinity however was both marvelous and...puzzling. No dunderheads that I could see, but all they run is baf and lam.
No MoM, No Keyes, (while I was on anyway) No TPN.
There was one UGT that got ran while I was there. Nobody even checked for clarion, and the league composition had more unshifted than anything else. Needless to say, it failed at the first AV, mercifully.
I think, though, that I may run one or two - or help them - before our MSR. But, I dunno. They don't have that many people there, either.
On Liberty, I can at least recognize who the dunderheads are and avoid them.
I do know one thing - a lot of you need to quit your jobs or something. Not nearly enough vet players on - and nobody seems to want to do the same thing at the same time.
As for me, I am not wasted.
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@Ukase
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Hey if you can get me a day shift job that pays the same (or more) and in the same area than what I'm getting now, I'm all for it
But yeah, when I was lvl'ing up my PB I xfered it to Free"dumb" since the PB was lvl 45ish and just wanted to get it to 50 so that I could never played it again (wanted 1 lvl 50 of each AT but HATE the PB).
Yeah I don't really care for stereotypes but...yeesh...there were some "dunderheads" for sure. I did get a full 8 man team in like 5 minutes though...so...that was nice
And this was a good 1-2 years ago now.Got to 50 w/the PB and have never touched Freedom since.
I really enjoy Liberty since I "know" everyone here and it's been my home for the past 8 years. It is sad to see people go to other, more populated, servers but I can understand it.
For me I am a little burnt out on CoH but also in the whole, "waiting for the next issue to go live so there's something new to do" feeling going on as well.
My schedule is so erratic and trying to "mature" and do the things I need to do and thinking about going back to school to get my BS degree (ugh...)...or what the "next steps" are for me...just...yeah....*shrugs*
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Hey if you can get me a day shift job that pays the same (or more) and in the same area than what I'm getting now, I'm all for it
But yeah, when I was lvl'ing up my PB I xfered it to Free"dumb" since the PB was lvl 45ish and just wanted to get it to 50 so that I could never played it again (wanted 1 lvl 50 of each AT but HATE the PB). Yeah I don't really care for stereotypes but...yeesh...there were some "dunderheads" for sure. I did get a full 8 man team in like 5 minutes though...so...that was nice And this was a good 1-2 years ago now.Got to 50 w/the PB and have never touched Freedom since. I really enjoy Liberty since I "know" everyone here and it's been my home for the past 8 years. It is sad to see people go to other, more populated, servers but I can understand it. For me I am a little burnt out on CoH but also in the whole, "waiting for the next issue to go live so there's something new to do" feeling going on as well. My schedule is so erratic and trying to "mature" and do the things I need to do and thinking about going back to school to get my BS degree (ugh...)...or what the "next steps" are for me...just...yeah....*shrugs* <3 |
I'm not leaving the server - just spending some time on the other one when I can't get a trial here.
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@Ukase
Viva La Liberty!!
I figured I needed to comment on this since im one of pvp'ers that have been spending some time on freedom. A short time ago I spent about 2 weeks straight on Freedom getting my pvp on...and I have to admit that it becomes pretty intoxicating. It's like going up against a constant hoard of EB's lol, and sometimes AV's. Gets your adrenaline pumping.
But...There is something about Liberty. After awhile, you just get called back home. I didn't have the urge to go move my toons to freedom just because of pvp. Even though liberty is at times, barren and freedom is crawling with people...Liberty is still home. Freedom is one of the most commercial servers on the game. Thats annoying. Then the thought crossed my mind to check out exalted, but they now have their own set of problems that i don't wanna deal with. Including just as many noobs as Liberty or any other server. So i guess it comes down to where your heart lies.
So i guess bottom line if there were more pvp'ing Liberty, it would be heaven for me. until that time, Liberty is my home. Freedom is fun to get my pvp fix in. But your family is your family.
@Karmaa
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When I first came back to playing some but before I reactivated my account I created a few toons on Freedom. I can't comment on their iTrial competency since I haven't done any with them yet, but I was able to level up two toons to 50 just running radio missions and tfs with pugs in 3 to 4 weeks of play. Half the groups I joined half the groups I led but only ever ran in to one dumb fire tank on a Sister Psyche tf that thought he could solo all the freaks groups.
I also went to test out zone pvp since that was something freedom was known for, and I was pleasantly surprised with it. At my time of play RV almost always had 4-5 of each hero and villain going at it. That made it so my not-very-pvpish toons were able to at least contribute even if they weren't able to kill anything. So PVP there definitely gets the plus...not for smart players, just for players that actually go to the zones and play.
As for coordination or harder content, it's all about finding the right group. The Freedom TF global channel is decent for finding better than super incompetent PUG groups, and the Starkindred alliance SG/VG does a really good job at working the content and organizing events. @Starkindred is the leader but they have multiple sgs/vgs they run with: http://sba.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx .
What's nice about liberty for this part is that we don't have the influx of bad players you have to sift through, most of them stand out (like me when I super lag and can't do a thing on a LAM) and you know to avoid them. It's a much harder job to hand pick from a large group that you don't know anything about than to tell someone you know to switch to something else to make the team work.
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Originally Posted by Heavenly Perverse
So, I have decided to stay on Liberty, because most of the plp on freedom just irritate me.
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Perhaps you're not up to the challenge of facing other players or SGs that would crush you easily? I think you like being a big fish in a small pond.
Every post in this thread concedes that Liberty has a small population, and this contributes to its lackluster teaming and events. I wonder if Liberty wouldn't be more appealing to more players if they didn't have to worry HP's shenanigans (and those of his ilk).
It's a good thing that Liberty also has outstanding players like Ukase, who take the time and effort to learn, plan, lead, and complete events and Incarnate trials -- not only for their own benefit, but also for the benefit of others. It's players like these that make Liberty appealing to me and many others.
If you attend a school that has 100 people with a jerk population of 20, could be that when you goto a school that now has a 1000 people, scaled up there are approximately 200 jerks. Still that leaves 800 people that are possibly not irritating.
Im not a math guy, but sounds about right to me when discussing the concept of lower pop servers VS higher pop playing grounds.
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It's a good thing that Liberty also has outstanding players like Ukase, who take the time and effort to learn, plan, lead, and complete events and Incarnate trials -- not only for their own benefit, but also for the benefit of others. It's players like these that make Liberty appealing to me and many others.
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Rath, I thank you for the kind words. But, by most accounts, I have been heard to express the opinion of that I was only slightly better than a mediocre blaster.
"Most people that have no idea what they are doing have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese
@Ukase
I know that HP lolPVPs on Freedom and I do as well I find it very fun mainly because of the mass of ppl that try to pvp and then there are those who are decent on the server too so it's a fun balance.
I know Rath you are just raging on here because you got tp'd out from under the map in Warburg and it's ok I think everyone understands. And I don't think anyone is proud of killing your afk farm I personally just find it F'n funny because we know someone will just come rage about it. (Case and Point) 
Ohh and yes Ukase is a great leader and fun to team with!
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Look...I'm not getting into any drama but...
I'm not saying, I'm just saying I beat DarkSideLeague's DM/EA Brute AND HP's Stalker with my Storm/Psy Defender with all SOs in him!
They all were like, "we're going to kill you!" and I was like, "pfft, have a tornado! Watch out for that Lightning Bolt!"
And they died'ed....
*yes all the above is false*
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Voltz, that's kind of you to say. Thank you.
E Ion, Thank you, too. I lol'd.
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@Ukase
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Voltz, that's kind of you to say. Thank you.
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And E Ion lol
sounds like good times.
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Every year or so one of these threads pops up in this section, and most times it turns into a "Our grass is better than yours" debate.. I've logged into Freedom a few times over the course of my CoH career and just about every time I'm left in puzzlement as I log out. Sure the population may be much greater but the quality of friendly players is much, much lower.
Now, I know what you're thinking, "Well he's biased!". and you're not wrong, I like logging into Liberty, the atmosphere is much nicer and the players are much more friendly. We're a small community but we're also known for being one of the nicest servers, nay! THE nicest server around.
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I don't know if any one has conceded anything. I do believe that the population on liberty being smaller than Freedom is a fact. Pretty sure that isn't in dispute.
As far as belittling another player because they attacked you in a pvp zone is well, silly.
I myself prefer Liberty over Freedom, not because im a small fish in a big pond (which i am 
), but because of what E Ion said...People are just more gracious, nice, polite, respectful on this server than freedom. I believe that will be the general consensus on this subject. Everyone dies in pvp, if you never died, well then the devs need to take a look at how it works again....lolpvp...
Always a bigger fish in the sea, no matter who you are, someone, somewhere will always be better, stronger, faster, more agile. Just the way life works.
Liberty as of late seems to actually have gotten abit slower, mainly because of new games coming out, peoples jobs, school etc. But it was around long before I came around and im sure it will last for quite a while longer. Im Grateful for my Liberty com rads and the respect they show eachother.
@Karmaa
Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death. -Sun Tzu
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As far as belittling another player because they attacked you in a pvp zone is well, silly.
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I was also trying to suggest that perhaps Liberty might attract more players, or attract more players to PvP on Liberty, without bad apples that affect our reputation. It takes no skill nor honor to kill unattended bots, or to /petition a GM to get at unattended bots. Those who approve of, or even delight in, such behavior hurt all Liberty players, simply by association. Why even bother with Liberty, or try PvP, if you have to deal with childish crap like that?
I played on Virtue for 7 years, and only recently migrated to Liberty a few months ago. I came to Liberty because of great people like Cinder Frost, Ukase Rex, Project Jade, Mystic Fortune, and many others. I found on Liberty a great little community of players that made CoH fun again.
But players that do the childish, stupid, and down right mean things exemplified by HP, HV, and their pals ruin that community. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling them out for it, if it will help make things better for everyone else on Liberty.
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Originally Posted by High Voltz
I know Rath you are just raging on here because you got tp'd out from under the map in Warburg and it's ok I think everyone understands. And I don't think anyone is proud of killing your afk farm I personally just find it F'n funny because we know someone will just come rage about it. (Case and Point)
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To be clear, let's start out with what I did wrong. I now know and understand that it was wrong of me to exploit a terrain bug to farm bots without risk. I wasn't previously aware that this was considered an "exploit" until after the GM explained it to me. The PvP zones are supposed to entail risk, to justify the rewards associated with those risks. Hiding my bots underground eliminated that risk, allowing me to earn rewards unethically. I have accepted this; consequently, I won't do it again. My bots will always be left in the open from now on, because that's the way it's supposed to work.
Now that I've acknowledged and made clear how I was wrong, let's consider another perspective regarding your actions, and those of HP and the others.
First and foremost, you guys like to hunt and kill unattended farm bots. Technically, there's nothing wrong with that. However, just because something is legally right doesn't make it ethically right. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean that you should do that thing.
As we've already discussed, farmers have to accept the risk of their bots being killed in the PvP zone. However, because the bots are basically programmed to farm themselves, they pose zero risk to anyone else in the zone. So basically, they offer no risk to you, either. Even though it's legally right to kill farm bots, how is it ethically right to do so, when you know they cannot or will not retaliate?
But that's just the rational bit. Let's get to the irrational bit that really bothers me. I hadn't intended to, but I sat and watched you guys try to get at my bots. You didn't go elsewhere in the zone to attack any other players: you were completely fixated on just my bots under the terrain. And when your efforts to get at them failed, you /petitioned a GM for help, and then waited for the GM to arrive after the better part of 2 hours.
In other words, you tattled like a bunch of children. "Mommy! So-and-so is taking candy without permission! *waah!*"
As I admitted, what I did was wrong, and I was reprimanded by the GM. But did you guys really have nothing better to do than snitch and wait for "justice" by the GM? You were ecstatic when the GM finally showed up and ported my bots to the surface. Then the 4 of you jumped right in and destroyed them -- they offered no resistance. Even when the rez bots came back up, you made sure to kill them again, to make sure they ended up in the hospital. Where was there any skill or honor in that?
Even so, I'm still going to ask you a favor. I have no problem with you guys killing my burn bot if you find him in the zone. I accept that risk, and respect you enough to let you play the game the way you want to play it.
But if you kill the rez bots, please let them rez and stay in place, instead of killing them twice to send them to the hospital. It's really annoying to have to move them from there afterwards.
Heck, if you kill the burn bot and leave the rez bots, you can keep killing them every 5 minutes for the reputation/drops for yourself, if you like. I honestly don't care if you do that, because they were created for that purpose. I'll eventually return to take them back for myself: if so, we can then do battle with honor, if you like. I don't mind losing in a fair fight.
The bottom line here is that you guys may complain about the players on Freedom being irritating, but to me, you guys are just as irritating.
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But players that do the childish, stupid, and down right mean things exemplified by HP, HV, and their pals ruin that community. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling them out for it, if it will help make things better for everyone else on Liberty.
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In May of 2010, I came back to this game after an extended absence. I believe issue 6 was the last time I'd played, or had time paid up.
When I returned, there were a few people who were overly gracious in their welcome.
These people, in no particular order, were : @Heavenly Perverse, @It's Me Matt and @HazyGreys (one of his many alts)
Perhaps it's the association with me that lends itself to conflict. At present, as far as I know, each of the three names mentioned has the other two on /gignore.
So, will there now be 4 people with each of the three on global ignore? Or will it be more?
It may not count for much, but I owe a great deal of what I know to @High Voltz
Yes, I agree, he's always in too much of a hurry. I also agree that in "lolpvp" play, he can be ...troublesome. But, he can also be an excellent ally. How does that saying go? If you can't beat them, join them?
Rath, I know if it happened to me, I'd probably be mad enough to sweat blood. Sadly, I haven't yet invested the time in PvP because there are no gains, no real motivation to do it, other than to satisfy a momentary lapse of reason from time to time.
I will be honest - if I were in a pvp zone, looking for an exploration badge, or doing one of those patrol missions, if I saw a couple of "bots", I would look around, and then attack the one that was doing the attacking. If I didn't have any problems with that attack, I would probably send a tell to the other toon/bot. With no response, and the other toon just standing there, I'd probably leave. But, if I came back and it was still there, I'd probably kill it. If I couldn't get to the bots, I'd have tried to target one, and see the global name. Then, I might have left you alone. But that's me.
For people who PvP, they want to PvP. Perhaps creating the grudge will help that to happen. I've no idea.
One thing I am sure of, I sincerely doubt that it was personal.
I understand the anger, I'd be angry too. But, maybe we can just let this go. Honestly, I think you'd like HV and HP if you teamed with them. They're pretty silly and low key, at least in PvE.
"Most people that have no idea what they are doing have no idea that they don't know what they are doing." - John Cleese
@Ukase
Ukase, you've just demonstrated one of the reasons I like you so much.
I'll admit I'm really sore about what happened, but I'll get over it, eventually.
And I'm not trying to go to war with HP or HV: I'm trying to get them to understand a different perspective. It seems to me that they just "don't get it": killing bots is a silly waste of time for everyone involved. It benefits no one, but hurts reputations (theirs and our server's).
However, I do appreciate your efforts at peacemaking. I have been on PvE teams with both HP and HV, and didn't have any problem with them. That's why I was all the more dismayed by their behavior in Warburg -- they were like completely different people. Perhaps that's just the way it is with PvP: maybe it brings out the worst in people.
I'm willing to bury this hatchet with HP and HV. What's done is done, and we can move on. Heck, even after all this, I didn't /gignore either of them. They're more than welcome to to look me up and chat with me, if they wish. And I won't avoid/quit any teams that we may happen to wind up sharing.
Thank you, Ukase, for being the mature one here -- unlike me. :P
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I am not belittling another player because they attacked me in a PvP zone. I was saying that HP might have other reasons/motives for giving up on Freedom. Perhaps he couldn't hack it there, so he's back here with his tail between his legs? I was just speculating on that possibility.
I was also trying to suggest that perhaps Liberty might attract more players, or attract more players to PvP on Liberty, without bad apples that affect our reputation. It takes no skill nor honor to kill unattended bots, or to /petition a GM to get at unattended bots. Those who approve of, or even delight in, such behavior hurt all Liberty players, simply by association. Why even bother with Liberty, or try PvP, if you have to deal with childish crap like that? I played on Virtue for 7 years, and only recently migrated to Liberty a few months ago. I came to Liberty because of great people like Cinder Frost, Ukase Rex, Project Jade, Mystic Fortune, and many others. I found on Liberty a great little community of players that made CoH fun again. But players that do the childish, stupid, and down right mean things exemplified by HP, HV, and their pals ruin that community. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling them out for it, if it will help make things better for everyone else on Liberty. |
Ok well im not going to defend another player on whatever they've done, im sure they are capable of that themselves.
I will say that i do run with hp and hv on occasion. But i have never disrupted a bot farm, for my own personal reasons. I personally have no reason to do it, and honestly don't care who does what lol.
I guess there are two ways of thinking about it:
The fact that it is a pvp zone. PVP zones are pretty much the area where you can place a cross hair on your back once entering, granted liberty isn't very active in pvp, so its a fairly decent place to farm, aka, minimal disruptions. Don't really have to worry about somebody coming across your area, and messing up the money making process. I too have been known to farm from here and there, although I rarely do.
The other that, yes there is one or more bots sitting there, obviously doing a specific job. There should be a sense of respect there for your fellow players. Very understandable in general thinking. Everyone wants to make money, and everyone wants to excel.
Freedom pvp really isn't all that hard. Actually the larger groups of people make it much more enjoyable. But the entire idea of freedom can be quite over whelming with how commercial the server is. Thats one of my reasons for keeping liberty my home. That and what you had stated also, of the great people that also call Liberty home as well. The population may be small, but they are all great people. But that makes it awesome imo, when you know just about everyone on the server, its almost like a big family.
Either way!! I think it can all be fixed, if there is alittle more respect thrown out towards others, and also some understanding thrown out in all directions.
It's now time for some supper. All have a good one.
@Karmaa
Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death. -Sun Tzu
I know that it can seem like a waste of time and tbh I KNOW it is lol but that's what happens when you get bored in a PVP zone on Liberty. We did kill the other ppl that were in the zone and they left. And you logged into another toon and tried to come and kill us so you weren't so "afk" as you deem yourself being. It was really more like a challenge trying to get you out of the map with out that GMs help but eventually someone sent in a petition for you. I know it may not make sense to you either that even though you are afk we find it fun to kill ANYONE in pvp zones AFK or NOT. I appreciate you not "holding a grudge" and I don't hold a grudge against you or any AFK farming ppl I just kill everyone in the zone that isn't on my team if you are AFK it helps me get drops like you too does it not? I mean I know people that AFK farm lower my drop rate too so I have a reason to kill them and that's part of my motive behind killing them.
But you did ask that I leave your rez'n toons alive and from now on I will. Only thing I will ask if you find your toons dead don't forget it's a PVP zone and I don't speak for everyone in my group like you said there were a few of us there.
I will be leaving this subject dead from now on assuming that it stays dead.
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I mean I know people that AFK farm lower my drop rate too so I have a reason to kill them and that's part of my motive behind killing them.
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You lost me right here - how does what one player and his "bots" do impact anything I do on the other side of the map, as far as drops go?
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@Ukase
From what I have been told pvp drop rate is based on a global number not just you....that can be completely false but either way it doesnt matter anyway.
I like to kill AFK farms and it'll happen again but I am not going to send rezers to the hosp.
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I have been playing on freedom for a few weeks now. I would like to discuss the pros/cons of moving your toons to freedom (like I "planned" to do).
It is a very active server and they do a lot of events red side, which you can rarely find on Liberty. lol player vs player is somewhat popular, so if you're like me and like pvp Freedom is the place, not liberty. They have 'ok' pug teams, not the greatest, but then again neither does liberty. You can form a tf/sf at any hour of the day.
here are the cons, its a long list.
A lot of the players are clueless, you'll fail at least 3-14 bafs per week, everyone there thinks that farming is the only part of the game. If you get a tf/sf going you will have at least 8 fire brutes and no debuff. A lot of the pvp'rs think they matter (they do not). Its actually a short list, but freedumb really hods up to its value. Overall and bunch of idiots who somehow manged to create a active population. The only reason I play here is because a few friends do and they play redside.
The reason I believe that so few plp play on liberty is because only a few plp play here, and we reject stupid plp. So, I have decided to stay on Liberty, because most of the plp on freedom just irritate me. ANd Jom would miss me.
Even though Liberty is a small server. I like it, but I also hate it.
Ps, I'm wasted.
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