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As Dreadshinobi said, you definitely do receive the actual hero badge. I have villains-gone-hero who got the Atlas medallion for killing the Freedom Phalanx, and and heroes-gone-villain who were immediately promoted to Marshal for being so heroic.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Incorrect--you keep the bonus that you earn from the accolade when you switch back over, which is a mirror of the hero version. You do not get the hero accolade/badges.
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You obviously misread or didn't read my last post. Also, I said hostility not because you disagreed but because of the way you worded it. Taking from your style, no one cares what you think, there are more important things and this game than an accolade making sense. I don't know, there's this thing called fun. Sorry if you don't play for fun, and you like wasting time, and you like grinding, some of us however would rather just have fun.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Bypassing all that because it's easier for you defeats the whole point.
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Do you? That's dumb. Well then, that should be removed, as that defintiely doesn't make sense.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
You do get the corresponding accolade badge when you switch sides, you just don't get all the prerequisite badges the corresponding accolade requires.
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
You obviously misread or didn't read my last post. Also, I said hostility not because you disagreed but because of the way you worded it.
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Taking from your style, no one cares what you think, there are more important things and this game than an accolade making sense.
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I don't know, there's this thing called fun. Sorry if you don't play for fun, and you like wasting time, and you like grinding, some of us however would rather just have fun.
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No, screw that, I'm not hunting accolades TWICE on every character that side switches.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Do you? That's dumb. Well then, that should be removed, as that defintiely doesn't make sense.
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Pleeeeease do not compare incarnate trials to grinding for accolades. As it stands there are currently 6 incarnate trials which leaves you six paths for obtaining incarnate powers as opposed to accolades where you have "2" and I quote because going redside JUST for accolades (A nearly 4 day process) is even more ridiculous than just doing them blueside. We also know that the devs intend to add more and more incarnate trials, and have been doing so every issue and sometimes half of and issue. As it stands, we are getting a solo path. So your comparison of incarnate trial "grinding" to accolade grinding is unfounded.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
You like to misread things. That's cool. Good for you.
Ah, so mature. You get all personal, when I said nobody cares in a general sense. In other words, the devs don't care. Perhaps I should have worded it more carefully so as not to hurt your feelings? Like how some people hate grinding incarnate trials, but do them anyway to get the powers? |
Not sure I get it, what exactly are you (The OP) proposing?
Do you wish to move some of the current accolades to trials?
If so: Which ones?
OR are you proposing to create new accolades to be gained through trials?
Are there powers or stat gains associated with any of these particular accolades?
OR is this just about accolade badges?
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If you're switching over for badge hunting purposes, you'll still have to get the individual component badges that make up the accolade (unless I'm mistaken), so it's not really that big of a difference. I agree that you should keep your bonus, since you unlocked it, but I think it silly that you automatically get the hero side version of the accolade. |
Originally Posted by Hopeling
No, screw that, I'm not hunting accolades TWICE on every character that side switches.
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
Pleeeeease do not compare incarnate trials to grinding for accolades. As it stands there are currently 6 incarnate trials which leaves you six paths for obtaining incarnate powers as opposed to accolades where you have "2" and I quote because going redside JUST for accolades (A nearly 4 day process) is even more ridiculous than just doing them blueside. We also know that the devs intend to add more and more incarnate trials, and have been doing so every issue and sometimes half of and issue. As it stands, we are getting a solo path. So your comparison of incarnate trial "grinding" to accolade grinding is unfounded.
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I'm glad you brought up the solo path. The reason we are getting that is because (surprise) people who wanted to solo wanted to have a chance to become incarnates. Perhaps if your idea was about solo accolades, your argument would have a leg to stand on with this comparison. But it isn't, and it doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Remaugen
Not sure I get it, what exactly are you (The OP) proposing?
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Glad someone without an understanding of anything being said spoke for me. Firstly nowhere did I say one trial unlocks anything. I'm simply proposing that most if not all accolades are incorporated into current and or future trials NONE of which have to be incarnate trials but a series of trials specifically for current accolades as an alternative route to the 1 or 2 we have in place. If you needed me to clarify for you, you should ask instead of making unfounded conclusions which speaks to your own comprehension.
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Glad someone without an understanding of anything being said spoke for me. Firstly nowhere did I say one trial unlocks anything.
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Id rather have to complete all incarnate trials than those extremely dull tfs.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
you want these things to unlock after completing each one once. Kind of like the Task Force Commander
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
I'm simply proposing that most if not all accolades are incorporated into current and or future trials NONE of which have to be incarnate trials but a series of trials specifically for current accolades as an alternative route to the 1 or 2 we have in place. If you needed me to clarify for you, you should ask instead of making unfounded conclusions which speaks to your own comprehension.
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Look this turning into an uneccessary flame war. I respect your opinions and I have stated that accolades are currently easy and I have setvaside farms to gain them, this still does not take away from the one and only reason i dislike them which is boredom.
I'm going to add in my vote for "no" and "this suggestion doesn't make a lot of sense." Strictly looking at the hero accolades for examples, the accolades are obtained for performing specific in-game tasks. Task Force Commander, for example, is all about completing each of the Freedom Phalanx task forces. The reason is for you to experience that content. Whether we feel the task forces are boring or not is irrelevant (but I do agree, they all need updating). The reason still stands; the devs gave us a reward for seeing and completing all that content, and the in-game story for such an accolade is that you completed each of these "difficult" tasks the Freedom Phalanx tossed at you, earning you the Task Force Commander accolade. I do no see how it makes any sense that, as a secondary route, for you to earn such an accolade by completing the unrelated Incarnate Trials. That content has nothing to do with the Freedom Phalanx task forces and has all of its own in-game accolades associated to those accomplishments.
Also, something like Task Force Commander is nearly set in stone as the Freedom Phalanx task forces were in the game before the accolades were. But, the Incarnate Trials? We are having one added with every issue and nearly every half issue, with a long way to go with 5 as-of-yet unlocked incarnate slots. In your suggestion, how do you account for new trials added? Do we take away your accolade until you fulfill the "new" requirements of now having to have completed the Diabolique trial when it comes with Issue 22? There's a lot of holes in this suggestion.
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I did address all of this, but it probably got lost in all of the fuss. For one, the accolades aren't to be tied to ALL trials present and future, nor are all accolades necessarily to be included. Simply put, most if not all accolades are to be tied to specific tasks via trials, whether that be incarnate trials or future trials as an alternative route to obtaining them. |
Originally Posted by flipside
I'm going to add in my vote for "no" and "this suggestion doesn't make a lot of sense." Strictly looking at the hero accolades for examples, the accolades are obtained for performing specific in-game tasks. Task Force Commander, for example, is all about completing each of the Freedom Phalanx task forces. The reason is for you to experience that content. Whether we feel the task forces are boring or not is irrelevant (but I do agree, they all need updating). The reason still stands; the devs gave us a reward for seeing and completing all that content, and the in-game story for such an accolade is that you completed each of these "difficult" tasks the Freedom Phalanx tossed at you, earning you the Task Force Commander accolade. I do no see how it makes any sense that, as a secondary route, for you to earn such an accolade by completing the unrelated Incarnate Trials. That content has nothing to do with the Freedom Phalanx task forces and has all of its own in-game accolades associated to those accomplishments.
Also, something like Task Force Commander is nearly set in stone as the Freedom Phalanx task forces were in the game before the accolades were. But, the Incarnate Trials? We are having one added with every issue and nearly every half issue, with a long way to go with 5 as-of-yet unlocked incarnate slots. In your suggestion, how do you account for new trials added? Do we take away your accolade until you fulfill the "new" requirements of now having to have completed the Diabolique trial when it comes with Issue 22? There's a lot of holes in this suggestion. |
Let's take Geas for Example. Instead of going through Croatoa hunting Jack, etc etc, there is a trial set up where you must defeat both GMs as deal with Mary, all the while fighting off the minions of Croatoa. It seems quite a bit more exciting than just hunting and running khtf. Maybe even keep the KHTF after, but i'm just giving an idea.
It seems TF commander is the only one that wouldn't "make sense" which is the least of my worries in a game where I play for F - U - N! But regardless it doesn't have to be included. Just fix those extremely boring repetitive TFs.
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Your original post, every post since then save for this one, and even the thread title are proposing that incarnate trials be used as the alternate route to get this accolades. I admit that my reading comprehensive fails sometimes, so I went back through each post since this is a short thread. Every suggestion you've made has been to make incarnate trials be the alternate path for these. That, in and of itself, makes no sense to tie it to any other accolade in the game. Incarnate content has its place and doesn't make sense to tie it to unrelated content. If that wasn't the intention of your suggestion, I think the thread needs to be retitled and the OP be updated.|
Originally Posted by AresSupreme
I did address all of this, but it probably got lost in all of the fuss. For one, the accolades aren't to be tied to ALL trials present and future, nor are all accolades necessarily to be included. Simply put, most if not all accolades are to be tied to specific tasks via trials, whether that be incarnate trials or future trials as an alternative route to obtaining them.
Let's take Geas for Example. Instead of going through Croatoa hunting Jack, etc etc, there is a trial set up where you must defeat both GMs as deal with Mary, all the while fighting off the minions of Croatoa. It seems quite a bit more exciting than just hunting and running khtf. Maybe even keep the KHTF after, but i'm just giving an idea. It seems TF commander is the only one that wouldn't "make sense" which is the least of my worries in a game where I play for F - U - N! But regardless it doesn't have to be included. Just fix those extremely boring repetitive TFs. |
Now, if you are saying that they institute a new task force or trial whose contents satisfy the entire needs of an accolade when it is completed, now we have a suggestion that sorta works. However, that new task force or trial better be equal in time and effort needed to the "original route" to get said accolades, otherwise you are creating an imbalance.
I'd also like to touch on the topic of "playing for fun", as you've said it several times in your posts:
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Id rather have to do ten different trials for accolades than get them in the current boring fashion. After your 30th toon it kinda just becomes silly.
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[...]I don't know, there's this thing called fun. Sorry if you don't play for fun, and you like wasting time, and you like grinding, some of us however would rather just have fun.
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Originally Posted by AresSupreme
I did address all of this, but it probably got lost in all of the fuss. For one, the accolades aren't to be tied to ALL trials present and future, nor are all accolades necessarily to be included. Simply put, most if not all accolades are to be tied to specific tasks via trials, whether that be incarnate trials or future trials as an alternative route to obtaining them.
Let's take Geas for Example. Instead of going through Croatoa hunting Jack, etc etc, there is a trial set up where you must defeat both GMs as deal with Mary, all the while fighting off the minions of Croatoa. It seems quite a bit more exciting than just hunting and running khtf. Maybe even keep the KHTF after, but i'm just giving an idea. It seems TF commander is the only one that wouldn't "make sense" which is the least of my worries in a game where I play for F - U - N! But regardless it doesn't have to be included. Just fix those extremely boring repetitive TFs. |
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Title says it all. I feel the current system in place is a bit dated. Having to complete specific incarnate trials for accolades would be more appealing and less grindy to players. It seems adding this to new or current itrials would go more with what we are doing currently in CoH
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As to your Croatoa idea, I don't think it would be worth the Dev's time. To make up a whole new trial *just* to get a badge a little faster? And undermine some of the badge hunting content they already have? And to invent new lore for it, unless you want it to make no sense, of course...they have better things to do than rehashing old content. Like fix old bugs and make new content. Unless, of course, they decide to revamp some of the older task forces like they did to Posi. I could totally get behind that.
I am for it!
I say make a new accolade that grants another bonus to HP/END if you complete the current iTrials that aren't Baf/Lam 
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The OP is taking way too much heat here, imo. I notice that's a common thing when people make suggestions on this board- It somehow seems to offend people who disagree. As for the actual suggestion, I wouldn't mind if we got new trials specifically for accolades, but I also think it would take up a lot of Dev resources that would be better spent on other things, like giving me the rest of my incarnate slots. 
I like badges - can I get all the pvp ones from doing incarnate trials?? Cuz I think pvp is boring!
Just saying....
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
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Just speaking for myself here, but I'm not offended at all, but I do disagree with the suggestion being made. I have responded with what I feel is wrong with the suggestion, and pointed out flaws and inconsistencies in the OP's idea. That is all. If that is being seen as offensive or harsh, I did not mean it as such. Tones never travel well across the internet.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
The OP is taking way too much heat here, imo. I notice that's a common thing when people make suggestions on this board- It somehow seems to offend people who disagree.
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I disagree. Nobody has been "flaming" the OP. I suppose I would be the target of your words, but I have been simply pointing out the lack of coherence of his suggestion, and the lack of sense it makes in general.
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Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
The OP is taking way too much heat here, imo. I notice that's a common thing when people make suggestions on this board- It somehow seems to offend people who disagree.
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I see the problem. I should have said "trials" not itrials. I have just grown to call all trials itrials but i'm referring moreso to the trial format.
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An appropriate analogy would be to get them in a different method involving PVP and taking a similar amount of time. Is it possible to make a suggestion without 30 people making assumptions founded in nothing as i never said the trials would take less effort or time.
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Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
I like badges - can I get all the pvp ones from doing incarnate trials?? Cuz I think pvp is boring!
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If we have misunderstood you, the fault lies in your inability to get your idea across clearly. Anyhow, now that we understand the what and the how, perhaps you can provide us with the why? You'd need to convince the Devs this alternative of yours makes sense and is worth their time, and wouldn't undermine their current system.
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An appropriate analogy would be to get them in a different method involving PVP and taking a similar amount of time. Is it possible to make a suggestion without 30 people making assumptions founded in nothing as i never said the trials would take less effort or time.
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Well that is one problem with folks understanding the suggestion, but you've openly been referring to the "trials" as incarnate trials, not iTrials, in most of your posts in this suggestion:|
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I see the problem. I should have said "trials" not itrials. I have just grown to call all trials itrials but i'm referring moreso to the trial format.
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Without removing the current method it would be nice to have an alternative, which never hurt anyone. I personally don't see why anyone would be opposed to it. The thought came to mind recently when I ran an accolade team and thought "hmm, this system seems very dated" and it is. I mean , the old tfs are tedious. Look at citadel same exact map over and over and over. Id rather have to complete all incarnate trials than those extremely dull tfs. Itrials are fun and forgive me for playing a game for fun, I realize thats just not the case for some people. Also having itrials as an alternative still allows lowbies to obtain the accolades.
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An appropriate analogy would be to get them in a different method involving PVP and taking a similar amount of time. Is it possible to make a suggestion without 30 people making assumptions founded in nothing as i never said the trials would take less effort or time.
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1) I think the original PvP analogy is correct, assuming he based his thoughts on allowing incarnate trials to count for non-incarnate accolade requirements as was originally posted. Getting PvP badges for doing non-PvP content is a perfect analogy to this; you were suggesting to allow incarnate content count towards completion of non-incarnate accolades. Seems spot on to me.
2) Our assumptions are based off of your posts and information you are providing us on your suggestion. If we are leaping to conclusions that are incorrect, we are getting that from you. Your suggestion needs to be clear and concise. It doesn't have to be bullet-proof, but it has to put us all on the right track to understanding what your suggestion entails.
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Incorrect--you keep the bonus that you earn from the accolade when you switch back over, which is a mirror of the hero version. You do not get the hero accolade/badges.