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Some prices may go up, some may go down, and some people will probably make a lot of INF riding the wave of transition from the current market status quo to whatever the market is going to become. But a year from now when everything is settled down again there will be various cheap things and various expensive things all over again and ultimately very little will be different about the market as a whole.

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Hmm, invest say 2M for the Kinetic Combat KD, spend 3 Enhancement Converters to get one of the other 4 with an average resale of say 65M, for a profit of around 21M per Enhancement Converter. Arcannaville and I will be doing something else that in her words "produces hundreds of millions of inf in value per converter token on average". Do you still disagree?


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What a lovely, lovely idea. I fully endorse this.


Then again, I'm one of those odd players who keep whatever recipes or salvage I can use and sell the rest.

What this sounds like to me is that anything could be a potential big moneymaker depending upon when I sell it, simply because someone else would like to gamble with it for an even bigger possible profit.

You know, that doesn't sound bad to me.


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Hmm, invest say 2M for the Kinetic Combat KD, spend 3 Enhancement Converters to get one of the other 4 with an average resale of say 65M, for a profit of around 21M per Enhancement Converter. Arcannaville and I will be doing something else that in her words "produces hundreds of millions of inf in value per converter token on average". Do you still disagree?
I was nabbing the Kinetic Combat KD recipe for 100-500k in bulk and AE tickets can be used for the rare salvage to craft them, so the profit margin is actually significantly higher than your projection- Assuming the selling rate for the other pieces in the set stay the same. % profit is more the name of the game for me- The Kin Combats are essentially "turning water into wine" and it requires almost no up front investment whatsoever.


 

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I was nabbing the Kinetic Combat KD recipe for 100-500k in bulk and AE tickets can be used for the rare salvage to craft them, so the profit margin is actually significantly higher than your projection- Assuming the selling rate for the other pieces in the set stay the same. % profit is more the name of the game for me- The Kin Combats are essentially "turning water into wine" and it requires almost no up front investment whatsoever.
Assuming you could get the recipes for literally zero, my guess is the profit margin from this type of activity is about 25 million inf per converter. That's far lower than other strategies can potentially generate.

However, as with all market strategies, the key is to do what no one else is doing. And 25 million per converter is 250 million per hero merit, which is better than you can normally convert a hero merit into otherwise so its not a total disaster. The real problem as I see it is I've always seen the market for Kinetic Combats to be fragile. Some players really want them for their builds and will bid them up. But the number of players and builds that use them is not high, and a slight oversupply can significantly drop the bids on them: I've seen those fluctuate wildly over time from being ultra expensive to worthless and back again. You may have difficulty finding enough people to buy hundreds of them, assuming no one else attempts this strategy at all.

The big issue with converters is that you need to find not a bunch of stuff that is expensive, but a *concentration* of stuff that is expensive that increases the odds you can land on them with a converter. And such concentrations exist in only a very few places.

But as I said, the important thing is to not just do good things, but do good things no one else is doing. That's not easy. I've been thinking about this for quite some time, and I did manage to locate what I believe to be the two optimal strategies for using these. Given that Topdoc is using both, and also responsibility for actually kicking me out of one of them with his marketeering muscle, that suggests that its very likely what I think was optimal is probably very optimal, and that optimal strategy generates a lot more than 100 million per converter.

The optimal strategy also involved starting before everyone started talking about it.


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Some prices may go up, some may go down, and some people will probably make a lot of INF riding the wave of transition from the current market status quo to whatever the market is going to become. But a year from now when everything is settled down again there will be various cheap things and various expensive things all over again and ultimately very little will be different about the market as a whole.

I've already made more billions than I'll ever use - I'm not going to let it bother me much either way...
I bought over 100 sleep recipies(purp) for about 1 mill each.

I bought abought 150 pvp ios. I plan on converting them all to procs for all my toons(40ish)

I will never market again and I wont need to. Every toon i have is done now and any toon i want to make I can pimp immediatly!(about 5 toons after what i already have done)


I also got rid of all my pvp proc in bins and made over cap about 10 times.

I think prices will plummet. Cause since i have 100s ov pvp ios from my buying and what i had from before. And 10s of thousands of merits. I will sell them all for about what ever market will bear. Whcih means I am gonna crash the market. And I knwo I am not alone since sleeps went from 1 million to 100 million in about 2 weeks since news really got out.;


 

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I bought over 100 sleep recipies(purp) for about 1 mill each.

I bought abought 150 pvp ios. I plan on converting them all to procs for all my toons(40ish)

I will never market again and I wont need to. Every toon i have is done now and any toon i want to make I can pimp immediatly!(about 5 toons after what i already have done)


I also got rid of all my pvp proc in bins and made over cap about 10 times.

I think prices will plummet. Cause since i have 100s ov pvp ios from my buying and what i had from before. And 10s of thousands of merits. I will sell them all for about what ever market will bear. Whcih means I am gonna crash the market. And I knwo I am not alone since sleeps went from 1 million to 100 million in about 2 weeks since news really got out.;
A hundred sleep recipes for one million each in the last month? That's ... interesting.

Edit: hmm, that now seems improbable. When precisely did you buy all those purple sleeps?


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I've actually found Kinetic Combats to be pretty darn good ways to make inf, sometimes EXCELLENT ways. There are times [when the Signature Arc came out and everyone was rolling in Hero Merits, frex] when the price drops down, but I don't remember it being particularly low since they upped it from "Smashing Defense" to "Smashing, Lethal, Melee all in four slots".

For me, seems like there are a lot of builds that could use them and [this is the big point] could use four or five of them per build. Adding nearcapped S/L to a build that isn't normally defense-based adds a LOT of survivability.

Are Kin Combats the best way to use your converters? I doubt it, but a set with five items where three are currently 50-150 million is about the best case outside purples and PVPs that I can think of.


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I'm not saying Kinetic Combats are the most profitable or even one of the best options, but the fact is that the amount of investment that they take is so minimal that the profit % is going to be high. I'm not worried about obtaining converters assuming they can be purchased with Astral Merits, which I believe they can- I haven't been doing beta testing... On Freedom especially, Astral Merits grow on trees. I have ridiculous amounts stockpiled on my main already anyways, and getting more is a joke.


 

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I have stocked up on a bunch that I think will have a big sale turn around and if not then I can use them on my alts. I have plenty of purple sleep and others as well that I bought cheap. I started buying pretty much when I heard about the converters sometime around Thanksgiving. I have also stocked up on other low end recipes in other purple, PVP sets that may turn a big profit. One I know will have a big turn around, by still looking at the market today.

If not those IO's I can use on the plenty of alts and new ones I make.


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A hundred sleep recipes for one million each in the last month? That's ... interesting.

Edit: hmm, that now seems improbable. When precisely did you buy all those purple sleeps?
About 35 days ago now i guess. I was watching the internet broadcast of the conference they had a while back when they were announced. I went onto the game and bought them immediatily.

I also got into the cheap targeted aoe pvp ios
the cheap pbaoe pvp ios.
and some cheap confuses-but they seemed to proce out very earlt like the first night so i only got like 10

once i had over a hundred of each i stoped. Just cause i couldnt see spending 5 mill for a sleep purple io.

Seems stupid now since they are soooo high now.

Remeber before posi made the announcement these things were dirt cheap.

If you can find the date. of that video thats when i did it.


 

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Its a risk. At the time i had no way to know how the market would go. And at the time it was unclear if you would have to pay for converters.


Since this announcement they have made it so they drop from kills, u can use merits, astral merits, emp merits, h/v merits so there are several ways to get them.

Also the weight of the rolls is still not set. So who knows how we will do.

It was just at the time so worth the risk. As it is i made 60X my investment already. I have even depated dumping them slowly incase. But i still have plenty of loot so i can wait.


 

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A hundred sleep recipes for one million each in the last month? That's ... interesting.

Edit: hmm, that now seems improbable. When precisely did you buy all those purple sleeps?
One of the first things I did when I logged in from my break was check all the long term market stuff I set up, and was happy to see that the sleep purples I had for sale sold for 17-20mil and I bought and crafted them for less than 2mil.

Looking at where they are now, I'm QQing on the inside.


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Clearly if a few people are claiming a strategy that generates hundreds of millions per converter and converters are used in 3s for in set conversions then the IOs must be selling at 400m+ and multiple IOs in the set must be selling for that high.

This indicates pvp IOs and purples. Everyone already knew that, so is it possible there is some other group that has multiple conversion targets that sell at 400m+ ?


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I've been figuring that "any purple"+ 1 or 2 converters = 200 or 300 million after the dust settles. Get the purples for 10-50 million and boom, a hundred million or so per converter.

My thought process about converting purples was like this. The first thing that came to mind was in-set converting the ragnarok proc- That seemed like the only guaranteed profit to me, but those have tripled in price since converters were announced and I wasn't quick enough. Other than that, it's too much of a gamble for me. Sure, you can convert a sleep purple and hope for an Armageddon, but what's to say you won't get an immobilize? And what's to say that immobilize won't turn into a hold, and etc. etc. I'd rather concentrate on something that is a sure thing, which is why I settled on Kinetic Combats.


 

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My thought process about converting purples was like this. The first thing that came to mind was in-set converting the ragnarok proc- That seemed like the only guaranteed profit to me, but those have tripled in price since converters were announced and I wasn't quick enough. Other than that, it's too much of a gamble for me. Sure, you can convert a sleep purple and hope for an Armageddon, but what's to say you won't get an immobilize? And what's to say that immobilize won't turn into a hold, and etc. etc. I'd rather concentrate on something that is a sure thing, which is why I settled on Kinetic Combats.
Don't forget that converters cost inf too - so your more modest profit will get eaten up more than the larger gambles.


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I played with them enough on test as they are currently working.

I will take that risk and so will you.

go to test if you havent