Who do we look up to now?
Me.
Be well, people of CoH.
![](http://pages.suddenlink.net/dmweb/sig1.jpg)
![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
|
They said Up, Bill, not Down
![]() |
Serious answer to the OP, probably the rest of the Phalanx as a unit.
They'll all work harder to get over their own various flaws.
Or to look at it another way, Statesman was never the Pinnacle of Virtue you've described him as, and everyone in Paragon will just move on.
Be well, people of CoH.
![](http://pages.suddenlink.net/dmweb/sig1.jpg)
Wait... what? You're telling me that eating babies isn't virtuous? Oh crud.
|
Anyhow, I am asking this from an in-game perspective and a game-mechanics one as well. The whole "should they kill him?" debate has been done a dozen times and better than I would do here, but if the reason for it was to make our characters stand out more and be the real heroes, how will that be accomplished in-game? Just fighting things isn't enough to really be a symbol for the heroic side.
Est sularis oth Mithas
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
|
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
|
Nemesis, of course.
I kid.
The actual answer is: Blue Steel, and any other hero who agrees to submit to democracy and the rule of law by only using his or her powers against other human beings under the color of law, subject to the legal process and chain of command, any super who becomes a police officer or a soldier instead of a vigilante.
Statesman's heart was in the right place, and he loved America, but his support for the Citizen's Crime Fighting Act, and all of the horrific fallout of that catastrophic legal mistake, showed just how little he understood what America means. Replacing American government and the rule of law with an incarnate theocracy, where anyone with an FBSA rating above 40 is treated as a god, as a force of nature, instead of being treated the same way any other citizen would be treated who used force against another person, was a monstrous crime that deserves to be remembered right alongside all of the times that he saved the world.
Why Flambeaux of course.
I thought the point of all this was to remove the unreachable icon hero status from the game and give players the lead.
Well, if it's one of those won't-stop-crying ones sitting behind you on a plane, then maybe...
Anyhow, I am asking this from an in-game perspective and a game-mechanics one as well. The whole "should they kill him?" debate has been done a dozen times and better than I would do here, but if the reason for it was to make our characters stand out more and be the real heroes, how will that be accomplished in-game? Just fighting things isn't enough to really be a symbol for the heroic side. |
I ran the 5th SSA last night on +4/x8 w/bosses and got beat down multiple times. Did BAB come help out? No. Ms Liberty? Mynx? Nope. They sat in that bar while I hit the tunnels on my own.
Bunch of lazy, good for nothing drama queens. *I* got the job done. *I* put the fear of me into Wade. And I shouldn't be a symbol for anything but "dudes that like a good fight."
Be well, people of CoH.
![](http://pages.suddenlink.net/dmweb/sig1.jpg)
Adolphe Menjou.
Seriously. Adolphe Menjou had the greatest mustache of the silent film era. How can you not admire the guy?
Nemesis, of course.
I kid. The actual answer is: Blue Steel, and any other hero who agrees to submit to democracy and the rule of law by only using his or her powers against other human beings under the color of law, subject to the legal process and chain of command, any super who becomes a police officer or a soldier instead of a vigilante. Statesman's heart was in the right place, and he loved America, but his support for the Citizen's Crime Fighting Act, and all of the horrific fallout of that catastrophic legal mistake, showed just how little he understood what America means. Replacing American government and the rule of law with an incarnate theocracy, where anyone with an FBSA rating above 40 is treated as a god, as a force of nature, instead of being treated the same way any other citizen would be treated who used force against another person, was a monstrous crime that deserves to be remembered right alongside all of the times that he saved the world. |
Registered Heroes are ALREADY bound by the same laws as Police officers. That's the entire point of Hero Licences.
I honestly cannot tell whether you are being serious or totally ignorant.
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
|
And I was going to volunteer for the job....
Oh, well, someone beat me to it. But, honestly, would you really want the job? No downtime, never five seconds to yourself. Everywhere you go it's "can I have your autograph" or "can you get my cat out of a tree" or "pardon me, but there's a giant meteor heading our way. could you do something about that please?"
More seriously.
Statesman will still be available as an icon. Assuming that he does not return to the main game, he will become part of the game lore alongside Galaxy Girl, Dauntless, Atlas, The Illustrated Woman, the Omega Team and the other fallen heroes that are already established parts of game lore.
There will probably be statues, and days of mourning, and, eventually, a "Statesman's lost briefcase" taskforce where we get to track down the one and only reliable map to the well of the furies complete with instructions and an estimate of how much dynamite he felt was needed to get rid of the thing once and for all.
I suppose you can look up to me if you like. I'd really prefer if you just throw money.
Writer of In-Game fiction: Just Completed: My Summer Vacation. My older things are now being archived at Fanfiction.net http://www.fanfiction.net/~jwbullfrog until I come up with a better solution.
I thought the point of all this was to remove the unreachable icon hero status from the game and give players the lead.
|
If the point of this is to let the players take the lead, how exactly do we do that? Have us punch bigger things? I would expect more.
Est sularis oth Mithas
By making sure the PC the hero in the story and not the NPCs temporary sidekick.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
I say they're setting it up for Recluse to have some sort of epiphany, see the error of his evil ways and take up the mantle of his fallen friend.
The upshot of this is, of course, that we will never get Statesman's cape.
That's pretty much what I understood, yeah. But consider things for a moment from the PoV of a civilian in the game, or another comic universe. I have said to friends a couple of times that while Superman isn't my favourite character, if I was in trouble-- real, end-of-the-world trouble-- I would be much more relieved to see Superman than, say Green Arrow.
If the point of this is to let the players take the lead, how exactly do we do that? Have us punch bigger things? I would expect more. |
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
I'm not entirely sure that there needs to be a symbol at all. Matter of fact, I don't think that there should be.
I ran the 5th SSA last night on +4/x8 w/bosses and got beat down multiple times. Did BAB come help out? No. Ms Liberty? Mynx? Nope. They sat in that bar while I hit the tunnels on my own. Bunch of lazy, good for nothing drama queens. *I* got the job done. *I* put the fear of me into Wade. And I shouldn't be a symbol for anything but "dudes that like a good fight." |
Est sularis oth Mithas
Yeah, I get what you're saying and can agree, but I am just wondering about the in-game effect. Your own character is the #1 guy when you play, which is fine. when I first started playing all those years ago, my initial feeling toward Statesman was irritation that I would never be able to reach his (or any other signature character's) level. I have no problem with taking the lead, or anything. I just wonder if the people of Paragon will even notice, or if we'll have the option (for those who want it) to really fill his shoes (boots?) in a more substantial way than fighting, or roleplaying in our heads.
|
/shrug
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Who do we look up to now? |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
So with States gone, who is a shining example of all that's good? Sure we have people who we can hope to emulate in terms of power and ability, but who is the moral centre now? Who is the heart of Paragon?
States was our Superman, the guiding force, the one that, no matter how bad things got, if you as a civilian saw him arrive on the scene, you knew you were going to be saved and everything would be ok. Now, of course, there are plenty of heroes who can save the day, but there is no one person to exemplify the ideals of the heroic side.
I understand the desire to kill him off. I do. I know that with the introduction of Incarnates, we are intended to really become the pre-eminent heroes of the CoH universe. But, frankly, the game still doesn't allow it the way it would for an NPC. No matter how many pedestrians walk by and say "Character X fought the Tsoo and saved that news reporter!", we will never have our characters go accept medals from the president, or even the mayor. We'll never hold press conferences. We'll never give speeches before dozens of the next generation of heroes. We'll never stand on a dais, sharing our wisdom to help someone level up.
No matter how you might feel about Statesman as a player, the everyday people of Paragon should sleep a little (or a lot) less comfortably now.
So given that we are supposed to become the biggest and the best of all heroes, who amoung us will stand up to be a Paragon of Virtue? And will the game really allow anyone to notice, beyond a few random pedestrian remarks?
Est sularis oth Mithas