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(As a related side note, go to Google maps. Ask for walking directions from "The Shire" to "Mordor".)
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I did that last night at D's suggestion during our Shadowrun game - and yes, it's set in Seattle 2072. Oh, the possibilities...
Seriously, if someone were to make movies that tell the Lord of the Rings trilogy in that setting, that I would pay good money to see.
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Looking good!
Although I haven't read The Hobbit in a year or more but...I thought Gloin was a part of the 12 dwarves, Gandalf + Bilbo....am I remembering wrong?
The only thing that kind of threw me in the trailer was when they had Gandalf naming all the dwarves...it seemed like they were kind of doing it so fast, just felt cheesy in some way...*shrugs*
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Also wondering how much, if any, the movie(s) will touch on Gandalf and the White Council fighting off Sauron in the woods. 
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Know JRRT ME pretty well and have been eager to see what PJ has been up to.
I have followed the Vid Diarys of production and knew that the end result would be fantastic. Couple pts to those not in the groove:
2 Movies comprised of the Hobbit and material included as Appendix's in the LOTR.
Movie 1 is reported to end after the Eagles rescue.
Movie 2 should begin with the company meeting Beorn.
As for critiques to PJ's adaptation of LOTR, lets collectively acknowledge that the most perfect adaptation of LOTR would be basically an audiobook. The "medium" determines how any narrative is presented to an audience; Some things work great in one medium and cannot be as potent in another.
I feel PJ did a incredible job w/ the LOTR adaption as movie, despite the near-unfathamible change in TT w/ Faramir...still do not understand that jarring deviation from the core narrative and what purpose did it serve...if I ever have a chance to sit down w/ PJ and Fran, I would dive deep into this...but I digress.
The Hobbit is being filmed in unique 3d process at 48 frames a sec and should blow everyone away with clarity of images and the new tools in the form of adjustable 3d techniques developed by those mad scientist over in NZ. What I cannot wait to see is the renders and voice of Smaug. Though we probably have to wait a year for that chance at another Mag 1k stun.
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I feel PJ did a incredible job w/ the LOTR adaption as movie, despite the near-unfathamible change in TT w/ Faramir...still do not understand that jarring deviation from the core narrative and what purpose did it serve...if I ever have a chance to sit down w/ PJ and Fran, I would dive deep into this...but I digress..... |
I agree; really enjoyed the LotR movies but the one thing that I hated was Faramir's different stance compared to the books.
*shrugs*
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Indeed. I was bothered by that and the presence of elves at Helm's Deep.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
I agree; really enjoyed the LotR movies but the one thing that I hated was Faramir's different stance compared to the books.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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From what I remember Elves did come to help them at Helm's Deep.|
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Indeed. I was bothered by that and the presence of elves at Helm's Deep.
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Now the thing is, as far as I can remember, it wasn't "300 (humans/Rohans) vs 10,000" with 5,000 elves coming like it said in the movies, it was more like 5,000-6,000 Rohans vs the 10k orcs.
Then some more re-inforcements came (humans and elves) making it close to like 6,000-7,000 vs 10,000.
Also, Rohan's king left like 1,000 men to help guard Edoras as a "just in case Sauroman doesn't come to Helm's Deep."
That's from what I remember; again haven't read the books in a while.
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Hmm, just looked at wikipedia (yes, yes...) but it seems I was wrong about the whole thing...hmm...how do I make that stuff up?
*needs to read the books again*
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Looking good!
Although I haven't read The Hobbit in a year or more but...I thought Gloin was a part of the 12 dwarves, Gandalf + Bilbo....am I remembering wrong? The only thing that kind of threw me in the trailer was when they had Gandalf naming all the dwarves...it seemed like they were kind of doing it so fast, just felt cheesy in some way...*shrugs* |
Gandalf introduced (in order):
Fili, Kili,
Oin, Gloin,
Dwalin, Balin,
Bifur, Bofur, Bombur,
Dori, Nori, Ori
and Thorin.
Oh, and it's 13 dwarves, including Thorin. iirc, the book made a point that one of the reasons Bilbo was included was so it wouldn't be an unlucky thirteen.
I think the dwarves' introductions were done so quickly for the trailer's sake. I don't think it would be that fast in the actual movie.
Edit: Oh and Sylvester McCoy (the 7th Doctor) will play Radagast the Brown!
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IIRC, Elladan and Elrohir show up right after the battle in the book. Perhaps that fuzzy recollection along with the promptings of the movie corrupted your memory.|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
From what I remember Elves did come to help them at Helm's Deep.
<snip> Edit: Hmm, just looked at wikipedia (yes, yes...) but it seems I was wrong about the whole thing...hmm...how do I make that stuff up? *needs to read the books again* |
In my opinion, the battle at Helm's Deep was symbolic of the strength of Men (racially speaking), feeding into the ongoing theme of the rise of Men (and subsequent waning of other races) heading into the new Age. Having the elves at Helm's Deep took away from this theme.
In a similar symbolic vein, Faramir was supposed to show that Man could have the strength of character to rise above temptation. I feel that movies really mucked all that up (though overall I still enjoy them).
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Gloin was included, he was the one who was covered in webbing (apparently from the spider scene in Mirkwood.)
Gandalf introduced (in order): Fili, Kili, Oin, Gloin, Dwalin, Balin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Dori, Nori, Ori and Thorin. Oh, and it's 13 dwarves, including Thorin. iirc, the book made a point that one of the reasons Bilbo was included was so it wouldn't be an unlucky thirteen. I think the dwarves' introductions were done so quickly for the trailer's sake. I don't think it would be that fast in the actual movie. Edit: Oh and Sylvester McCoy (the 6th Doctor) will play Radagast the Brown! |
Ah okay thanks
It just felt like "Snow White and the 7 (in this case 13) dwarves" with "stupid/silly" names...when it was going through them so fast...and with one of the scenes showing one of the dwarves tossing plates and setting the table so fast... >_>
So yeah, I hope you're right about that!
Hooray for Radagast!
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IIRC, Elladan and Elrohir show up right after the battle in the book. Perhaps that fuzzy recollection along with the promptings of the movie corrupted your memory.
In my opinion, the battle at Helm's Deep was symbolic of the strength of Men (racially speaking), feeding into the ongoing theme of the rise of Men (and subsequent waning of other races) heading into the new Age. Having the elves at Helm's Deep took away from this theme. In a similar symbolic vein, Faramir was supposed to show that Man could have the strength of character to rise above temptation. I feel that movies really mucked all that up (though overall I still enjoy them). |
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
and with one of the scenes showing one of the dwarves tossing plates and setting the table so fast... >_>
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
It did look good. I was a massive fan of the LotR trilogy, even though, in hindsight, they did mess up a few bits (Eowen is NOT a wilting flower who's obsessed with Aragorn, for petes sakes. Why did they cut the bit of her stabbing Orcs in the glittering caves? *sigh*) and making Gimli a comedic while Legolas turned into action-elf.
Looking forward to this.
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I believe in one of the documentaries they say that Frodo and Sam needed an obstacle at the end of the movie, and that was the reason for the change in Faramir (which I hated as well). I also think (just my opinion) that it was done to make Aragorn seem more exceptional in his resistance to the ring. |
Originally Posted by Razawere
I feel PJ did a incredible job w/ the LOTR adaption as movie, despite the near-unfathamible change in TT w/ Faramir...still do not understand that jarring deviation from the core narrative and what purpose did it serve...if I ever have a chance to sit down w/ PJ and Fran, I would dive deep into this...but I digress. |
I was also not a big fan of the elves at Helm's Deep, especially because one of the reasons seemed to be that they needed some sort of impact by killing off a character, but since none of the mains could die they needed a second tier character to off.
But the change that annoyed me the most was Merry and Pippin tricking the Ents into helping. The Ents were ancient and wise, and realized that they would eventually be affected by the events going on. They weren't tricked by someone saying, "Hey, let's go left instead of right!"
All in all, though, I loved the movies, and can't wait for the next two. I would have liked to see what DelTorro would have done with them, but I'm never going to complain about having PJ return to Middle Earth.
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So we'll probably see:
Hobbit part1 dvd, blue-ray, blue-ray/dvd/dc set
Extended editions of each.
Hobbit part2 repeat above.
Hobbit 1 and 2 collectors set.
Re-release of LoTR series with even more extras!
And Complete collectors editions of both dvd and blue-ray sets!