The Problems with pre-tinting costume pieces

I agree.

Lol as if it matters. They aren't really listening. You think they care?

They claim they want feedback, but they do so that we the customer think that they care. They don't. They will keep churning out the things they want when they want, flaws, bugs and no forthought and all. They will only stop when the game dies. The powers that be do not care about their customers. They only give the illusion that they care.

The creators can see that the costume piece don't match, or color correctly, or clip....or whatever they still send it live. Just like all other bug filled parts of the game. They make just good enough so the needed amount of people will spend money on it. Once 1 more person spends money past the break even then they get profit. Its a hell of lot easier to target for 55% satisfaction and make 10 items then try for 100% and have only 2 items made in the same time.

Now since those gloves are half ***** can you price them at 600 points. That way we can support your future costume pieces that won't please everyone and we can get another thread just like this but for the newer shinies.

Most of my toons just run around like little streakers because of this. I should just name all my toons streaker____ till it's fixed.

The Steampunk pack was the first and only booster pack that I didn't buy, because I wanted to let my (lack of) purchase speak against the excessive pre-tinting (along with my feedback on the forums about it).
If the artists want to include pre-tinting, they really should make duplicate options: one with pre-tinting and one without.

Absolutely agree 1000-fold on the pre-tinting thing, although I would much prefer to have a check/uncheck box for the pre-tint option, especially so that it would/could coordinate those pre-tint colors across ALL costume pieces...now THAT would be hugely exciting. I already can spend hours in the costume creator designing/saving looks, can't imagine how much more time I would spend if I was able to select pre-set tints to match across all costume parts...ZOMG!

PS, here's a few pics to illustrate the difficulty in trying to match other costume pieces to the colors of the steampunk backpack - inevitably, I end up saying out loud to my computer, "Why can't there be a "texture options" button/drop down menu?"

I don't know how many times I've totally scrapped a design concept because all the costume parts couldn't be "rusted" or "metallic" or "battle-damaged", etc. Why can't I have metallic bird legs or tiger head? Why can't the celestial costume pieces be battle-damaged? Why can't I have a rusty robot?

Totally agreed.

I've bought the last few costume packs (the guilty parties mentioned in this thread) and I've found that I barely use them because I can't get them to blend with other pieces.

I was excited to gain access to the Celestial packs recently then growled in frustration when I found that again, they've been pre-tinted. Please, customisation is one of the biggest selling points of this game. Pre-tinting pieces so that they don't blend in with anything else is like shooting yourself in the foot.

For what it's worth, I'm now guarding my points carefully and I won't be buying any new ones if they appear to have yet more pre-tinting on them.

Seriously, pretinting is the worst part of CoX for me. The fact that it's utterly unnecessary and counter-productive and the opposite of what every customer wants makes the fact that it ever happened at all utterly mind-boggling.

I saw the announcement elsewhere that "going forward" a non-pretinted option will be be available for everything. This is -- finally -- excellent news.

It's also not enough. All previously pre-tinted costume pieces MUST be stripped of their pretints OR an alternate non-tinted option MUST be given.

It's great that "going forward" the designers will -- finally -- be doing the right thing with this, but it doesn't help anyone who's already purchased completely unusable pieces.

I'm going to base my post on a single assertion: The entire point of buying new costume pieces for our characters is so that we are able to realise a broader variety of concepts or realise our existing concepts better. What we want to realise, however, is specific to each player, and thus a costume piece is the most useful if it fits the desires of the most players.

Given this assertion, it's hugely counter-productive to pre-tint costume pieces in any way. While this may enhance their appeal a little bit, it limits their usability a great deal, thus limiting the number of things they can be used for and limiting the number of people who have a use for them. It is, in pretty unambiguous terms, a mistake.

I ask you this - when was the last time you saw a player using a full set of anything? Because every time - EVERY TIME - I've given costume advise to people, it has always included the line: "Don't use full set anything." Once upon a time, people said about the Valkyrie and Enforcer sets that they look TERRIBLE if you use the whole sets (and they do), and that the sets were instead designed to be used sparingly and with other sets, with which they actually interacted very well. This lesson seems to have gone by the wayside, as now people appear to be expected to use a full set as they have purchased it, and the pieces in that set are only ever designed to work with each other in the colouring the artist expected players to use.

This is a mistake. Expecting players to use what is effectively a model swap is simply bad design in a system famed for its customizability. Expecting players to use a model swap without even being able to pick their own colours is just inexplicable. I hope David manages to get through to the artists and convinces them to stop pre-tinting their costumes.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I was not impressed with Zwillinger defending "their artistic vision" on Ustream today. It's defending pre-tinting, and thus, defending the end of mix-and-match... which is an obscenely BAD IDEA.