Better to start slotting for IO set bonuses now, or later?


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I'm a level 30 SS/Inv Brute. I wanna know if I can start slotting for specific set bonuses now, or should I wait until I'm level 50. I know that the main enhancement buff won't be as strong as when I hit level 50 and start slotting level 50 IOs (I think the difference is 3%), but I wanna know if I'll softcap just as quickly with 35 IOs as I would with 50 IOs. I wanna know because I wanna start working on my build now rather than later, but I don't wanna sacrifice any percentages.


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I don't see why not. From what I understand... level 30 IOs give you the same amount as a level 50 SO, so I really doubt you'll lose all that much to begin with.

If you're still not sure, however... I think Mids lets you pick the level of enhancements to slot... so you can slot the IO sets and SOs and compare numbers pretty easily.

*edit* My only real problem with slotting IO sets outside of the 47-50 range is the extra cost when you want to upgrade those later. But if you can afford it, I say go for it.


 

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How do I change the levels in Mid's? That will help me a lot. Thanks.


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I always start slotting Io set bonus early, especially around 30's if its for survival.

With you being Invul then some of the main set bonus you will want for survival cap at 35 and 30 anyway (kinetic combat, eradication, steadfast)

I really like having my toons slotted up around 32, if at 50 I really decide that I like this toon then I will usually respec and replace lower level Io's if I want to and store the lower IO's in my base for my next toon.

This also works for changing up some builds, my current /energy brute is using alot of kinetic combats early on to softcap S/l. My level 50 build lets me shift around quite a bit to replace those Kinetic combats with recharge sets and still be softcapped.


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How do I change the levels in Mid's? That will help me a lot. Thanks.
When you are selecting a IO, hover your mouse over the IO, then you can type in whatever level you want, if its too high a range for that IO it will default to the max level. Then click on that IO and it will set it at that level


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I have more than one build that I put together to mal down. They use a lot of lvl 25 and 27 IOs. You give up a little, but in return, you get to keep bonuses down to lower levels.


 

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I often start slotting sets in the mid-25's or so. Due to the rate of scaling for I/Os, you'll often end up at or close to the ED cap even with the mid-level ones. To help visualize, here are the enhancement numbers for a single-aspect IO at the different levels:

15 - 19.2
20 - 25.6
25 - 32.0
30 - 34.8
35 - 36.7
40 - 38.6
45 - 40.5
50 - 42.4

If you consider level 30 to be roughly the half-way point for I/Os, you gain ~15% going from 15 - 30, but only ~8% from 30 - 50.

I say make your leveling life easier (assuming you're not the type that races to 50 via AE farms) by slotting sets at 25+. Once you get to 50 you can easily replace one or two in each set to reach ED values if you're not already there.

Edit: To clarify, these numbers are for schedule A enhancements, but the ratios are the same for all of them I believe. The numbers were taken from Paragonwiki.

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancement


 

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Originally Posted by Rock_Crag View Post
*edit* My only real problem with slotting IO sets outside of the 47-50 range is the extra cost when you want to upgrade those later. But if you can afford it, I say go for it.
In a lot of cases, the performance difference between level 33-35 set pieces and level 50 set pieces is fairly minor, so I'm generally not compelled to upgrade everything. I have plenty of level 50 characters who have several sets whose pieces are oddly dispersed through the 30s and low 40s. When I do bother to upgrade, the earning power of a level 50 and the relatively large number of recipes available of almost all the standard sets at level 50 makes the inf cost manageable, to me. The time cost to swap everything out is less trivial, though if I were in the habit of doing so regularly I'd probably buy the two extra enhancement trays.

That's assuming you'd be swapping out the lower-level pieces for higher-level, of course, and not just over-writing them. I like recycling those on future alts whenever I can.


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The time cost to swap everything out is less trivial, though if I were in the habit of doing so regularly I'd probably buy the two extra enhancement trays.
Those trays are worth their weight in GOLD.


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Those trays are worth their weight in GOLD.
I read about this once before while sitting at work like Im doing now. Where is that option...market?


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In my experience the slightly higher values you can get by slotting level 50ish IOs just don't make that much of a difference compared to the advantage of being able to exemplar down to 30 and retain virtually all of your set bonuses. There are some exceptions: obviously you use level 50 common IOs, and if you're frankenslotting a power you might as well use 50s anyway since there are no bonuses to lose. In general though every good set has a minimum level of at most 30 and the convenience of being essentially full strength for most content you'd exemplar for is too good to pass up. This is truer than ever with the signature story arcs.


 

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Originally Posted by Wrecks View Post
How do I change the levels in Mid's? That will help me a lot. Thanks.
For a single enhancement after you click the set you want just type in the level number then click the piece you want to slot. Mids will continue to slot at that level until you change it. If the piece is not available at that level it will slot at the maximum available.

You can also set the default level in the options in Mids (Options > Configuration - Enhancement & View tab under Inventions.

You can change all slots to a level by clicking Slots/Enhancements > Set all IOs to...

I usually slot mids at 35 for planning purposes and try to slot in the low 30's to low 40's as much as possible. Having those set bonuses kick in in your 30's is very nice if you regularly exemplar down.


 

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Those trays are worth their weight in GOLD.
How small do the extra trays make the level numbers appear???

I recall when they changed WW, the enhancement numbers were so small I had to wear two pairs of reading glasses at the same time to read the level numbers. My hubby thought I looked like a space alien.

This fear is why I have not bought any yet.

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In my experience the slightly higher values you can get by slotting level 50ish IOs just don't make that much of a difference compared to the advantage of being able to exemplar down to 30 and retain virtually all of your set bonuses. There are some exceptions: obviously you use level 50 common IOs, and if you're frankenslotting a power you might as well use 50s anyway since there are no bonuses to lose. In general though every good set has a minimum level of at most 30 and the convenience of being essentially full strength for most content you'd exemplar for is too good to pass up. This is truer than ever with the signature story arcs.
Lisa reads post and nods her head. This. I have taken a toon all the way to 50 with level 33 IOs slotted and had absolutely no problems...finding the recipes in the correct range though..that was a chore.

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The extra trays actually increase the size of the enhancement window rather than making the enhancements smaller so you don't have to worry about that. They're freaking expensive but the QoL improvement they provide is so ginormous I personally had to go for it. You've clearly got my number, Paragon Studios.


 

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The extra trays actually increase the size of the enhancement window rather than making the enhancements smaller so you don't have to worry about that. They're freaking expensive but the QoL improvement they provide is so ginormous I personally had to go for it. You've clearly got my number, Paragon Studios.
Then, I will get these trays..might wait until/if they go on sale though....hmm..Paragon Developing People, putting these on sale might be a great Christmas present

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Forget Christmas...putting these on sale would make a good Thanksgiving present. Thanksgiving is a holiday to give thanks for all the blessings in our lives. Putting these on a Thanksgiving sale would show thanks to us customers for giving the game such a wonderfully long run, and us customers buying them would put cash into the game which would make the bean pushers smile.

Just an idea.


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If you don't mind all the running back and forth between Wentsworth and your base's workbench, then go for it. I'd highly reccomend it, actually. Science Origins can be fine too but in the end are really expensive, so you may as well just get the Set bonus IOs.



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Originally Posted by McCharraigin View Post
How small do the extra trays make the level numbers appear???

I recall when they changed WW, the enhancement numbers were so small I had to wear two pairs of reading glasses at the same time to read the level numbers. My hubby thought I looked like a space alien.

This fear is why I have not bought any yet.

Lisa-Curious
It keeps the Enhancement window about the same size horizontally, but makes it a little taller, because it puts each tray onto a tab, both for the game UI and the slotting window.

I've found it insane, since I can buy IO's/recipes en masse, and store them on the toon while waiting for that last bubble for 3 more slots. Respecs to strip/alter toons get me nearly 1/3 of the IO's if I want to save them (30 out of 98 slots at 50, not counting Prestige Sprints or the joys of Kheldians). And, when going through AV heavy TFs (RSF/STF, et alia) my tray never gets full... so while not much, it's a little bit more cash there too.

Was the best purchase I made off the market. Looking at the Salvage and Recipe increases as well, but think I'll be smart for now and wait for a larger cache of points/for them to go on sale.


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