As I posted in another thread further down. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=276287
I did test on the Practice Dummy in RWZ. My toon was a Demon Pain. But I did not use any of my Pain buff powers. All I did was pretty much summon the pets and upgrade them and let them loose on the target dummy. The pets usually have Blood Mandate set slotted in them. I did have endurance drain but the pets kept fighting. The Tier 2 pets did not have the endurance issue that the T3 Prince did. But regardless both kept on fighting for 8 minutes. I cannot think of any steady nonstop fight your going to have for 8 minutes. Even as chaotic and hectic the Prisoner escape phase might be in BAF even then you have some slight lull moments and regardless that is not an 8 minute fight.
So trust me the last thing I want to do is come here and give the indication I am looking have a debate or fight or heated discussion of any sort. But someone needs to really show me what they are talking about. I think even a picture along with a build and a bit of what was going on to get the drain.
Do incarnates matter ? Maybe because I have cardiac ? Maybe it some undocumented advantage. Maybe they did some updates recently but just didn't mention it. I have no clue honestly. But I would just slot them normally unless someone can show otherwise about this drain.
1. Why Soft Cap is Important : http://dechskaison.blogspot.com/2011...important.html
2. Limits: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Limits
3. Attack Mechanics: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
4. Rule of Five: http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Rule_o...e_Law_of_Fives
Its all your cardiac incarnate. Huge end reduction for your pets. I love it myself, makes my demons skinless energizer bunnies with horns that spit fire.rawr!
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Leveling up my Demons/Thermal I found that slotting the pet defense/resistance auras makes a HUGE difference in their survivability.|
Originally Posted by Preakness
I guess my question would be if anyone had a demon/thermal build they could post so I could look and get an idea what to shoot for and slot for. I've read that demon/thermal is a solid build but i seem to be having a hard time keeping them alive in mishs at 42 so I assume, as is usually the case, its my fault 8D.
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In terms of tactics my normal fight strategy was as follows:
1. Order the DP to move into the middle of the group and then order him to attack the boss or a particularly troublesome minion/Lt (ordering him to move first stops them from scattering and the attack order controls who he holds).
2. Order the Ember Demon and Hellfire Gargoyle to attack a Lt near the group center
3. Order the Demonlings to attack a minion (preferably one relatively central to maximize their cones)
4. Use Char either on the boss (to stack with the DP's hold) or on a second Lt/Minion
5. Start lobbing Fireballs.
6. ???
7. Profit.
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Originally Posted by plainguy
Do incarnates matter ? Maybe because I have cardiac ? Maybe it some undocumented advantage.
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I notice in your referenced post that you mention the Demon Prince hovering around 10%. I suspect (based on my experience) that if you monitored his powers carefully you'll notice that he doesn't use certain powers (primarily his AoE sleep). Based on my somewhat unscientific testing if the DP has a single endurance reduction slotted (which is what a Cardiac is roughly equivalent to) then he has enough endurance to run his basic attack chain (including his hold) but will still run low on prolonged fights and have to stop using his AoE sleep. Adding a second endurance reduction enhancement (or adding 1 if you are relying on Cardiac) will enable him to use his sleep power more often in long fights. On a team this doesn't make much difference but solo it's actually a pretty useful power to take some enemies out of the fight while your demons wait for their AoEs to recharge.
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Level 50 Natural Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Thermal Radiation
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Chill Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Summon Demonlings -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(3), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(3), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), BldM'dt-Acc(5)
Level 1: Warmth -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(11)
Level 2: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21), RctvArm-ResDam(50)
Level 4: Cauterize -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(13), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(27), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Dct'dW-Heal(34)
Level 6: Enchant Demon -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 10: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(15), Zephyr-ResKB(15), Clrty-Stlth(42)
Level 12: Summon Demons -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(17), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(17), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), BldM'dt-Acc(19)
Level 14: Plasma Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(21), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(33), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam(39)
Level 16: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(23), Zephyr-ResKB(23), LkGmblr-Rchg+(36)
Level 18: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(25), Zephyr-ResKB(25)
Level 20: Acrobatics -- KBDist-I(A)
Level 22: Thaw -- ImpSkn-ResDam/EndRdx(A)
Level 24: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(29), EndRdx-I(29)
Level 26: Summon Demon Prince -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(31), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(31), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), BldM'dt-Acc(33)
Level 28: Forge -- RechRdx-I(A), ToHit-I(33)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(34), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), LkGmblr-Def(36)
Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Heat Exhaustion -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(37), RechRdx-I(37), RechRdx-I(37)
Level 38: Melt Armor -- ShldBrk-DefDeb(A), ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb(39), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(39), ShldBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(40), ShldBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(40), ShldBrk-%Dam(40)
Level 41: Ice Blast -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(42), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(43), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(46)
Level 47: Hoarfrost -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal(50)
Level 49: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(46), P'Shift-EndMod(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
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@Otelo, @Otelo.
Its not dead, Its Just Resting.
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Certainly, the cardiac alpha would help the endurance usage of the pets. Also, in an 8 minute battle, the ember demon will use his heal aura and single-target heal. Pet damage IOs should cover the demons attacks. It is the non-damage abilities that drain down the end on the lieutenants between level 32 and the cardiac alpha slot.
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
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You could at least soft cap Smashing/Lethal damage >.>
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Originally Posted by Otelo
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.952
http://www.cohplanner.com/ Click this DataLink to open the build! Level 50 Natural Mastermind Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning Secondary Power Set: Thermal Radiation Power Pool: Speed Power Pool: Leaping Power Pool: Leadership Ancillary Pool: Chill Mastery Villain Profile: Level 1: Summon Demonlings -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(3), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(3), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), BldM'dt-Acc(5) Level 1: Warmth -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(11) Level 2: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(7), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21), RctvArm-ResDam(50) Level 4: Cauterize -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(13), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(27), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(27), Dct'dW-Heal(34) Level 6: Enchant Demon -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(43) Level 10: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(15), Zephyr-ResKB(15), Clrty-Stlth(42) Level 12: Summon Demons -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(17), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(17), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), BldM'dt-Acc(19) Level 14: Plasma Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(21), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg(33), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(36), RctvArm-ResDam(39) Level 16: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(23), Zephyr-ResKB(23), LkGmblr-Rchg+(36) Level 18: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(25), Zephyr-ResKB(25) Level 20: Acrobatics -- KBDist-I(A) Level 22: Thaw -- ImpSkn-ResDam/EndRdx(A) Level 24: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(29), EndRdx-I(29) Level 26: Summon Demon Prince -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(31), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(31), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), BldM'dt-Acc(33) Level 28: Forge -- RechRdx-I(A), ToHit-I(33) Level 30: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(34), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(34), LkGmblr-Def(36) Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment -- EndRdx-I(A) Level 35: Heat Exhaustion -- Acc-I(A), Acc-I(37), RechRdx-I(37), RechRdx-I(37) Level 38: Melt Armor -- ShldBrk-DefDeb(A), ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb(39), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(39), ShldBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(40), ShldBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(40), ShldBrk-%Dam(40) Level 41: Ice Blast -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(42), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(43), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(43) Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(46) Level 47: Hoarfrost -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal(50) Level 49: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A) ------------ Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A) Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46) Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A) Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(46), P'Shift-EndMod(50) Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A) Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A) Level 1: Supremacy Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A) Level 4: Ninja Run Code:
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Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
TY all for the responses and information. Also thank you for posting a build.
You could at least soft cap Smashing/Lethal damage >.>
Do you have any suggestions how?
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Psy, by any chance could you post your current Demons/Thermal build? I'm actually curious to see how you slotted things.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
Certainly, the cardiac alpha would help the endurance usage of the pets. Also, in an 8 minute battle, the ember demon will use his heal aura and single-target heal. Pet damage IOs should cover the demons attacks. It is the non-damage abilities that drain down the end on the lieutenants between level 32 and the cardiac alpha slot.
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This is what I am still angling to. I haven't broke down and bought the golgi's for Summon Demons, I have a generic heal and generic end reduction IO in there.
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SummonsAnAlien: Level 50 Natural Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Thermal Radiation
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Chill Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Summon Demonlings -- SvgnRt-Acc/Dmg(A), Acc-I(3), Acc-I(3), Dmg-I(5), Dmg-I(5), SvgnRt-PetResDam(7)
Level 1: Warmth -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Dct'dW-Rchg(15)
Level 2: Fire Shield -- S'fstPrt-ResKB(A), Aegis-Psi/Status(11), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(13), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(13), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(29)
Level 4: Lash -- Acc-I(A)
Level 6: Enchant Demon -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Cauterize -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(15), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(17), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Dct'dW-Heal(19)
Level 10: Plasma Shield -- ResDam-I(A), ImpArm-ResPsi(19), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(21), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21)
Level 12: Summon Demons -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23), HO:Centri(23), HO:Centri(25), HO:Golgi(25), HO:Golgi(27)
Level 14: Hover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Winter-ResSlow(27)
Level 16: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 18: Hell on Earth -- C'Arms-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), C'Arms-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(29), C'Arms-Acc/Rchg(31), EdctM'r-PetDef(31), C'Arms-+Def(Pets)(31), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(33)
Level 20: Fly -- Frbd-Fly(A)
Level 22: Crack Whip -- Acc-I(A), AirB'st-Acc/Dmg(33)
Level 24: Thaw -- ResDam-I(A)
Level 26: Summon Demon Prince -- EdctM'r-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Dmg-I(33), P'ngTtl-Acc/Slow(34), P'ngTtl-Dmg/Slow(34), P'ngTtl-Acc/EndRdx(34), P'ngTtl-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(36)
Level 28: Forge -- AdjTgt-Rchg(A), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(36), AdjTgt-ToHit(36), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(37), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(37), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(37)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- Ksmt-Def/EndRdx(A), Ksmt-ToHit+(39), Krma-ResKB(39)
Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(39)
Level 35: Heat Exhaustion -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(40), Acc-I(40), Acc-I(40), EndRdx-I(42)
Level 38: Melt Armor -- ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb(A), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(42), ShldBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(43), ShldBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(43), UndDef-DefDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(43), UndDef-DefDeb/EndRdx(45)
Level 41: Flash Freeze -- CSndmn-EndRdx/Sleep(A), CSndmn-Acc/Rchg(42), CSndmn-Acc/EndRdx(45), CSndmn-Sleep/Rng(45), CSndmn-Acc/Sleep/Rchg(46)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), RedFtn-Def(46), RedFtn-EndRdx(48), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(48)
Level 47: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx(50), RechRdx(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- P'ngS'Fest-Stun%(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(48), EndMod-I(50)
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 4: Ninja Run
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
Thanks a bunch. Yeah, the Golgi are horrifically expensive.
Now, I did have a couple of questions:
1) Why slot the Demonlings the way you did? I notice you only have the two Sovereign's Rites in there
2) I assumes the Call to Arms in Hell on Earth are for set bonuses, yes?
3) Does the Pacing of the Turtle in the Demon Prince seem to make a difference in his slows compared to pre-slotting Pacing?
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Originally Posted by Issen
Thanks a bunch. Yeah, the Golgi are horrifically expensive.
Now, I did have a couple of questions: 1) Why slot the Demonlings the way you did? I notice you only have the two Sovereign's Rites in there 2) I assumes the Call to Arms in Hell on Earth are for set bonuses, yes? 3) Does the Pacing of the Turtle in the Demon Prince seem to make a difference in his slows compared to pre-slotting Pacing? |
2)Yes, I was going especially for the recharge set bonus so that the big debuffs have a shorter recharge.
3) I am not sure what you mean by pre-slotting Pacing. I selected PotT mainly because the IOs enhance acc, dmg, slow, and end reduction (the biggest feature I was driving for), with the foursome to get the accuracy set bonus for mastermind abilities like crack the whip, heat exhaustion, and melt armor.
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Psylenz FF/Psi, ArticQuark Storm/Rad, Symon BarSisyphus Bots/psn, Max VanSydow Thugs/Dk, Cyclone Symon Bots/stm, Blue Loki Ice/Cd, Widow 46526
HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
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Oh, I meant before you were the right level for Pacing of the Turtle.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
1)Right, I could have slotted them for more IO set bonus. This slotting shows how I slotted them inexpensively with IOs to get them to max Acc/Dam 90% and then adding the IO bonus as the sixth slot.
2)Yes, I was going especially for the recharge set bonus so that the big debuffs have a shorter recharge. 3) I am not sure what you mean by pre-slotting Pacing. I selected PotT mainly because the IOs enhance acc, dmg, slow, and end reduction (the biggest feature I was driving for), with the foursome to get the accuracy set bonus for mastermind abilities like crack the whip, heat exhaustion, and melt armor. |
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You don't have to worry about the upgrade endurance usage until level 32 and the next abilities your demon prince gets. Before level 32 just slot for accuracy and damage.
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Originally Posted by Issen
Oh, I meant before you were the right level for Pacing of the Turtle.
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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
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Why not frankenslot four ACC/DAM, the PetRes and have a free slot? Maybe a bit more expensive, but not horribly so.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
1)Right, I could have slotted them for more IO set bonus. This slotting shows how I slotted them inexpensively with IOs to get them to max Acc/Dam 90% and then adding the IO bonus as the sixth slot.
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That's a valid point. My demonlings usually have six slots before I get to level 20 to maximize their output. I could respec out of the slot into... something |
Originally Posted by Icelock
Why not frankenslot four ACC/DAM, the PetRes and have a free slot? Maybe a bit more expensive, but not horribly so.
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Psylenz FF/Psi, ArticQuark Storm/Rad, Symon BarSisyphus Bots/psn, Max VanSydow Thugs/Dk, Cyclone Symon Bots/stm, Blue Loki Ice/Cd, Widow 46526
HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.
As indicated I searched and found a lot of threads that contained info on the demon/thermal combination and I did read them. There were some things they mentioned, like slotting the prince and gargoyles for end reduction and to slot for the slow on the demon prince.
My question is how much of these do you need to slot for. I tried to search for builds, and I know my searchfu is pathetic at best, but all the builds I found the link was dead on or didn't contain a code block my mids would open. I've opened other builds from other AT forums so not sure what the issue is.
I guess my question would be if anyone had a demon/thermal build they could post so I could look and get an idea what to shoot for and slot for. I've read that demon/thermal is a solid build but i seem to be having a hard time keeping them alive in mishs at 42 so I assume, as is usually the case, its my fault 8D.
Any help would be really appreciated.