Please make Lore Incarnate pets non-transparent!


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So, Lore pets. They're pretty cool. I like 'em. What I don't like is that they're transparent and have cob-webby looking auras around them.

I'm playing a robot guy. He summons warworks. Ideally, I'd like to say he lifted some schematics from a Clockwork factory in Praetoria and can now summon one or two on his own. Except they're all ghostly and misty and stuff. So he is basically summoning robot ghosts (or ghost robots, i dunno), which sounds ridiculous.

Most of the Incarnate stuff I can pass off as "upgrades." My robot guy glimpses into the Well of Furies and receives insight into tech advancement, letting him supercharge his internal batteries and shoot electricity(ionic judgement), or beef up his arm cannons (musculature alpha slot) etc. but there's no getting around Ghost robots (or robot ghosts).

So please, for god's sake, just make the damn things solid. If somebody wants to say "Yeah it's a memory of a defeated foe from the Well," they can still do that! Arachnos themed characters can say "Yeah this is my back up squad. they're real Arachnos because they're not see-through and ghosty." Natural-based characters can just say "Yeah these are my buddies who are real and not some crazy ghost memory thing." Mutant characters can say "These are actual mutants/beasts I've called, not phantasms of a transdimensional source of cosmic energy." And tech characters can say "These are actual robots I built and not undead mechanical spectres."

The big problem a lot of people seem to have with the Incarnate stuff is that it forces an aspect of Lore onto their toons. It's why so many people are calling for more judgement powers because thematically, the four existing choices are really limited.

So just make the damn things solid, okay? no more robot ghosts (or ghost robots).


 

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My main is tech-themed as well, and I got around the Lore pets being "Essences" by saying that he built a miniature hard-light holographic projector that enables him to create extra allies into battle should he need it.


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It'd be nice if it were a customization option. Some people have concept reasons for wanting them to be shimmery and transparent, some have concept reasons for wanting them to appear solid.


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I would also be perfectly okay with a transparent/non-transparent option, but figured that would require more work then simply using the default non-ghostly models.


 

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I'm all for the option, so /Signed. My MM main is the same, using pilfered and adapted robots. My Crab Spider would simply be summoning Arachnos reinforcements, etc.


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With the advent of non-Praetorian Lore pets (some time ago), I'm in complete agreement. The less out-of-place Incarnate powers look, the easier they are to write in as our own powers.


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/signed for an option to allow us to have non-ghostlike Lore pets.
It should be a player option for the way they look.

For instance they make little sense in the case of Tech characters using "ghost clockwork" and the like.


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I really have to question how some of these decisions get made in the first place.

"Our game's big selling point is making a 100% customizable character! And now you have to take this power that fits into our definition of the lore instead of your character concept!"

"Hey, is it easier to just have them summon existing models, or to tweak the models so they're transparent and add ghostly auras to them? Easier to just leave the models as is instead of changing them? Hey let's change them!"

What are you guys thinking.


 

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I dunno.

I mean, I'm all in favor.

Some stuff is just easier to work around than others.

My villainous Earth/Icy dom summons the astral projections of some allied Vanguard sorcerors, but my Arachnos characters would rather call in actual backup.


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I really have to question how some of these decisions get made in the first place.

"Our game's big selling point is making a 100% customizable character! And now you have to take this power that fits into our definition of the lore instead of your character concept!"

"Hey, is it easier to just have them summon existing models, or to tweak the models so they're transparent and add ghostly auras to them? Easier to just leave the models as is instead of changing them? Hey let's change them!"

What are you guys thinking.
I could be wrong, but I think the history is actually that... With the initial selection of Lore Pets (It was, what... only four branches? And all Praetorian NPCs), the ghostliness was added in during beta to actually help
them fit into the concept. I am not sure if they planned to have them transparent or if it was something that came about due to feedback during beta.
Don't get me wrong... I, personally, feel that all of the Incarnate Powers break this aspect of the beauty of open customization vs. shoehorning all of our concepts into one specific path within the lore.

However, I believe that the ghostliness was actually a successful attempt at helping (as having straight-up normal-looking Praetorian NPCs as your henchmen was weirder than ghostly images from the well...).

Anyway...

I would LOVE to see non-ghostly pets since there is a wide selection available now.


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All these people complain about the Incarnate system stepping all over their backstory, but then they go and poop all over the dev's stories by RPing their Lore powers as something other than a power granted by the Well. Hypocrites!

Also, I want this suggestion.


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I really have to question how some of these decisions get made in the first place.

"Our game's big selling point is making a 100% customizable character! And now you have to take this power that fits into our definition of the lore instead of your character concept!"

"Hey, is it easier to just have them summon existing models, or to tweak the models so they're transparent and add ghostly auras to them? Easier to just leave the models as is instead of changing them? Hey let's change them!"

What are you guys thinking.
Very well put.

I don't believe all this superstitious "Well of Furies" rubbish that some heroes have been spouting recently. I've just been getting better at using my science-derived atomic transmutation powers.


 

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All these people complain about the Incarnate system stepping all over their backstory, but then they go and poop all over the dev's stories by RPing their Lore powers as something other than a power granted by the Well. Hypocrites!

Also, I want this suggestion.
You can't poop on something that is already in itself poopoid >_> Just saying


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You can't poop on something that is already in itself poopoid >_> Just saying
Maybe the devs think your stories are crap, too. >_> Just saying.


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All these people complain about the Incarnate system stepping all over their backstory, but then they go and poop all over the dev's stories by RPing their Lore powers as something other than a power granted by the Well. Hypocrites!

Also, I want this suggestion.
Granted I'm a noob so none of this applies to me personally yet, but I think part of it might be a conflict of interest between:

a) I want to stay true to my character's concept
b) I want to be as powerful as possible

So unless your character's concept fits these Lore Incarnate things (again, noob, no direct experience with this), you'd have to compromise between being powerful or staying true to concept.

Put another way, if the game is letting me be a mutant fish monster wearing a tuxedo who has a pirate hook for a hand, robot legs, and a demon tail, why force me to conform to a certain vision at the endgame?


 

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That's pretty much spot on, my problem with it. I Like the idea of Incarnates, and I love the CoH lore, and I'm even okay with my toon being an Incarnate-ish type thing, but I want him to stick to his techy origins. Not be gifted with Zeus powers like States, or Tartarus powers like Recluse. I don;t want my robot inventor guy becoming Hephestos. I want him to be robot inventor guy who got gifted with brilliant insight into mechanical/robotic knowledge.

Summoning robot ghosts doesn't jive with that.


 

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Maybe the devs think your stories are crap, too. >_> Just saying.
Unless my stories are actually offensive to other players, they aren't any of the devs' business. (Whether I'm breaking copyright, or the game design by leveling faster than they intended/built the game for is another matter, and IMO is.)


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Maybe the devs think your stories are crap, too. >_> Just saying.
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Unless my stories are actually offensive to other players, they aren't any of the devs' business. (Whether I'm breaking copyright, or the game design by leveling faster than they intended/built the game for is another matter, and IMO is.)
I think Techbot got what I was saying. It goes both ways; you can't objectively say your backstory is better than the game world's.

Anyway, the devs intentionally wrote the Incarnate story so that it could fit with any player backstory. If you decide you're not having any of that and choose to ignore it, that's on you, and you alone.


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I think Techbot got what I was saying. It goes both ways; you can't objectively say your backstory is better than the game world's.

Anyway, the devs intentionally wrote the Incarnate story so that it could fit with any player backstory. If you decide you're not having any of that and choose to ignore it, that's on you, and you alone.
Meh, I'd still much rather have the *option* to make them glowy/non-glowy.

Speaking of 'Dev Story'...they also wrote Dr Brainstorm and the Amazingly Fail VEAT ending ramble So...yes, yes we can ignore than. Because some of it is TERRIBLE XD


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"Our game's big selling point is making a 100% customizable character! And now you have to take this power that fits into our definition of the lore instead of your character concept!"
But you don't have to take the power.


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