Vill patron powers at 35

I'm just wondering, will Arbiter Rein talk to you at level 35 now so you can select a patron and will that patron give you missions before level 40?

Running around Grandville at level 40 can be... interesting; unless you have full pve invisibility, running around Grandville at level 35 seems like it could be... terrifying.

I'm more upset by the fact, that Villains miss out on getting Epic powers at level 35 without burning a respec. Sure, patron unlock gives you a respec... But it's just such a waste to use it to make up for that.

New level for Epic powers access is lv 35... You need to have leveled up to 35 already to start the patron arcs, whoops. Too bad for you Villain, wait until level 38 instead.

Unless you can pick up those missions without actually going through with the level up, then maybe that could work out and you don't level up till you've unlocked the patron stuff.

It's not that unfair. In fact, villains get the edge on this one. Either Heroes or Villains get the Epic pools at 35, right? Villains can immediately start work on patronss. Heroes gotta do tip missions/morality arcs to switch over to full villain before they can even begin to unlock the patron stuff. Just sayin.

also another note on this, i ran through patron arc at 35-36 and theres a LOT of things in some of the arcs which are specific level

the patrons themselves are level limited to not spawn under 40 (so my team had to fight a lvl 40 EB when we were only lvl 36)

in GW arc there is also a mish or 2 with a fortunata group which has a minimum level of 43, so since thats the arc we were running, yet again we were a lvl 36 group killing 43s (they were minions, but still +7s are not that easy to fight lol)

Then they changed it sometime along the way, because they have been earned respecs every time I've done the arc (they are also documented on the wiki as earned respecs, and history shows multiple different users clarifying such).

I will admit it has been about a year and a half since I last did a patron arc, and that is plenty of time for things to change.

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I just wanted to follow-up with my own observations after having done Black Scorpion's arc at level 37.

1) There are door missions in Grandville, but they are at fairly harmless doors, usually either right on the path to Recluse's tower or on a boat near the ferry.

2) I didn't encounter any inappropriate level mobs. This one's a little harder to gauge because I did turn 38 during the arc and I was set to +1, so I don't know for sure if some of the level 40 mobs were that level because of my settings or because that was their min level.

3) I was unable to begin the second arc. I'm totally fine with that, I'm only mentioning as an fyi.

I ran the tip drops I received as well when I was in Grandville. Sometimes the tip mission would be in Grandville and at not particularly friendly doors. I advise that if you do get a tip drop, you select it in St. Mart if you're not fully pve invis.

Further, even though the doors in Grandville for the patron arcs were in as good a location as you'll get, I have seen low level (for the zone) mobs guarding the doors before. I'd make sure to keep a low aggro profile upon exiting (damage or debuffs auras off, anything stealthy toggled on, pets dismissed, that sort of thing).

2) Is normal you don't always get foes at the level you set there is a bit of randomness (and some annoying foes that are always +1 grrr).

3) Is also normal you get another arc from them at 47ish to become destined where you can go after Lord Recluse and steal his helmet in the future.

2) Yes I know, my point was that I was unable to determine if they were 40 because of level minimums or not. Someone upthread mentioned level 43s showing up at level 37. I was simply reporting I didn't encounter that.

3) It's actually level 45 before you can begin the 3rd and final arcs. Again, I was just reporting what, to me at least, was an unknown, whether you could start the 2nd arc immediately or have to wait for 40.

Hang on were you able to get access to PPPs?

Good question. I swapped to a 2nd build and was able to choose patron (and hero epics) when I got to the level 35 choice.

Again, just to state, the character is level 38.

I just got home from work and checked my old toons and found I had a Night Widow at 35 called ManWidow (he's male). I turned diff down to -1/0 no bosses and headed to Rein.
I chose Black Scorpion and went to the missions. All the missions were in the public mall area where there were no foes hanging around. In the missions all foes were 35! Bloody Malta slowed me down.
The final couple of missions were in StM and I found Dr Quatrexin was a 35 eb. I finished him off then did a freespec and found I could choose my epic pool.
Yeah could not move on to the 2nd part of the arc so I assume that is lvl 40 as normal.