Judgement - Some more tech-friendly options
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-10-05 05:39 in Suggestions and Ideas
This is not a criticism, but a question. The Incarnate lore is that you're being empowered by the Well of the Furies. These are not necessarily extensions of your own powers. Therefore, the 'concept' argument seems odd. Every Incarnate's concept includes being empowered in some way by the Well of the Furies. Whether you were just a really well-trained cop, or a sentient robot, or a human-plant hybrid, after unlocking Alpha you now gain a portion at least of your powers from a specific source and concept.
Do folks just ignore that and consider Incarnate progress as "new levels"?
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I would love to have some tech options for Judgement, (in case we can’t get an orbital cannon) how about a small drone (the same size as the sphere from the film Phantasm) that we summon that flies over the enemies & does an overhead blast.
Or even the classic BFG, as an option.
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The names of a number of DO and SO enhancements imply something about the source of the power, and from what I can tell people feel free to ignore them (One DO category is "Genetic Enhancement" for Science/Mutant origin, nobody feels the need to justify how their character is able to do such a thing. Another is "Relic" for Magic/Natural but you don't see everyone RPing that they're carrying around the specified magical artifact to boost their abilities). Incarnates, from what I gather, are much the same deal, except that the way they look in action makes justification necessary. |
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
This is not a criticism, but a question. The Incarnate lore is that you're being empowered by the Well of the Furies. These are not necessarily extensions of your own powers. Therefore, the 'concept' argument seems odd. Every Incarnate's concept includes being empowered in some way by the Well of the Furies. Whether you were just a really well-trained cop, or a sentient robot, or a human-plant hybrid, after unlocking Alpha you now gain a portion at least of your powers from a specific source and concept.
Do folks just ignore that and consider Incarnate progress as "new levels"? |
This is the only thing in the game where an RP justification feels needed, and while that's partly on the playerbase for not caring about other things that dictate something about their powers, the people behind the content should at least be taking notes that players care about this fact.
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In a nutshell, Yes.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Do folks just ignore that and consider Incarnate progress as "new levels"?
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I think its clear that people would like options for the FX that better fit their internal character descriptions. So that they can be rationalised as something other than "The Well".
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Not necessarily "new levels". Just new aspects of their existing powers.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
This is not a criticism, but a question. The Incarnate lore is that you're being empowered by the Well of the Furies. These are not necessarily extensions of your own powers. Therefore, the 'concept' argument seems odd. Every Incarnate's concept includes being empowered in some way by the Well of the Furies. Whether you were just a really well-trained cop, or a sentient robot, or a human-plant hybrid, after unlocking Alpha you now gain a portion at least of your powers from a specific source and concept.
Do folks just ignore that and consider Incarnate progress as "new levels"? |
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I'd really like an option where we pull out a walkie-talkie for a few seconds, a circle of light to appear on the ground followed by the death from above energy strike |
Originally Posted by Hero_of_Steel
I would love to have some tech options for Judgement, (in case we cant get an orbital cannon)
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I don't know that it's necessarily unreasonable to think that, while you are being empowered by the Well of the Furies, that empowerment might manifesting in a manner consistent with your existing powers. My Martial Arts scrapper can conceptually handle any Judgement, because of the external source, but Vorpal still makes more sense for her than Pyronic. Which is not to say that Pyronic doesn't make sense, for the reasons you state. Just that Vorpal makes more.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
This is not a criticism, but a question. The Incarnate lore is that you're being empowered by the Well of the Furies. These are not necessarily extensions of your own powers. Therefore, the 'concept' argument seems odd. Every Incarnate's concept includes being empowered in some way by the Well of the Furies. Whether you were just a really well-trained cop, or a sentient robot, or a human-plant hybrid, after unlocking Alpha you now gain a portion at least of your powers from a specific source and concept.
Do folks just ignore that and consider Incarnate progress as "new levels"? |
The people who insist that conceptually, the Well isn't involved at all ... well, it's like the Peacebringers who insist that they're actually Angels or something. It's absurd, it's directly counter to the established lore of the game, and when those "Angels" start saying that it's wrong for Voids to hurt them more because they're not really Peacebringers, they should just be tuned out.
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Have an idea I had the other day:
Shrapnel Rain: PBAoE. Crouch down and fire several projectiles into the air from your power armor / outfit / cybernetics / whatever. These detonate and bombard the area around you with a fine rain of shrapnel. Radial branch provides high damage resistance for the duration of the cast.
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People don't like being forced into a concept. Some people love playing Khelds as Khelds and Incarnates as Incarnates, others just feel having to force being Well-empowered in a character just makes it too busy or plain don't work.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
This is not a criticism, but a question. The Incarnate lore is that you're being empowered by the Well of the Furies. These are not necessarily extensions of your own powers. Therefore, the 'concept' argument seems odd. Every Incarnate's concept includes being empowered in some way by the Well of the Furies. Whether you were just a really well-trained cop, or a sentient robot, or a human-plant hybrid, after unlocking Alpha you now gain a portion at least of your powers from a specific source and concept.
Do folks just ignore that and consider Incarnate progress as "new levels"? |
Ultimately, the Well works in many ways. Who's to say somebody's Incarnate powers aren't Well-granted insights into technology or magic?
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The path I'm taking with most of my incarnates is that yes the Well is empowering them and allowing them to push beyond their old boundaries (in some cases without them realizing it) but the way in which it is doing so is, generally, related to some portion of their existing powers. I actually don't really mind the idea that getting above level 50 means you're drawing on the Well, it's not as generic as I'd like but I can work with it. |
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
This is not a criticism, but a question. The Incarnate lore is that you're being empowered by the Well of the Furies. These are not necessarily extensions of your own powers. Therefore, the 'concept' argument seems odd. Every Incarnate's concept includes being empowered in some way by the Well of the Furies. Whether you were just a really well-trained cop, or a sentient robot, or a human-plant hybrid, after unlocking Alpha you now gain a portion at least of your powers from a specific source and concept.
Do folks just ignore that and consider Incarnate progress as "new levels"? |
I do however dislike the idea that the Well's power manifests in the same way for everyone (as implied by the powers) since it means that everyone's powers are identical. The Lore slot is a good example, the idea of creating essences from the well is ok for some characters but for others the ability to summon actual physical helpers makes more sense (even if the Well is the reason those helpers are available). To that end I do a bit of hand waving with my characters, the basic rule I use is some of the Incarnate powers do indeed come from a connection with the Well but it doesn't necessarily manifest directly, in many cases the Well is simply upgrading their existing powers.
I've also, in most cases, mentally re-written Mender Ramiel's arc to better fit with the personality of the character in question. In some cases the arc is completely non-canon and the character discovered the knowledge themselves. In other cases the basic story of the arc is the same but the person guiding them is different (for example my tanker Lyonette was guided by a vision from the spirits of her ancestors)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
And you totally can drive a bike from from the local dive bar right inside the Chantry. Just take the I666 and get off on the "Other Dimension" turnpike.
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They could just as easily just give players the obliteration beam here and call it a day. Been wanting obliteration beam since I first ran a keyes. No knockback though.... We don't need more stinking knockback. Make it knockdown or knockup.|
Originally Posted by Kadmon
Satellite Cannon - Ground-targeted Energy damage, shoots a colorable beam from the sky; Core side does standard Judgement Critical, Radial does a DoT that has a chance to spread to other targets outside of the blast (like Disintegrate, but maybe doesn't cause the Disintegrate bonus to keep from pigeon-holing Beam Gun users), maybe Knockback as well. |
Also lets not forget about this shall we?
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I really dont like the idea that the Well has to be involved. Its like making every character in the Marvel universe above a certain power level have to have links with Asgard. I prefer it that Hulk, Jean Grey and Thanos, to pick some examples, have their own stories, thank you.
But, I tend to play fast and loose with game lore. If I made a Peacebringer, chances are they wouldn't be strictly Kheldian.
My powers are Firestorm-style transmutation rather than "Earth Control" per se. My incarnate powers are just extensions of that - liquid nitrogen spray, ionised gas clouds, and so on.
I spent my first 20 levels in Singapore, fighting beserk cleaning robots, gangsters with katanas and pistols in sharp looking motorbike gear, all in a very clean high tech city setting. I ddin't go to Praetoria till much later, around level 50. But, I didn't force this mindset down anyone's throats at the time.
I certainly wouldn't mind some more Judgement powers, or even device based alternate animations for the non-powered crowd.
You can get around just about anything if you use Manticore's explanation. He teleports by hacking into the mediporter system, right?
So.... maybe they open up a portal at Long Bow main base and fire a big bolt of energy through the portal for you? Then you're not required to carry the tech around on your person.
I want to add, that while I enjoy more options for powers in this game, it is unlikely that "Tech" options for the Incarnate powers are ever added due solely to the fact that once you begin down the path of the Incarnate you are NOT just Tech or Natural Origin anymore... you are at least PART Magic/Incarnate Origin too. I am not sure how I feel about that personally, but that is what is currently represented.