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What is ridiculous is that the MM I started yesterday is level 18 and already has around ~30% defenses.
What is neat, however, is the little shield drone veteran pet that gives another 2.5% defense and some recovery when it's active benefits from the force field generator and the shields from the protector bots.
Even though that shield drone has -75% resists to everything, it stays alive quite a bit longer when it has a decent amount of defense. Doesn't hurt that most of the time you can get another 2.5% defense out of it.
I love my bots/traps and bots/dark, but I hate how the pets feel that they must go into melee range to use the 100ft range laser beam on the target's face...
Several months ago (maybe even all the way before GR was released) they were fine. It's funny how some things become broken and never get fixed.
Oh well, I still mow through stuff even if I have to resummon a Jihad-o-Bot every now and again.
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Originally Posted by SimonSayz
I love my bots/traps and bots/dark, but I hate how the pets feel that they must go into melee range to use the 100ft range laser beam on the target's face...
Several months ago (maybe even all the way before GR was released) they were fine. It's funny how some things become broken and never get fixed. Oh well, I still mow through stuff even if I have to resummon a Jihad-o-Bot every now and again. -Simon |
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Given what I read on your blog about Dechs' background, go Raymond Chandler/Dashiell Hammett, maybe?
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That's kinda the problem. I need a new gimmick.
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So after looking over your build, I have a question.
How do you get charged armor a patron power at lvl 35?
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So after looking over your build, I have a question.
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May we see the build version with the powers and slotting visible. I am on a Mac and unable to use Mid's. Thank you. :3
Can anyone just pop it into Mid's and import it? I really would like to roll one of these.
Dechs, I'll have to compare and Contrast my bot/traps build with yours.
I took A LOT of your advice on my warshade build, so being able to see another one of your priced builds would really help to make sure we're on the same page.
Granted, i think my playstyle it a little more aggressive then yours, but all in all i think it'll be a good contrast to see how you do things.
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Blame Demons. Apparently there's only one pet AI rather than a custom AI for each set, and the existing one didn't work well with Melee/Ranged hybrid pets like Demons. The changes that made Demons work smoothly also tended to make primary ranged pets more likely to decide to run up and punch things (or just stand next to them, in the case of Protector Bots which have no melee attack at all). On the bright side, if you want a fairly painless pet experience just pick Demons because they actually work quite well without micromanaging.
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Originally Posted by SimonSayz
I love my bots/traps and bots/dark, but I hate how the pets feel that they must go into melee range to use the 100ft range laser beam on the target's face...
Several months ago (maybe even all the way before GR was released) they were fine. It's funny how some things become broken and never get fixed. |
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May we see the build version with the powers and slotting visible. I am on a Mac and unable to use Mid's. Thank you. :3
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Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.951
Dechs Kaison: Level 50 Technology Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Robotics
Secondary Power Set: Traps
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Presence
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Battle Drones
- (A) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance: Level 50
- (3) Blood Mandate - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
- (3) Blood Mandate - Damage: Level 50
- (5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50
- (5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy: Level 50
- (7) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
- (A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge: Level 50
- (13) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge: Level 50
- (13) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance: Level 50
- (15) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
- (36) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold: Level 50
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
- (7) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 50
- (9) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage(Smashing): Level 30
- (11) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy): Level 50
- (11) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown: Level 50
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge: Level 50
- (15) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (17) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (17) Miracle - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (19) Miracle - Heal/Recharge: Level 40
- (19) Miracle - Heal/Endurance: Level 40
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance: Level 50
- (9) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (21) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
- (36) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
- (A) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff: Level 20
- (27) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (29) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
- (29) Touch of Lady Grey - Defense Debuff/Recharge/Endurance: Level 50
- (37) Touch of Lady Grey - Recharge/Endurance: Level 50
- (37) Touch of Lady Grey - Defense Debuff/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage: Level 50
- (23) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
- (23) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
- (25) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 50
- (25) Defense Buff IO: Level 50
- (27) Defense Buff IO: Level 50
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance: Level 50
- (21) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (39) Numina's Convalescence - Heal: Level 50
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance: Level 50
- (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
- (42) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points): Level 50
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range: Level 50
- (34) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance: Level 50
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
- (46) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
- (A) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up: Level 50
- (31) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
- (31) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
- (31) Edict of the Master - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (33) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus: Level 40
- (33) Edict of the Master - Damage: Level 40
- (A) Siphon Insight - ToHit Debuff: Level 50
- (33) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/ToHit Debuff: Level 50
- (34) Siphon Insight - ToHit Debuff/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (34) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
- (39) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge: Level 50
- (36) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge/Range: Level 50
- (43) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
- (48) Mocking Beratement - Taunt: Level 50
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50
- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 10
- (42) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance: Level 40
- (42) Reactive Armor - Endurance: Level 40
- (43) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance: Level 40
- (48) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All): Level 50
- (A) Eradication - Damage: Level 30
- (40) Eradication - Damage/Recharge: Level 30
- (40) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 30
- (43) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 30
- (A) Ragnarok - Damage: Level 50
- (45) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
- (45) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
- (46) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
- (46) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance: Level 50
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (48) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance: Level 50
- (50) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Jaunt - Endurance/Range: Level 50
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 25
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: Marshal
Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
- (A) Celerity - +Stealth: Level 50
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift
- (A) Run Speed IO: Level 50
- (A) Jumping IO: Level 50
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery: Level 50
- (37) Numina's Convalescence - Heal: Level 50
- (50) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance: Level 50
- (A) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50
- (50) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50
Set Bonus Totals:
- 5% Defense
- 13.5% Defense(Smashing)
- 13.5% Defense(Lethal)
- 9.75% Defense(Fire)
- 9.75% Defense(Cold)
- 12.88% Defense(Energy)
- 12.88% Defense(Negative)
- 6% Defense(Psionic)
- 9.75% Defense(Melee)
- 13.19% Defense(Ranged)
- 10.69% Defense(AoE)
- 3.6% Max End
- 42.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 57% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 4% FlySpeed
- 183.7 HP (22.88%) HitPoints
- 8% JumpHeight
- 8% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -4)
- Knockup (Mag -4)
- MezResist(Held) 2.75%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 1.1%
- MezResist(Stun) 1.65%
- 14.5% (0.24 End/sec) Recovery
- 110% (3.68 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 5.04% Resistance(Fire)
- 5.04% Resistance(Cold)
- 4% RunSpeed
- 2% XPDebtProtection
Set Bonuses:
Blood Mandate
(Battle Drones)
- 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
- 1.88% Defense(Fire,Cold), 0.94% Defense(AoE)
- MezResist(Stun) 1.65%
- 3.75% Defense(AoE), 1.88% Defense(Fire), 1.88% Defense(Cold)
- 3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)
(Web Grenade)
- 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
- 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Triage Beacon)
- 12% (0.4 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 15.06 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
(Triage Beacon)
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
- 15.06 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
(Maneuvers)
- 10% (0.33 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 9.04 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Acid Mortar)
- 10% (0.33 HP/sec) Regeneration
(Acid Mortar)
- 12.05 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
(Protector Bots)
- 16% (0.54 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 24.1 HP (3%) HitPoints
(Aid Other)
- 12% (0.4 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 15.06 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
(Force Field Generator)
- 10% (0.33 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 9.04 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Recall Friend)
- Knockback (Mag -4), Knockup (Mag -4)
(Teleport)
- 1.25% Defense(Ranged), 0.63% Defense(Energy), 0.63% Defense(Negative)
(Assault Bot)
- 16% (0.54 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 24.1 HP (3%) HitPoints
(Assault Bot)
- 4% JumpSpeed, 4% JumpHeight
- 12.05 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
- 5% Defense
(Seeker Drones)
- 4% JumpSpeed, 4% JumpHeight, 4% FlySpeed, 4% RunSpeed
- 2% XPDebtProtection
- 9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 3.75% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Melee)
(Provoke)
- 1.8% Max End
- MezResist(Held) 2.75%
- 2.5% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Melee)
(Charged Armor)
- 3% Defense(Melee), 3% Defense(AoE), 3% Defense(Ranged), 3% Defense(Smashing), 3% Defense(Lethal), 3% Defense(Fire), 3% Defense(Cold), 3% Defense(Energy), 3% Defense(Negative), 3% Defense(Psionic)
(Charged Armor)
- MezResist(Immobilize) 1.1%
- 1.25% Defense(Energy,Negative), 0.63% Defense(Ranged)
- 1.25% Defense(Smashing,Lethal), 0.63% Defense(Melee)
(Charged Armor)
- 3% Defense(Melee), 3% Defense(AoE), 3% Defense(Ranged), 3% Defense(Smashing), 3% Defense(Lethal), 3% Defense(Fire), 3% Defense(Cold), 3% Defense(Energy), 3% Defense(Negative), 3% Defense(Psionic)
(Trip Mine)
- 1.8% Max End
- 3.13% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.56% Defense(Ranged)
- 18.07 HP (2.25%) HitPoints
(Electrifying Fences)
- 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery
- 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
- 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Aid Self)
- 12% (0.4 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 15.06 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
(Vengeance)
- 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
(Health)
- 12% (0.4 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 15.06 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for ...
I have read a lot of your posts on these forums Dechs, and they're all very well reasoned. I learned a lot from reading your guide on defense! So I would like to impose a bit more on your expertise, if you don't mind.
I'm curious about your opinion on Bots/Dark and how it measures up to Bots/Traps. The last character I played for CoH was Bots/Dark from like, Issue 7. I have just resubscribed because it seems like the game has grown so much, but now I'm a little lost. Is Bots/Dark still viable at the endgame? It still seems good right now at lvl 30, I imagine it'll get even better once I'm 32 and my bots are fully upgraded, they're lacking in AoE right now.
The main reason I've been resistant to /Traps is the lack of a strong AoE heal like Twilight Grasp, I understand that Forcefield Generator is far stronger than Shadow Fall, so it will present a much better passive defense, but still, I like being able to restore 75% of a bot's health at once, and I figured the massive -hit debuffs from /Dark compensates.
I'm also curious why you picked the Mu mastery instead of Soul. It seems like -acc instead of -end is just far more useful in an AoE root, for any build. I understand the root's for setting up big burn patches.
On that note, what do you recommend as an opening move vs. a whole group? I'm torn between using Darkest Night to floor their to-hit and using Fearsome Stare to shut down most of the group.
Thanks in advance, you're a greater resource to us re-noobs.
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Is Bots/Dark still viable at the endgame?
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I'm also curious why you picked the Mu mastery instead of Soul.
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2. Energy damage seems more common than negative energy.
3. With softcapped self and pets, -tohit won't do much for me.
4. No skill required in setting up a cone for immob.
5. The Mu immob has -kb.
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On that note, what do you recommend as an opening move vs. a whole group? I'm torn between using Darkest Night to floor their to-hit and using Fearsome Stare to shut down most of the group.
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Otherwise, Fearsome Stare has the same -tohit that Darkest Night does, if I'm not mistaken, but it has the Fear component. I'd go with that.
Sorry I'm not more thorough on my explanations tonight. Feeling a bit under the weather. I'll be sure to answer any other questions. Later.
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Originally Posted by Korbaan
On that note, what do you recommend as an opening move vs. a whole group? I'm torn between using Darkest Night to floor their to-hit and using Fearsome Stare to shut down most of the group.
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In my experience, Darkest Night has a bit of a gap between the end of the power's animation and the moment the power actually aggros enemies. Because of this, I've taken to Opening with Darkest Night with the follow-up power (Tar patch or Fearsome Stare whichever is more usefull for the situation) queued up. Usually the effects are applied before the enemies are aggroed and I get the benefit of both.
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I often open with Tar Patch, Electric Fences, Fearsome Stare or a variation of those 3 - Darkest Night I generally only use if I'm taking down GMs or AVs. I will also be spamming Provoke and my goto/defensive macro.
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Great tips, thanks everyone. I'm also a bit torn between whether to take the Hold in /Dark and the Hold in a PPP. Part of me wants to shutdown a boss solid, the other part of me thinks the first part is silly because with defense powers plus two of the best -tohit buffs in the game I'm already neutering bosses and their whole spawns.
Now, do you think I can get away without a travel power? I've been doing okay with Ninja Run (with the Jump Pack and some temp Jetpacks for heights), and it's useful indoors and out, without having to dip into any travel pools. Or is there some other hidden utility, like slotting one for KB protection?
unless you can fit in basilisk gaze, gladiators net, or unbreakable constraint into your holds then you dont need them if your already flooring a boss's to hit. and if you dont lolpvp then you absolutely dont need a travel power. sprint+ ninja run is more than fine for missions and general pve conent. and raptor packs are a mere 10k inf.
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I would take the hold from Dark if and only if it fits nicely and I had slots to throw away to make it useful. I'd be much more apt to take the patron hold (e.g. Soul Storm), which you can slot as an attack. Basically, it'd be good for those pesky LTs and minions like sappers, but it'll still be useful against bosses/AVs because you'll still contribute damage.|
Originally Posted by Korbaan
I'm also a bit torn between whether to take the Hold in /Dark and the Hold in a PPP. Part of me wants to shutdown a boss solid, the other part of me thinks the first part is silly because with defense powers plus two of the best -tohit buffs in the game I'm already neutering bosses and their whole spawns.
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Originally Posted by Korbaan
Now, do you think I can get away without a travel power? I've been doing okay with Ninja Run (with the Jump Pack and some temp Jetpacks for heights), and it's useful indoors and out, without having to dip into any travel pools. Or is there some other hidden utility, like slotting one for KB protection?
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When it comes to masterminds, I don't like most travel powers. Teleport is particularly good because it almost forces a respawn every time and you never run into the pets dragging extra aggro problem. I also grabbed Team Teleport because I really like being able to "Surprise Robot Army!" around. It helps manage the pets in situations like Apex and clogged doorways as well.
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Pet Gaze has 1/2 the recharge of any of the epic holds. Personally, I like to make sure I've got a useful hold for the LGTF, if nothing else. Anyway, even outside that, I want holds to hold, so I'd rather have Pet Gaze.
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Soul Storm's duration is 2 seconds longer at base, and both can be maintained as permanent holds. The way I see it, there are three scenarios that are relevant here.|
Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
Pet Gaze has 1/2 the recharge of any of the epic holds. Personally, I like to make sure I've got a useful hold for the LGTF, if nothing else. Anyway, even outside that, I want holds to hold, so I'd rather have Pet Gaze.
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1. I need a permanent stacked hold.
2. I need a permanent hold.
3. I need to do damage.
Petrifying Gaze works for the first two. Soul Storm works for the last two. Neither one does everything, but if I had to chose, I know that Soul Storm would be more valuable to me.
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Soul Storm also has the best after-animation pose in the game going for it.
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