I suppose I should mention this build was asked for in the "do it all" thread, after talking about characters that could do anything in the game.
Without Incarnate powers, this character build has solo handled:
+4/x8 spawns (Malta, Arachnos and the like)
AVs
GMs
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Looks very very nice, but how does that build up proc works? Does the pet gets the BU for a set time?
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The build up proc has one chance to grant Build Up to me when I summon the Assbot.|
Originally Posted by SinergyX_EU
Looks very very nice, but how does that build up proc works? Does the pet gets the BU for a set time?
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After that, it really kicks in. Near as I can tell, the proc checks every time the Assbot makes an attack, for every target, but with a limit of one proc per attack. The next few attacks will be boosted, and those attacks can trigger the proc again because I know I have seen the buff stacked.
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I never knew about that proc 
So seems to work on any pet, with a fast attack chain quite some pets will benefit greatly from it 
Time to get me some of those
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Just remember: that proc is from a purple set, which means each piece is unique and can only have one per build.|
Originally Posted by SinergyX_EU
Time to get me some of those
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I think this is a good time to point out that the first two set bonuses of Soulbound Allegiance are far better than the last three. By splitting the set up like I did, you double the benefit of the best part of the set.
The purple set is also the only way to slot recharge into henchmen summons. Granted, the recharge in no way benefits the pet, but it will allow you to re-summon them sooner.
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Wouldn't replacing the 2 level 50 Def IOs in the Protector Bots with Lysosomes be better? 2 SOs of Accuracy, more than 3 SOs of defense, and 2 SOs of ToHit Debuff (I presume the Seeker Drones the Bots summon are enhanceable).
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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Isn't using Lysos as def buff HOs still considered as exploitable seeing as they're actually def debuff HOs?
As to the BU Proc, wouldn't the Explosive Strike proc be better for additional dmg?
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I have no idea why, but the Lysosome trick doesn't appear to work for MM pets.
I've tried it for 2 different MMs - a Bots/Traps and a Thugs/FF
I've got 2 Lysos slotted in the Protector Bots - in combat attributes I see 7.5% +Def from Force Shield, which is the base number (I'm looking at this in-game as I type this)
I respecced out of Lysos on my Thugs/FF, so I can't give you numbers in-game "right now". I did not see the Thugs Maneuvers increase with Lysos. I changed their slotting to Cytoskeletons, which do work.
I don't view the Lysos as a crisis for the Bots/Traps at the moment, they still enhance the Bots Seekers -ToHit as well as Prot Bot Accuracy, but that's not optimal and I'll take them out when I find the motivation to do another respec.
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As Deacon said, Lysos don't work anymore. There's another one that does, but rather than wait for it to be removed as well, I went with what I know will work for the next forever.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Wouldn't replacing the 2 level 50 Def IOs in the Protector Bots with Lysosomes be better? 2 SOs of Accuracy, more than 3 SOs of defense, and 2 SOs of ToHit Debuff (I presume the Seeker Drones the Bots summon are enhanceable).
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Originally Posted by Scene_EU
As to the BU Proc, wouldn't the Explosive Strike proc be better for additional dmg?
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Aside from which causes more damage, I wanted the giant +HP bonus as well.
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I was checking AH last night, i was pretty amazed the set goes that cheap. 60-80mil inf for the proc, thats pretty cheap considered its a 30 hero merit item.
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I just did a little compare and contrast with my own Bots/Traps so I've spent a little time digging into your build.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
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I know you're not soliciting feedback and you're clearly pleased with performance and deservedly so. While looking over, I did notice something for consideration:
Assault Bot has 45.8% accuracy and 97.63% damage post-ED. If you change the Edict of the Master Damage to an Acc/Dmg, that becomes 69.93% acc and 95.46% dmg. So for not a lot of sacrifice to damage output, you could up his accuracy which will help especially for exemping.
Just something to consider...
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I think he wants the 2 set bonus.
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I'm quite sure that each of the pet's powers acts individually when it comes to slotting, and therefore the powers in question (Prot Bots' bubbles and Thugs' Maneuvers), which cannot slot any of the aspects of Lysosomes (Acc/-Def/-Tohit), won't be affected by that HO. An Enzyme should still work, as those powers can take the Endredux of Enzymes, but I can't confirm that as it doesn't have the appeal for me the Lysosome did: Accuracy.|
Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
I have no idea why, but the Lysosome trick doesn't appear to work for MM pets.
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The reason you can still slot the Lysosome in the pet in general is the pet's attacks could be slotted with the Acc in Lysosome.
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It's still the same set, just a different IO within the set (acc/dmg instead of dmg)
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Originally Posted by Hockeypuckhead
I think he wants the 2 set bonus.
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Good catch. I know my thought process at the time. I filled in the three SBA enhancements, then the Edict unique and the triple (Because triples are awesome). Then I looked at the power and said to myself, "Well, now I just need more damage." Lo and behold, there it was.|
Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
Assault Bot has 45.8% accuracy and 97.63% damage post-ED. If you change the Edict of the Master Damage to an Acc/Dmg, that becomes 69.93% acc and 95.46% dmg. So for not a lot of sacrifice to damage output, you could up his accuracy which will help especially for exemping.
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I might change that, though. Like I said, good catch. I'll trade 2% damage for 20% accuracy.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
I'm quite sure that each of the pet's powers acts individually when it comes to slotting, and therefore the powers in question (Prot Bots' bubbles and Thugs' Maneuvers), which cannot slot any of the aspects of Lysosomes (Acc/-Def/-Tohit), won't be affected by that HO.
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The power itself was coded to not accept -def enhancements to avoid this exploit, but that got overlooked when it came to HOs. Any HO could be slotted in any power so long as it could enhance something, and only later did they realize the unintended consequences of enhancing things not meant to be enhanced (Shield Defense:Active Defense) or things being enhanced in ways they weren't supposed to be enhanced (Protector Bot:Shield).
The Lysos used to work. I had them in my build, and the defense bonus from them was certainly better than level 50 IOs, especially considering that I still got my accuracy. A somewhat recent change prevented this, though, and I've since respecced.
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That was my point, nothing in the Lyso directly affects that particular power of the pet, but the Acc would affect other powers and that's why you could slot it in the pet. Now, what may have happened is the Prot Bot shield was incorrectly set to accept Accuracy enhancement, which would make the Lyso work, and a dev spotted this and "fixed" it, making it no longer able to work on that power. I know it never worked in thugs lieuts, as I tried Lysos there almost two years ago to no avail (would have been awesome, as it would modify their accuracy, their tohit in tactics, their defdebuff on foes, and their def in maneuvers); the lysos did increase their accuracy, as well as the defdebuff on foes, but had no affect whatsever on their tactics or maneuvers. I switched it out for cytos, and boom, all aspects were modified because all those powers were coded to accept endredux.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Any HO could be slotted in any power so long as it could enhance something, and only later did they realize the unintended consequences of enhancing things not meant to be enhanced (Shield Defense:Active Defense) or things being enhanced in ways they weren't supposed to be enhanced (Protector Bot:Shield).
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The game doesn't know the difference between buff and debuff HO's once they are slotted in a power, but it does know whether you can slot it. For instance, you cannot slot an Enzyme into an Auto +defense power, because that power will not accept the debuff (obviously) or the endredux. Slot it into Maneuvers, however, and you've snuck in the higher defense debuff numbers because Maneuvers takes the endredux from the Enzyme.
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Well, you can still slot Lysos. And they still buff the accuracy of the Protector Bot, but the -defense portion no longer buffs the Shield like it used to.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
That was my point, nothing in the Lyso directly affects that particular power of the pet, but the Acc would affect other powers and that's why you could slot it in the pet. Now, what may have happened is the Prot Bot shield was incorrectly set to accept Accuracy enhancement, which would make the Lyso work, and a dev spotted this and "fixed" it, making it no longer able to work on that power.
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I've been trying to find out the one combination in the game that really seems like it can do it all.
Dechs Kaison points out Bot/Traps almost immediately. I've been avoiding it and avoiding it, because I really really hate managing pets in any game.
But, I'm going to have to break down and give it a try.
Then, since I don't doub thim, I'll have to give Dechs the "I told you so" award.
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I do have a guide in the works for that.|
Originally Posted by Gospel_NA
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I'm stuck at the beginning.
The rest of it is mostly done or very easy to write. I just never know how to start these things.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I do have a guide in the works for that.
I'm stuck at the beginning. The rest of it is mostly done or very easy to write. I just never know how to start these things. |
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well you could try a well built bot/dark as a compromise. I just so happen to have one too |
Originally Posted by Gospel_NA
I've been trying to find out the one combination in the game that really seems like it can do it all.
Dechs Kaison points out Bot/Traps almost immediately. I've been avoiding it and avoiding it, because I really really hate managing pets in any game. But, I'm going to have to break down and give it a try. Then, since I don't doub thim, I'll have to give Dechs the "I told you so" award. ((Of course I have to stop being a baby about pets and learn how to play a MM well first)) |
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Your guides have been pretty good, so I'm looking forward to reading it.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I do have a guide in the works for that.
I'm stuck at the beginning. The rest of it is mostly done or very easy to write. I just never know how to start these things. |
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That's kinda the problem. I need a new gimmick.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
The MFing terminator?
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Well, here it is.
Enjoy.
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