% procs and caltrops!
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Posted on: 2011-09-27 02:56 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Based on procs on my earth/ troller (wich have similar effect as caltrops), it has a continues tick. Basicly each 'tick' (be it damage, or chance to) the proc can trigger again. I have the -res from defense debuff in my quicksand, wich seems to continues work on mobs inside or getting inside the quicksand.
Although i wonder how psuedo pets work with procs such as the knockdown +100% recharge bonus on earthquake, since it is the pet that cast the knockdown, i gues i wont be getting that 100% recharge bonus.
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Every 10 seconds starting at second 0 (when you throw them in other words) it will check against everyone in the AOE. |
Originally Posted by Colt_Martin
How do enhancements that have a %proc work with caltrops? Is it every damage tick? Is the the first damage tick? The first damage tick per enemy? I'm thinking caltrops slotted with a whole bunch %+Damage would ridiculousness. Also, the %Knockdown from Ragnarok would help caltrops control. Any of these idea's viable?
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Each Damage proc averages out 1.4 damage per second at level 50 (but since they do chunks of 70 damage it's in practice better than just saying "an extra 1.4 DPS")
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| Based on procs on my earth/ troller (wich have similar effect as caltrops), it has a continues tick. Basicly each 'tick' (be it damage, or chance to) the proc can trigger again. I have the -res from defense debuff in my quicksand, wich seems to continues work on mobs inside or getting inside the quicksand. |
Volcanic Gasses and Acid Mortar are slightly better because they summon a pet which actively casts a power. So they'll have a chance to proc every time that pet/pseudopet fires off it's attack (ditto with things like Spectral Terror and Lightning Storm)
It's a little more subtle than that -- yes, it's every 10 seconds, but that really means five checks in 45 seconds (0,10,20,30,40). And there is some front-loading to that.
But yeah, every 10 seconds. Not usually all that rewarding, but it can be worth it with stuff like chance for knockdown.
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Nope, one check on everyone in the AOE every 10 seconds. Can Quicksand take Defense IOs? I thought only Quake could?
Volcanic Gasses and Acid Mortar are slightly better because they summon a pet which actively casts a power. So they'll have a chance to proc every time that pet/pseudopet fires off it's attack (ditto with things like Spectral Terror and Lightning Storm) |
The 'tick' i indeed mean the 10sec tick. (like +recovery proc in stamina, each 10sec).
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You can see my proctrop slotting in this build for my bots/traps. I use three different damage procs, as well as the Ragnarok proc. Damage procs in powers like this have a chance to go off when you initially cast the power and every ten seconds thereafter. The check is once per enemy per 10 seconds. The Raggy is great for controlling enemies, as well as the hilarity that ensues when people trip on caltrops.
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Originally Posted by Colt_Martin
How do enhancements that have a %proc work with caltrops? Is it every damage tick? Is the the first damage tick? The first damage tick per enemy? I'm thinking caltrops slotted with a whole bunch %+Damage would ridiculousness. Also, the %Knockdown from Ragnarok would help caltrops control. Any of these idea's viable?
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That should do a large amount of bonus damage in caltrops. Yow.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
The Raggy is great for controlling enemies, as well as the hilarity that ensues when people trip on caltrops.
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I have always wondered if adding damage enhancements to caltrops and other rain powers actually does anything at all. I have gone up to 120%+ including Alpha musculature and it still ticks for 2 each time. And I don't see it last longer because of damage or tick faster.
Does damage do anything or is the only way to get more damage to put in a proc?
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Damage should be higher than that, the base damage at 50 is 2.78 each second (according to City of Data), you should be seeing 4s or 5s I'd have thought.|
Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
I have always wondered if adding damage enhancements to caltrops and other rain powers actually does anything at all. I have gone up to 120%+ including Alpha musculature and it still ticks for 2 each time. And I don't see it last longer because of damage or tick faster.
Does damage do anything or is the only way to get more damage to put in a proc? |
A proc on the other averages 1.4 DPS, so each proc is basically adding 50% extra damage to the power (actually it's kinda nicer than that because rather than a trickle of 1.4s you get the occasional 70 hitting an enemy).
The fact that you hit an enemy for 70 every now and then is probably better on teams than the damage from the power itself
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I don't know. On teams, I just don't find that enemies spend enough time on my caltrops to bother with damage OR damage proc slotting. I want caltrops for its ability to stop an entire ambush dead in its tracks and then make them spend half their time running around at the run-speed debuff cap and the other half attacking. It's exceedingly rare for a fight to last anywhere close to 45 seconds in my experience. I really do not care about the occasional 70dmg as much as I care how much average DPS those precious enhancement slots are buying me vs. what I can get by spending them elsewhere.|
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
The fact that you hit an enemy for 70 every now and then is probably better on teams than the damage from the power itself
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Knockdown proc? NOW we're talking. Keep them IN my caltrops. Plus it's just funny. If weapon customization ever gets as far as stuff like caltrops, we're going to need some banana peels.
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
I have always wondered if adding damage enhancements to caltrops and other rain powers actually does anything at all. I have gone up to 120%+ including Alpha musculature and it still ticks for 2 each time. And I don't see it last longer because of damage or tick faster.
Does damage do anything or is the only way to get more damage to put in a proc? |
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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade
I have always wondered if adding damage enhancements to caltrops and other rain powers actually does anything at all. I have gone up to 120%+ including Alpha musculature and it still ticks for 2 each time. And I don't see it last longer because of damage or tick faster.
Does damage do anything or is the only way to get more damage to put in a proc? |
I recently slotted Sleet in my Illusion/Cold with 2 Recharge and the Achilles Heel Resist Debuff proc, Posi Blast proc, Lady Grey proc and Impeaded Swiftness proc. It adds a fair amount of damage over a large area. Procs add a LOT more damage than slotting the power for damage.
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Thanks for the feedback and tips. I know the big ones I have seen to higher ticks. Blizzard and rain of fire. But, like ice patch or caltrops SAY they have doubled the damage, but I still see the same ticks.
I'll have to experiment a bit.
@Zem, I also found slotting a bit of slow into caltrops is worth it. I have two slow/end/recharge, two damage procs, ragnarok, and posi damage/recharge on my stalker. The improved slow combined with knockdown is very effective.
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How do enhancements that have a %proc work with caltrops? Is it every damage tick? Is the the first damage tick? The first damage tick per enemy? I'm thinking caltrops slotted with a whole bunch %+Damage would ridiculousness. Also, the %Knockdown from Ragnarok would help caltrops control. Any of these idea's viable?