Archery Overhaul


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Archery is so plain. Boring to watch if i may say.

Edit the power like other sets. normal, glowing, energy, etc. Just different looks to the arrows. Most of the attack u can barely see where the arrow goes. The only way u can tell is if Orange numbers come off the enemies head.

Also maybe add a power in replace of another that is sorta like "Swap Ammo". just keep the same effects.

Reason this came to me is because im doing a synapse and clockwork and other enemies are strong against Smashing Lethal and my damage is so small compared to a defender. Its like wait, what! im a Blaster and the defender is doing more damage then me. Have it where i can change the composition of the arrow.


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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison View Post
No thanks.
I'll have to second that. Archery is just fine as is. Though I wouldn't be against adding some 'flare' to the arrows themselves, it wouldn't really be needed.


 

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The thing is, Archery looks like... Archery. (Well, except Rain of Arrows. Show me someone who can actually do that...) Its look is wholly appropriate.


 

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Gotta say no to this also.


 

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My first 50 was an archery. There is nothing wrong with it as is. Dump everything to make it flashy, no thanks. Adding an option for people that want to make it not look like arrows, maybe. It's really a non-issue for most people.


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Some people LIKE a power set that is just "a guy with a bow".

Adding all kinds of extraneous crap to it would ruin the set for a lot of people that enjoy the fact that it is a viable "Natural" set, of which there aren't a whole lot of options for.

Going to have to say no as well.

Also: The devs have NEVER (to my knowledge) completely overhauled a set because someone said "I want it!". If you want it to happen, you're going to have to provide some compelling reasons for it to happen. And it isn't US you have to convince, it's the people at Paragon Studios actually doing the work that are in need of convincing.

If you want a damage type that isn't lethal, play a different set. Don't demand that the devs change an existing one to suit your desire.


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My Archer is just a regular joe afterall. Makes sense that he isn't as flashy as the other heroes. Still gets the job done though!

Alternate animations I'm fine with, more options are always a +. Changing the set though, well that breaks the Cottage Rule so...

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Personally, I'd like to see some further customization to Archery, specifically to do with the arrow, possibly with the sound and/or visual effects of firing it. Even if they still did Lethal damage, I would find energy arrows fired from an energy bow (Vanguard, say) to be far more interesting than plain old wood/metal arrows.

We already have Beam Rifle which allows you to both pick a weapon AND customize its effects, so I hope the nonsense about only being able to customize one or the other can be put rest now.


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Came here to post the 'customisable arrows' bit, but Sam beat me to it. So, I second that motion. Want me some light/fire/ice/whatever arrows rather than the stock metal ones we have now that make no sense I think every character I have with archery.


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Its a suggestion, I'm not saying redo the whole set but what if i wanted to make an Indian that shot poison tipped arrow heads. Is is not the reason for Swap ammo on a Duel Pistol? That is a realistic set but somehow you can shoot Ice/Fire/Poison from a gun? It can be a power that you can either choose to take and use or skip and stay as a average Joe.

Samuel_tow actually used critical thinking and figured out what I really meant. I was just saying your a superhero and i kinda like looking like a superhero instead of some average Joe schmo. Also good point Samuel_tow. The Vanguard energy bow needs to be accompanied with energy arrows.

And if u want natural look to then don't change it and stop complaining but for us that hate to be realistic and like to escape the real world we would love to have multiple options to the appearance of sets.

Don't dump everything. i love the set but looks should be customizable. And as far as i know that one thing this game is famous for, right?

Or just rip my head off, damn.

Clawandeffect: demand nothing, its in the suggestion thread so back off.

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How can u "unsigned" it if u never signed it to begin with?


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Its a suggestion, I'm not saying redo the whole set
Apparently you don't know what the word "overhaul" means.

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but what if i wanted to make an Indian that shot poison tipped arrow heads.
Then you would make an archery blaster and pretend that he shot poison tipped arrow heads. Probably in a Native American looking costume.

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Is is not the reason for Swap ammo on a Duel Pistol?
Swap Ammo was given to Dual (i.e. two of them) Pistols to give the set something unique. It adds versatility in both debuffs and minor changes to the damage it does.

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That is a realistic set but somehow you can shoot Ice/Fire/Poison from a gun?
There is nothing realistic about Dual Pistols. Neither is there for shooting mind beams that hurt and slow people down. What's your point?

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It can be a power that you can either choose to take and use or skip and stay as a average Joe.
Average Joe can load different types of ammunition, I assure you.

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Samuel_tow actually used critical thinking and figured out what I really meant.
The burden for clear communication is on the speaker.

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I was just saying your a superhero and i kinda like looking like a superhero instead of some average Joe schmo. Also good point Samuel_tow. The Vanguard energy bow needs to be accompanied with energy arrows.
If what you want is to be able to customize the appearance of the arrows, then I'm all for it. I do, however, suggest you work on your delivery, because that's not how your topic came across to the vast majority of us. See the point above this.


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I was going to basically say what Samuel said.

"Overhaul" is definitely not the word I'd agree with and I think Dechs makes some very fair points. Also, Dual Pistols was balanced around the Swap Ammo functions, so it's not just a simple cosmetic thing to add into Archery... and if they added that functionality to Archery, they'd have to adjust the powerset to balance its inclusion and then it'd be worse off if you don't make use of the different ammo types.

Regardless of all of that...
I'd love the ability to customize the arrows.
Not only to get rid of those bright white and yellow arrows (which I would love for my archer), but I'd love to see energy arrows (ala Dungeons & Dragons cartoon!) and an assortment of other possibilities.

I do hope that, one day, major focus goes back into substantial customization options. I have no problem with that not always being the focus, hehe, but I'd love to see dedicated strike teams delivering issues like Issue 16 again!

Lastly... I ask everyone to be friendly, drop any negativity towards each other or from the words written here and just focus on finding the understanding between each other...
As crazy as that may seem!


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They used Overhaul with Energy Aura what did they do? switch 2 powers hehe.

Ya swap ammo to make it versatile. Yay but why cant Archery have that too.

Pretend to have poison tipped arrows. ya umm no. Give me effects

where did mind beams come into the conversation? That's why mind beams are for Superheroes :P Duel pistols is pretty much realistic compared to everything in the game.

My deliver is whats called plain text. The interpretation of that plain text depends on the attitude of the reader toward the subject at hand. If you want clear communication let me set up a meeting place and ill actually talk to you people. It's text, it has no one single version. The only way to really truly tell is if they use :P XD O.o etc.


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LOL True that Electric Knight

People always say things they wouldn't normally say if they were in person. I know plenty of studies have been done.

And yes thank u. Someone gave a reason behind not having swap ammo on a archery and i agree with it. The balance issue they would have to do to archery would be too much and it would ruin it for some, that wont work. :P

So scratch the Swap ammo option. It wouldn't work


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They used Overhaul with Energy Aura what did they do? switch 2 powers hehe.
They did a great deal more than switch two powers.

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Ya swap ammo to make it versatile. Yay but why cant Archery have that too.
Because Archery was not designed with it. Would you be willing to take the tradeoffs that Dual Pistols took to gain your versatility? Namely lower base damage, double recharge on Rain of Arrows, and the lack of Aim? Blazing Arrow would likely have to be reworked as well.

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Pretend to have poison tipped arrows. ya umm no. Give me effects
Again, if you just want to be able to customize the look of the arrows, I'm all for it.

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where did mind beams come into the conversation? That's why mind beams are for Superheroes :P Duel pistols is pretty much realistic compared to everything in the game.
No, Dual Pistols is not realistic, not even in relation to firing mind beams. No one throws a gun in the air while spinning around to catch it and then fire, at least, no one's that's survived the trick in a real fire fight. No one spins and flips around madly while firing in all directions hitting none of his friends and only his enemies and becomes harder to hit while doing so. No one fires that many bullet in the same salvo, mind you, from a revolver.

I say again: There is nothing realistic about Dual Pistols.

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My deliver is whats called plain text. The interpretation of that plain text depends on the attitude of the reader toward the subject at hand. If you want clear communication let me set up a meeting place and ill actually talk to you people. It's text, it has no one single version. The only way to really truly tell is if they use :P XD O.o etc.
No. Your delivery is your own words, the medium is plain text. If you cannot communicate effectively what you intend to in the medium you have, I strongly recommend you not try it.


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I would give a tentative /signed to upgrading the archery set - but not a complete overhaul.

I took an Archer/Ice blaster to 50 and it got to be very tedious - particularly at the later levels. Having the option to swap arrow types in the mode of DP's would certainly not be an issue for me.

Good idea from the OP, who perhaps received some unnecessary comments in this thread.


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They used Overhaul with Energy Aura what did they do? switch 2 powers hehe.

Ya swap ammo to make it versatile. Yay but why cant Archery have that too.
And which power will you ask to have deleted to have that added in?

Again, Dual Pistols was *Designed around that.* It is *NOT* just cosmetic. Its damage, and the buffs/debuffs of the Swap Ammo power, were designed as a *whole set.*

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Duel pistols is pretty much realistic compared to everything in the game.
DuAl pistols is not in the least bit realistic, unless you can show me someone firing randomly into the air and hitting targets in front of them, for example. Or spinning and flipping their guns around and firing them in the same way.

It's designed to look like movie "gun-fu," which nobody in their right mind would do with an *actual* set of pistols.


 

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Nvm found it


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