If you want the villain toys, you have to be a villain (or a Rogue).
You'd need to go full Villain to be able to unlock them via the Patron arcs at level 35. Only Villains and Rogues can do Villain contacts (and to get to Rogue you've got to go through Villain).
Most of the Villain arcs are absurdly mild... you'd spend most of your time fighting Villains, anyways.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Unless they changed for i21, the Patron arcs can only be done at 40+. The powers unlock sooner, but you'll have to wait to do the arc, then respec. However, you get a special respec token for finishing the patron arcs, so it's not that bad.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
You'd need to go full Villain to be able to unlock them via the Patron arcs at level 35. Only Villains and Rogues can do Villain contacts (and to get to Rogue you've got to go through Villain).
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Villain. Now, if you had started villain you could get them as a Rogue. But since you're a hero, you're going Hero->Vigilante->Villain, then you have to go Villain->Rogue->Hero to get to be a bluesider again.
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Haven't tested it myself, but from what I've heard, they have changed it.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Unless they changed for i21, the Patron arcs can only be done at 40+.
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@Roderick
They did move the level requirements down 
(if they didn't, you'd have been seeing a riot by now )
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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yeah, it changed. I moved my VEAT over to Rogue before I realized that VEATs couldn't get Hero epics. So I shelved him at level 35 and the Morality mission in the queue. I logged on for the first time with him post-i21 and got the new contact notification rigth away.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Unless they changed for i21, the Patron arcs can only be done at 40+. The powers unlock sooner, but you'll have to wait to do the arc, then respec. However, you get a special respec token for finishing the patron arcs, so it's not that bad.
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Now, when I go Hero > Vigilante > Villain > Rogue > Hero... If I respec after I'm a hero again, I don't lose access to the PPPs, do I?
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
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I actually hadn't thought about it until this topic, but assumed people must not have minded because of the freespec.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
(if they didn't, you'd have been seeing a riot by now
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Nope, once they're unlocked, they're always unlocked, a permanent reminder that you were willing to sell your soul for power.
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Originally Posted by ChrisMoses
Now, when I go Hero > Vigilante > Villain > Rogue > Hero... If I respec after I'm a hero again, I don't lose access to the PPPs, do I?
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Shameful, really.
But I'll do it.
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.
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I just want to note how stupid it would be for them to allow the powers to be used at 35, but still not unlockable until 40. How incredibly stupid that would be. How insanely, incredibly stupid. Honestly. What the heck.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Unless they changed for i21, the Patron arcs can only be done at 40+. The powers unlock sooner, but you'll have to wait to do the arc, then respec. However, you get a special respec token for finishing the patron arcs, so it's not that bad.
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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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OK here is the lame build I am now using. Please take pity and help me out. How do I get anywhere near teh number yoou folks are talking about. I am a MIDS noob sortof - i dont get frankenslotting very well. thanks p.s.s I d like to get shadowmeld but Im reluctant to go the villian route. can stealth help me get closer or is it worthless?
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mauler: Level 50 Mutation Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Spines
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Lunge
- (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
- (5) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35
- (A) Miracle - +Recovery: Level 40
- (5) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery: Level 50
- (7) Numina's Convalescence - Heal: Level 50
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 50
- (7) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 50
- (9) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (9) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 50
- (11) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50
- (11) Obliteration - Damage: Level 50
- (13) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (13) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
- (15) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
- (15) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 40
- (17) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod: Level 40
- (17) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance: Level 40
- (A) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff: Level 50
- (19) Adjusted Targeting - Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (19) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance: Level 40
- (21) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Recharge: Level 50
- (23) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 50
- (23) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 50
- (25) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (25) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 50
- (27) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage: Level 40
- (27) Decimation - Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (29) Decimation - Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (29) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (31) Decimation - Chance of Build Up: Level 40
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 50
- (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense: Level 50
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range: Level 50
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 40
- (33) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 40
- (33) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (34) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 40
- (34) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (A) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal): Level 40
- (34) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (36) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage: Level 40
- (36) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (36) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (37) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 40
- (A) Recharge Reduction
- (31) Recharge Reduction
- (33) Recharge Reduction
- (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
- (37) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
- (37) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
- (39) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35
- (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance: Level 40
- (39) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance: Level 40
- (39) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge: Level 40
- (40) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (A) Recharge Reduction
- (42) Recharge Reduction
- (42) Recharge Reduction
- (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 40
- (42) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (43) Obliteration - Damage: Level 40
- (43) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 40
- (43) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (45) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (A) Endurance Reduction
- (40) Defense Buff
- (48) Defense Buff
- (48) Defense Buff
- (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage: Level 40
- (40) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (45) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (45) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range: Level 40
- (46) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 40
- (46) Reactive Armor - Resistance: Level 40
- (A) Accuracy
- (46) Accuracy
- (A) Accuracy
- (A) Accuracy
- (48) Accuracy
- (50) Recharge Reduction
- (50) Damage Increase
- (50) Damage Increase
- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30
Level 2: Swift
- (A) Run Speed
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal: Level 40
- (21) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance: Level 40
- (A) Jumping
- (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod: Level 40
- (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
- (A) Endurance Reduction
- (A) Empty
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I would highly encourage any tourists in the Rogue Isles to pick up the Demonic accolade while they're there.
Do a 2 mission Ouroborous arc that unlocks at 35, pick up a few exploration badges, and kill 100 Hellfrosts as you run round Potter's Field in Sharkhead, about 8 times.
Its much easier than the hero equivalent, and offers you pretty much complete invulnerability for 1 minute out of every 25 (or less with recharge bonuses). It can be very useful for taking out tricky Elite Bosses in your Patron arc in fact.
If you like Shadow Meld or Scorpion Shield, you'll probably like this.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
Unless they changed for i21, the Patron arcs can only be done at 40+. The powers unlock sooner, but you'll have to wait to do the arc, then respec. However, you get a special respec token for finishing the patron arcs, so it's not that bad.
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There was, for a while, a bug where the patron missions you could take at level 35-39 were still spawning enemies at level 40, but they've since fixed this, as well.
Where to find me after the end:
The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
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Handy link.
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Originally Posted by Dr Harmony
I would highly encourage any tourists in the Rogue Isles to pick up the Demonic accolade while they're there.
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Where to find me after the end:
The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
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Depends on why this would be an issue for you. If it's thematic/RP reasons, you're going undercover for an extended period. Or, it never happened, because it's silly to lock power options behind a character morality, so you did it OOC to get access to a power set, not to be some evil schmoe's lackey for a while.|
Originally Posted by King Krimson
I'd like to get shadowmeld but I'm reluctant to go the villian route.
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Otoh, if it's a matter of not liking redside maps, missions, whatever... eh, grin and bear it, or do without.
Where to find me after the end:
The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
Yep, I did this just the other day. The patron contact opens up (and is automatically added to your list through a pop-up) at 35... after you visit the trainer and pick your new power for that level (which can be from one of the non-patron epic pools, thus preventing you from taking a patron pool after you've unlocked them). So basically, you can take a patron power at level 35, but only via a respec. Otherwise you're looking at waiting until 38.
Still fairly stupid, but not as stupid as the 35/40 thing.
FUN FACT: That burst of light when you level up is actually the effectiveness escaping from your enhancements all at once.
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Originally Posted by Bloodspeaker
Incorrect. Just started a patron arc on one of my villains yesterday, when he hit 35.
There was, for a while, a bug where the patron missions you could take at level 35-39 were still spawning enemies at level 40, but they've since fixed this, as well. |
Yep the +6-+8s I was seeing on my Dom made this interesting to say the least but the xp was nice
Mind of Gaia lvl 50 Defiant's first Mind/Storm 'troller.
Deadly Doc 50 Dark/Dark Corr
and lots more on Pinnacle,Union and Defiant
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
Most of the Villain arcs are absurdly mild... you'd spend most of your time fighting Villains, anyways.
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There are three basic ways (that I can think of, at least) to justify a hero going redside without "really" being a villain. Two have already been mentioned:
-Do it OOC: for a few days, you're not getting into your character, you're just playing a video game.
-Pull a Manticore: You're going undercover or something until you accomplish what you need (in this case, gaining some redside powers).
-Pull a Malaise: Due to mind control, possession, or whatever other reason you like, your character is not in control of his own actions for a while, so although you clearly did some bad things, it wasn't because you're evil.
I wants it.
How far into the Rogue Isles (and by extension, the morality system), do I have to go to get access to the Patron Power pools (and the Arbiter missions to unlock them, I'm assuming?)?
This is for my all-hero Sword/Regen Scrapper. If I have to go full-villain, I'll feel dirty, but I'll do it and then come back ASAP.
Thanks for eight fun years, Paragon.