Remove Account Level Email Unlocks
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Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2011-09-18 07:41 in Suggestions and Ideas
They decided it would be better to make all Trainers Tailors.
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Yeah, I know. A lame workaround for a poor design.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
They decided it would be better to make all Trainers Tailors.
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You can hide unclaimable account items under options.
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Originally Posted by Hercules
The other annoying thing: The incarnate items that sit there and cause your email tray to flash until your character hits 50.
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^ This, /signed|
Originally Posted by Hercules
I'd prefer to have the old system, where account level items just automatically apply to all characters.
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And, guess what? If the damn email server goes down, like it did in Beta, then you can't claim ANYTHING. Which is [Censored] ¬¬
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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You can't claim anything if the servers themselves go down either and that's happened far more often than just the emails going down.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
^ This, /signed
And, guess what? If the damn email server goes down, like it did in Beta, then you can't claim ANYTHING. Which is [Censored] ¬¬ |
I still find the naming scheme counter-intuitive. Character Unlocks, to me, suggests that they are limited to that character, while Account Unlocks may be used by any character, but the opposite is true. I'm glad I figured this out before I actually used any of my Character Unlocks (not that any of them are especially worth using...).
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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Me too.|
Originally Posted by Hercules
I'd prefer to have the old system, where account level items just automatically apply to all characters.
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Why the need to log in before I can apply (or even see) the new aura or whatever?
Me no like!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
personally i think the astral/emp merit vendors in ouro were more of a "test" for the new email system used to claim stuff like vet powers
i do agree that at least the stuff from the astral/emp merit vendors needs to be an account application instead of just granting a stupid little certification saying you can claim it
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Not sure I understand what you're saying...|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
I still find the naming scheme counter-intuitive. Character Unlocks, to me, suggests that they are limited to that character, while Account Unlocks may be used by any character, but the opposite is true. I'm glad I figured this out before I actually used any of my Character Unlocks (not that any of them are especially worth using...).
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Character unlock items are limited to whichever character claims them.
Account unlocks appear for all your toons and can be claimed by all your toons ( with the exception of the level 50 incarnate pieces ... ugh )
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Well, yes...but you can't do *anything* CoH related if the servers are down anyway |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You can't claim anything if the servers themselves go down either and that's happened far more often than just the emails going down.
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Whereas if the servers are up but global/email is down, that's just frustrating, especially when Vet awards used to be fully claimable at all times (so long as the game servers were up, obviously)
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Personally, I too liked the way the rewards were claimed before.
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That's not how I interpret it. To me, an Account Unlock item (Enhancement Boosters, for instance) should be one whose counter is global and may be decremented by any character on the account, while a Character Unlock item (respecs/costume tokens that were formerly granted by the Veteran Rewards system, Nemesis Staff, etc.) should have a counter for each character which may only be decremented by that character. The game currently works in the opposite manner, which I believe is what you described but is so counter-intuitive to me that I can't really process it.|
Originally Posted by Hercules
Not sure I understand what you're saying...
Character unlock items are limited to whichever character claims them. Account unlocks appear for all your toons and can be claimed by all your toons ( with the exception of the level 50 incarnate pieces ... ugh ) |
I freely admit that I may be the only person whose brain is screwed-up enough to interpret it like this.
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
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I interpreted it completely the other way, myself. I asked before assuming I was right, of course, but the way I figured was thusly: Account unlocks are things unlocked for the entire account in the same way account-wide badges are applied to every character you create, account-wide costume pieces from Boosters apply to every character you create and so forth. Character unlocks are not unlocked for the whole character, but only the specific character you're playing, like the Roman gear, the Rularuu weapons, all game-earnable badges and so forth. These are things that are unique only to the character who claims them.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
That's not how I interpret it. To me, an Account Unlock item (Enhancement Boosters, for instance) should be one whose counter is global and may be decremented by any character on the account, while a Character Unlock item (respecs/costume tokens that were formerly granted by the Veteran Rewards system, Nemesis Staff, etc.) should have a counter for each character which may only be decremented by that character. The game currently works in the opposite manner, which I believe is what you described but is so counter-intuitive to me that I can't really process it.
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Granted, I was used to "claiming" these things by performing in-game actions rather than directly claiming things off mail, but account-wide unlocks worked as I'd have expected them.
That, and all my veteran rewards appeared to have migrated to my Account Items while my Character Items were populated exclusively by enhancement unslotters, enhancement boosters and other things which are pretty clearly single-use consumables lest the Paragon Market be driven pointless, so at least for someone with rewards in both sections, it was easy to infer based on what rewards were in which section.
I'm just angry that my Email is now perpetually red.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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So, you're saying that the Prestige Sprints should be cluttering up my enhancement management screen whether I want them there or not? |
Originally Posted by Hercules
I'd prefer to have the old system, where account level items just automatically apply to all characters.
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Because that's one of the "account level" items. Auto-applying everything to every character means you will be stuck with those powers on your character, even if you don't want them at all. And once claimed you can't get rid of them.
I'll pass.
Besides, with any account level items you may have, there should be at least one free tailor token in there as well, so it costs you squat to make adjustments at Ms. Liberty, which is 30 seconds into the game if you skip the tutorial.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
Honestly, it just needs a whole new interface, cramming it into the e-mail interface was a mistake. It doesn't quite fit once you start accumulating rewards (or if you already have a bunch), and it makes it look like you always have e-mail, even if you don't.
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
I strongly suspect that things are the way they are now because it was more convenient, and/or the old way was much MUCH more inconvenient, to keep adding things.
My characters at Virtueverse
Faces of the City
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Me too. I tell myself every time that it means the opposite of what it says. That way I can keep it straight.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
I still find the naming scheme counter-intuitive. Character Unlocks, to me, suggests that they are limited to that character, while Account Unlocks may be used by any character, but the opposite is true. I'm glad I figured this out before I actually used any of my Character Unlocks (not that any of them are especially worth using...).
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Originally Posted by Hercules
Not sure I understand what you're saying...
Character unlock items are limited to whichever character claims them. Account unlocks appear for all your toons and can be claimed by all your toons ( with the exception of the level 50 incarnate pieces ... ugh ) |
The ones that all of your characters get are called account items.
Just seems backward.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Honestly, it just needs a whole new interface, cramming it into the e-mail interface was a mistake. It doesn't quite fit once you start accumulating rewards (or if you already have a bunch), and it makes it look like you always have e-mail, even if you don't.
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This last part is what drives me nuts. I can't abide having that red "email" sitting there on my bar all the time, demanding I attend to it. But the only way to make it go away is to claim all my rewards, whether I want them right now or not. Some of them I know I'll never want - like the prestige sprints, which I only use on certain characters. The toons who use plain old vanilla Sprint don't need those cluttering up their enhancement screen. But unless I claim them, that red indicator will keep staring at me forever. Eventually I'm sure I'll learn to ignore it, but still if someone emails me I won't know unless I happen to open the email menu for something else. ARGH!!
My name is Random, and I'm an alt-aholic.
Main / Badger: Flamesprite - Fire/Fire Blaster - Triumph
Global: @Dynamite Monkey
Way too many alts on Triumph, Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted.
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I think there is an option, somewhere in the general options, that will prevent the red-letter notice from unclaimed account rewards.|
Originally Posted by Random_McEric
This last part is what drives me nuts. I can't abide having that red "email" sitting there on my bar all the time, demanding I attend to it. But the only way to make it go away is to claim all my rewards, whether I want them right now or not. Some of them I know I'll never want - like the prestige sprints, which I only use on certain characters. The toons who use plain old vanilla Sprint don't need those cluttering up their enhancement screen. But unless I claim them, that red indicator will keep staring at me forever. Eventually I'm sure I'll learn to ignore it, but still if someone emails me I won't know unless I happen to open the email menu for something else. ARGH!!
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I've not checked it myself, but I recall it being mentioned.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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The option is for UNCLAIMABLE rewards, not unclaimed rewards. Things like the Ascension Armor (50-only) on non-50s.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I think there is an option, somewhere in the general options, that will prevent the red-letter notice from unclaimed account rewards.
I've not checked it myself, but I recall it being mentioned. |
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
The option is for UNCLAIMABLE rewards, not unclaimed rewards. Things like the Ascension Armor (50-only) on non-50s.
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Thanks and my apologies for the mistake and false hope!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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If there is such an option I'd be thrilled but I've looked before and didn't see it. I suspect what you're thinking of is the option that hides rewards that CAN'T be claimed yet (i.e. rewards that require you to be level 50).|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I think there is an option, somewhere in the general options, that will prevent the red-letter notice from unclaimed account rewards.
I've not checked it myself, but I recall it being mentioned. |
EDIT: I didn't notice there was a page 2 to this thread. Aggelakis already said the same thing 2 days ago. Nothing to see here. Move along.
My name is Random, and I'm an alt-aholic.
Main / Badger: Flamesprite - Fire/Fire Blaster - Triumph
Global: @Dynamite Monkey
Way too many alts on Triumph, Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted.
You just had to drag up the *one and only error I have ever committed on these forums... didn't you??? 
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@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
You just had to drag up the *one and only error I have ever committed on these forums... didn't you???
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Hey, you didn't have to bump this thread by responding again. It's almost off the first page now. If everyone just keeps quiet then no one will ever know your deep, shameful secret.
... oops.
My name is Random, and I'm an alt-aholic.
Main / Badger: Flamesprite - Fire/Fire Blaster - Triumph
Global: @Dynamite Monkey
Way too many alts on Triumph, Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted.
I'd prefer to have the old system, where account level items just automatically apply to all characters.
I was attempting to make a new character this morning, and realized that quite a few of the "locked" items would be available to me AFTER I zoned in and unlocked them. Net Result: I have to spend influence to make costume changes that should be available from the character designer. Extremely annoying IMO and a poor design.
The other annoying thing: The incarnate items that sit there and cause your email tray to flash until your character hits 50.
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