Too Many Paragon Points & Reward Tokens


Caulderone

 

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Here's my thread going on that subject. My account renewed on the 15th, and I got no Token or Points...

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=271907
Mine just renewed today, and no points or token - although, I was 400 points ahead to begin with. So either I am missing 150 points or 550 points and definitely missing one token.


 

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Updated my Post that I linked above with today's response.


 

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Got a response from GM Grackle.
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Got a response from

Any update on yours yet? None on mine so far.


 

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From another thread:

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Originally Posted by Beastyle View Post
As existing VIP subscribers, when the City of Heroes Freedom™ Head Start began, your game accounts automatically received credit for being active in September, as your first month of having VIP status. Paragon Points were awarded on the date Head Start began, instead of on your monthly billing date.

Going forward from October you will receive your Paragon Points on your game account's billing date as long as you maintain VIP status.
So that explains the points I got on Sept. 14 (400+150).

Billing Date Update (28th):
  • I got no points on my billing date this month (28th), so it's WAI, per the post above.
  • No additional Reward Token on the 28th, but I'm not due one according to support (see post above, GM_Grackle).
  • No additional server transfer token awarded.
I'm still +400 Paragon Points by my accounting with no explanation or response from support since 09/16/2011.


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I think I figured it out and it has to do with July being 31 days and having been subbed in June.

In july they awarded everyone that was subbed in the month of July for even 1 day 400 points. But if you resubbed in the month of july you would have gotten another 400 points for resubbing. If someone wasn't subbed in june and resubbed in July for the 400 points they would have just gotten those 400 points. So June/july awarded 800 points. July only rewarded 400 points.

So your june payment comes do. You resub. July comes around and on july 1st every account is awarded 400 points. You resubbed in the end of July gaining another 400 points so basically double dipped in July. I did the same thing, I'm guessing anyone that was subbed in June and resubbed in july did the same thing as well. August doesn't double dip because the system is working as normal by this point in regards to point rewards and you get 400 points. All of this is awarded on september 13th so you get 1200 points when you think you should only be getting 800 points.

On or around September 14th they give everyone their september rewards. For some accounts this was late (september 1-13th), for others it was normal (september 14), and for some it was early (15th-30th). This causes confusion as you would not normally have gotten the reward until later in september. So your bill date rolls around and you don't get the reward because it was already rewarded earlier that month (again same boat as you, I would have gotten my around the 25th but it was actually awarded on the 14th).

My guess is that they rewarded everyone on the 14th to allow those that had a september bill date of (1st-13th) to get the rewards for september otherwise they would have missed the september reward entirely as they would have technically fallen under the old reward system/billing plan. Its a funky little thing as they opened everything up in the middle of the month rather then the start or end of the month. It all makes sense in a weird sort of way/logic when you look at it and why some accounts got 1200 points, and others 1600 point or even higher do to being a tier 9 on september 14th.

Everything from this point on will be rewarded as normal come october as you will get your reward on or around your bill date.. the reward date can be a few days off of the billing date for some accounts do to timecards being a static 30 or 60 day option, and NCsoft may just call every month 30 days regardless of actual numbers of days in the month for all accounts, so you may see a few funky bits do to that and bill/reward dates may be a few days off but otherwise everything is working as intended.

You wouldn't have gotten 2 server transfers for september but would have just gotten the 1 transfer on or around the 14th as I beleive it came a few days later. So you should have 1 for september I know my account has 1 transfer on it. Again this is normal. You wouldn't have gotten another on the 28th as it was already rewarded on or around the 14th.

Your reward token, the 550 paragon points, the server transfer were all rewarded on the 14th rather then the on your sept 28th bill date.

Hope that cleared everything up and why you had an extra 400 points and didn't get an extra server token. That was from being subbed in june and having to resub in july.

I hope all that babbling made sense...


 

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Originally Posted by Montaugh View Post
I think I figured it out and it has to do with July being 31 days and having been subbed in June.

In july they awarded everyone that was subbed in the month of July for even 1 day 400 points. But if you resubbed in the month of july you would have gotten another 400 points for resubbing. If someone wasn't subbed in june and resubbed in July for the 400 points they would have just gotten those 400 points. So June/july awarded 800 points. July only rewarded 400 points.

So your june payment comes do. You resub. July comes around and on july 1st every account is awarded 400 points. You resubbed in the end of July gaining another 400 points so basically double dipped in July. I did the same thing, I'm guessing anyone that was subbed in June and resubbed in july did the same thing as well. August doesn't double dip because the system is working as normal by this point in regards to point rewards and you get 400 points. All of this is awarded on september 13th so you get 1200 points when you think you should only be getting 800 points.

On or around September 14th they give everyone their september rewards. For some accounts this was late (september 1-13th), for others it was normal (september 14), and for some it was early (15th-30th). This causes confusion as you would not normally have gotten the reward until later in september. So your bill date rolls around and you don't get the reward because it was already rewarded earlier that month (again same boat as you, I would have gotten my around the 25th but it was actually awarded on the 14th).

My guess is that they rewarded everyone on the 14th to allow those that had a september bill date of (1st-13th) to get the rewards for september otherwise they would have missed the september reward entirely as they would have technically fallen under the old reward system/billing plan. Its a funky little thing as they opened everything up in the middle of the month rather then the start or end of the month. It all makes sense in a weird sort of way/logic when you look at it and why some accounts got 1200 points, and others 1600 point or even higher do to being a tier 9 on september 14th.

Everything from this point on will be rewarded as normal come october as you will get your reward on or around your bill date.. the reward date can be a few days off of the billing date for some accounts do to timecards being a static 30 or 60 day option, and NCsoft may just call every month 30 days regardless of actual numbers of days in the month for all accounts, so you may see a few funky bits do to that and bill/reward dates may be a few days off but otherwise everything is working as intended.

You wouldn't have gotten 2 server transfers for september but would have just gotten the 1 transfer on or around the 14th as I beleive it came a few days later. So you should have 1 for september I know my account has 1 transfer on it. Again this is normal. You wouldn't have gotten another on the 28th as it was already rewarded on or around the 14th.

Your reward token, the 550 paragon points, the server transfer were all rewarded on the 14th rather then the on your sept 28th bill date.

Hope that cleared everything up and why you had an extra 400 points and didn't get an extra server token. That was from being subbed in june and having to resub in july.

I hope all that babbling made sense...
Thank you for taking the time to reply. Your post is not entirely clear in many areas.

I find your premise invalid.
  • I'm on a yearly subscription that last renewed in March 2011.
  • My next payment is in May 2012.
  • I don't use time cards.
  • There was no "re-subscription" only an on-paper "billing date".
  • There were no payments made in June OR July.
  • There was no system awarding Paragon Points in the month of August. (All Paragon Points were credited to accounts as a result of a script run in September)
  • If I were a brand new subscriber, I'd expect to get my server transfer, reward token and Paragon Points on the day I paid my money, not at the end of the month when my playtime was up.

The method this script used to derive how many points should be awarded is what I fundamentally question.


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And now on October 12th, I got another 550 Paragon Points.

My microtransactions now look like this:

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Date Game Account Name Item Source Status
Oct 12, 2011 City of Heroes Freedom™ storyteller 400 Paragon Points VIP Completed
Oct 12, 2011 City of Heroes Freedom™ storyteller 150 Paragon Points VIP Completed
Sep 14, 2011 City of Heroes Freedom™ storyteller 400 Paragon Points VIP Completed
Sep 14, 2011 City of Heroes Freedom™ storyteller 150 Paragon Points VIP Completed
Sep 13, 2011 City of Heroes Freedom™ storyteller 400 Paragon Points VIP Completed
Sep 13, 2011 City of Heroes Freedom™ storyteller 400 Paragon Points VIP Completed
Sep 13, 2011 City of Heroes Freedom™ storyteller 400 Paragon Points VIP Completed
I'm not short points, but I've been over-rewarded by 950 Paragon Points.

September 13th awarding: 400 points for being subscribed on my billing date in July (28th), 400 points for being subscribed on my billing date in August (28th), 400 points for ???

September 14th awarding: 550 points awarded in advance of my billing date on September 28th. See above: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...5&postcount=31

October 12th awarding: 550 points for ???

So did I just get my 550 points for my billing date on October 28th? That contradicts what was said here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...06&postcount=1

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If your game account has a bill day between the 11th of the month to the 31st of the month, you will receive your Paragon Points on your game accounts billing date, as long as you maintain the VIP status of your game account.


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So did I just get my 550 points for my billing date on October 28th? That contradicts what was said here: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...06&postcount=1
I am pretty sure this is what happened, even though it wasn't meant to. Several people received their points early, while some that should have received them have reported not getting them.

At this point, I'm not sure if anyone at NCSoft/Paragon knows how things are supposed to work. And it will take a while for everyone to get on the same page and get the scripts worked out. :-S


 

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Well could get the problem I am having... try not having something award to you that you ALREADY own. Wife and I already OWN the pre-order enhancements of Going Rogue. And here is a HUGE long talk I and my wife have had with them. We kept getting responses like well since you already own it you should put a point into it. First off, isn't that simply re-buying something you already own and spent hard earned cash for? Like Seriously, If I were to walk over to your hosue and say you have to buy your computer cause you already own it, you would be not only be, "What the heck?" but also, "Excuse me, it is already mine so back off!"

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Response GM Lloyd via Email 10/16/2011 11:48 AM

Hi Nicole,

I believe I understand your concerns about this issue. However, please understand that you're talking to Game Support, not the Development Team.

If you feel strongly about this particular issue, please use the official forums to address the Development Team directly. You haven't been talking to any people who had any direct control over how the Paragon Rewards system was set up. If you use the forums, you will.

You can reach the forums at http://boards.cityofheroes.com/.

If you have other questions for Game Support, please let us know.

Best,
GM Lloyd
City of Heroes Support Team
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Customer Nicole Schmidt via CSS Web 10/16/2011 02:31 AM

Oh and the Pre-order items... were exactly 10 dollars above the normal going rogue price cause of the pre-order. it is a seperate item and NOT a veteran reward. This might also clarify things.

Customer Nicole Schmidt via CSS Web 10/16/2011 02:26 AM

Ok now that makes no sense what so ever. Ok are you saying I can't get one since I already have it? Ok... so I already have the items, have the enhancements NEVER put a point into the reward, and your telling me to get them I have to put a point into something I already own without the paragon point in it.... if this is what your telling me... I want to speak to either someone above you in the gm department or higher cause that simply is strange and confusing. Let me break this down more clearly hopefulyl this will make sense when I re-write this down.

1. I already have the Going Rogue Pre-Order stuff before any of the paragon rewards system was made.
2. I am missing a point in the rewards system saying I have to spend more money to purchase this point that should already be AUTOMATICALLY awarded for already having it.
3. Because I have not put a point in this part of the system for something I ALREADY OWN, I cannot move up to next Tier of rewards.
4. I have to Re-purchase this point for something I already have on my account awarded to me and will get nothing out of the spending the paragon reward point?
5. So your asking me to re-buy what I already own?
6. Now your telling me and I quote, "The reason you have to spend a token in something you already own, is because you already own it. It is not supposed to give you the same item again."
7. So I spend a point in something I already own and waste a point that could go into something else I need more because I am supposed to spend it on things I already own and am awarded without the point?
8. If this still is not clear enough I would like either a phone number to call for some live support to explain this more in detail or to have someone with a high up enough status to look more clearly at what I am trying to explain...

From what you have told me it is like if the roles were reversed... I would be telling you that you have to re-buy your car because you already own it. Does that sound logical to you?
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Response GM Xionaque via Email 10/15/2011 12:29 PM Greetings Nicole.

The Paragon Reward system is designed to pick up where the Veteran System left off while allowing us to phase the Veteran Reward system out. It is not designed to be a brand new system with brand new rewards but more a parallel system to offer more. The reason you have to spend a token in something you already own, is because you already own it. It is not supposed to give you the same item again.

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact us.

Regards,
GM Xionaque
The City of Heroes Support Team
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Customer Nicole Schmidt via CSS Web 10/15/2011 02:48 AM

Seems your still not understanding at all what I have been saying. We already have the perk code for pre-ordering Going rogue so it awards us the enhancements even not having a point in that paragon reward. Now my point is this. Why do we have to spend a point into something we ALREADY possess and can't get a SECOND time. the enhancements are UNIQUE and will become unusable after level 20 anyways. WE are asking that it be awarded already for having ALREADY owning this item before your PARAGON REWARDS even existed. It's like denying you access to something because you have to double purchase something all over again. Get the point I am making now? And this goes for both my Husband and Myself and we have listed these accounts. It is simply meaningless to have to spend an award token on something you already possess and get nothing out of it!
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Response GM Xionaque via Email 10/10/2011 10:13 AM

Hello Nicole,

The link pasted below does an awesome job of breaking down exactly how reward points are supposed to work. Please give it a look and let us know if you still don't have what you believe you should have.

Link: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Reward_Token

Thank you,
GM Xionaque
The City of Heroes Support Team
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Customer Nicole Schmidt via CSS Web 10/10/2011 01:13 AM

Ok that is not what i am asking.. any of my new characters do have the preorder enhancemts automatically. HOWEVER the tier 7 far right side of the screen paragone reward it is saying we have to spend a reward point to get them. We already have them from preordering going rogue, its listed on our acct as a perk so why should my husband and myself spend a point to get to the next tier on somethuing we already have and they are all unique so we cant use multiple in a power. Once out leveled they become usless anyways. But our main concern here is spending paragone rewards on stuff we already have to get to the next tier. We need this done for my husband acct as well as mine.
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Response GM Lloyd via Email 10/05/2011 12:43 PM

Hi Nicole,

There might be an issue with the bonus enhancements you're talking about, but while these bonuses are available via Paragon Rewards now, if you preordered Going Rogue.

Could you confirm if this is happening to all your characters, or just new ones? If you could give me the names of the characters on this account that are missing the enhancements, that would be great.

Best,
GM Lloyd
City of Heroes Support Team
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Customer Nicole Schmidt via CSS Web 10/05/2011 01:14 AM

That is not what i am referring too. I am referring to the paragon rewards of the pre order enhancements on the tier 6 or 7 when we are ready purchased it by pre order of going rogue and we are having to spend a point in the rewards in that tier to get to the next one when we already have the item. We should not have to spend a point to gedt to the next tier on something we already have. We still have the cd keys sitting on my acct for going rogue.
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Response GM Grackle via Email 10/04/2011 06:08 PM

Nicole,

I'm afraid I don't know exactly what it is that you need help with. If you're referring to access to the Invention system in-game, and also Invention Origin enhancements, then VIP members have unrestricted access to that system as part of their membership.

Since City of Heroes Freedom went live, access to the Invention system in the game is now conditional. By that, I just mean that it's automatically included with VIP membership, but Premium and Play-for-Free members must purchase access to that system via the Paragon Market or Paragon Rewards system. This also includes the use of Ivention Origin enhancements that are applied to/equipped on your characters.

Does this cover your concern or are you referring to something else?

Regards,
GM Grackle
The City of Heroes Support Team
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Response GM Tony via Email 10/03/2011 05:38 PM

Hello Nicole,

I am escalating your petition for review and a Senior Specialist will be in contact with you as soon as possible. You should receive a reply within 24 hours.

Take care,
GM Tony
City of Heroes Support Team
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Customer Nicole Schmidt 10/03/2011 04:33 PM Windows:

When going rogue came out, my husband and i both purchased the gouing rogue preorder so we would have the enhancement sets. Now since it went free, we do have the enhancement sets, but we still have to spend a point in the rewards thing to move to the next achievment? that doesnt seem fair. we already bought the pre order of it and been playing coh and cov long before that. Is there some way we can get that slot thing put in the rewards so we dont have to spend another reward point on getting that stuff.


 

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Well could get the problem I am having... try not having something award to you that you ALREADY own. Wife and I already OWN the pre-order enhancements of Going Rogue. And here is a HUGE long talk I and my wife have had with them. We kept getting responses like well since you already own it you should put a point into it. First off, isn't that simply re-buying something you already own and spent hard earned cash for? Like Seriously, If I were to walk over to your hosue and say you have to buy your computer cause you already own it, you would be not only be, "What the heck?" but also, "Excuse me, it is already mine so back off!"
The slot that the GR Pre-order Enhancements now occupy was the City Traveller slot. Since they made travel powers available for EVERYONE at level 4 in Issue 21, they did an even swap.

You don't HAVE to put a token in that slot, but if you don't, you can't progress any further than Tier 7 on the tree. And if you DO place a token there, you'll still get the Enhancement Boosters--also part of that slot--for it; you're not just getting "nothing."

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And that "spent hard-earned cash for" line is BS. They were free as part of the preorder.


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