Building a character to host lowbies/exemplar with


DrOctagon

 

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I'm leveling up a Shield/Elec tanker specifically for hosting fun teams with lower level pubbies. I want to play some of the older story arcs, run tips mishes and TFs and just enjoy some content I've never played much (Midnighters Club/Cimerora, Croatoa, Ouro, custom AE mishes, etc).

My plan is to level him to 50 as soon as I can (he's 39) and then do as many trials as I can to unlock some incarnate slots. I realize I can start now without having incarnate slots, but I'd rather have them first. In that time I'll try to pick up some IO sets and make as much money as I can so I can pass out some cash and just generally be a fun host for lowbies/newbies.

I've read about how enhancements work with exemplaring but I'm not sure I completely understand. Also, I don't have much experience with Flashback missions. Is it easier to enhance with however high level enhancements I want and play flashbacks, or enhance somewhat lower so I can exemplar back?

Any other ideas about things I can do to make it easier to exemplar down, and/or enjoy the content I mentioned above?


 

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The first trick with exemplaring is if you ever respec, don't forget to take your travel power as early as possible and any anti-mez power your power set may have as early as possible. It's no fun if you find out you have to run everywhere at Lvl 30 or are stunned every other encounter because you chose your powers during a respec poorly.

So I assume you read this over at ParagonWiki. Yes it gets to be rather confusing when you are dealing with IO set bonuses. The key thing to understand here is if you are now more than 3 Lvls below the level of an IO enhancement, that enhancement no longer counts toward the "with X of this set you get bonus Y". Very rare and PVP IO sets "purples" are immune to this effect.


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Here's some general tips that I keep in mind:

1) Take advantage of slots- Slots from higher levels don't go away when you exemp down. So 6 slot those lower level powers so even though your enhancers scale down, you still get good enhancement values.

2) Get your Accolade powers, love your Accolade powers- They work at all levels now. The hit point and End bonuses, and a power like Demonic/Eye of the Magus can be invaluable to easy exemping.

3) Take advantage of the +5 rule- You get powers from 5 levels above whatever level you exemp to. Keep that in mind when planning the build.

4) Make sure you have an attack chain- It doesn't have to be the best chain, but it really does make a difference if you have 3 of your own attacks and don't have to rely on Veteran powers because you only have 1 regular attack.

5) Purple Sets are your friend- Their IO Set bonuses don't follow the normal rules. They stay active at all levels. They're expensive of course, but in an exemping build well worth the investment.

6) Plan your IO Levels- I have a Tanker designed to tank the Abandoned Sewer Trial. When I slotted him for this, I kept a close eye on the level of my IOs, so that I wouldn't lose IO bonuses when exemped down to that level. I assure you, he's not gimped at 50 either. I can do all my normal tanking duties up to and including incarnate trials. However having as many bonuses as you can get at lower levels really helps.


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This is all helpful and great advice, thanks a lot.

Is there a way to identify purple IOs by looking at them, or should I consult a list?

Ouro has a level 25 requirement so no one under 25 can do flashbacks, right? Can I still get older mishes as a level 50?


 

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Hi,

I think you will find that Oro access is dropping to lvl 14 when issue 21 hits live.

Cheers


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Originally Posted by DrOctagon View Post
Ouro has a level 25 requirement so no one under 25 can do flashbacks, right? Can I still get older mishes as a level 50?
When it comes to purple IOs, the recipes are in purple text. It might be good to find a list and get a handle on the names. There aren't that many of them.

As for Ouroboros, yes the requirement is being lowered. Additionally, if we're talking about helping lower leveled friends, you can always just get in a group with them and do their missions while guiding them to the contacts you'd like to experience.


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I'm leveling up a Shield/Elec tanker specifically for hosting fun teams with lower level pubbies.
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My plan is to level him to 50 as soon as I can (he's 39) and then do as many trials as I can to unlock some incarnate slots.
Are you aware that you lose all incarnate powers when you exemp below level 45?


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I usually start getting IO sets for characters starting at level 27 to 30, and try to keep the level of IOs at 35 or below for powers obtained at those levels. The bonuses are generally "good enough" for me (better than even-con SOs), which means I can often exemp down to level 25-30 without any loss of set bonuses on the powers that are still available at those levels.

Since the content below that is generally aimed at SOed characters, you usually have no problems running at those levels by virtue of the inherent "enhancement diversity" that IO sets enforce. That is, most IO sets give a good balance of accuracy, damage, end reduction and +recharge.

If you're not trying to to get some special kind of build (soft-capping to S/L, for example), your job is a lot easier.

However, if you're trying to keep the softcap at lower levels (say, 25, which would let you run level 20 content and keep your bonuses), you will find that the values of the enhancement bonuses will be significantly lower than the bonuses you'd get at higher levels. That is, if you slot multiple sets of Kinetic Combat 25 for the S/L bonuses, they will give a noticeably small accuracy, damage, end red and recharge bonuses for your attacks. Ditto for Reactive Armor and similar sets.

You might therefore want to "frankenslot" one or two other level 50 IOs in those powers that use lower-level IOs to keep the overall enhancement bonus high.


 

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Hi,

I think you will find that Oro access is dropping to lvl 14 when issue 21 hits live.

Cheers
I believe any level can join an Ouro mission if you run from the mission crystal thingy in a base, instead of from Ouroboros.

Also someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe PvP IO bonuses work when exempted as well? And procs work at all levels too.

I remember someone -- I want to say Catwhoorg -- designed a build that could work at any level, using purple and pvp recipes (and a lot of money).



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One point nobody made yet that I can see is that Recall Friend comes in very handy at the early levels, especially if you took your travel power early too. Exemped characters get access to powers 5 levels higher than their exemplared level, which means they could be in a great position to help travel-powerless lowbies get around. (At least until I21 when lowbies get travel powers at level 4.)


 

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I usually start getting IO sets for characters starting at level 27 to 30, and try to keep the level of IOs at 35 or below for powers obtained at those levels. The bonuses are generally "good enough" for me (better than even-con SOs), which means I can often exemp down to level 25-30 without any loss of set bonuses on the powers that are still available at those levels.
When the desired set bonuses are critical, level 30 is the highest I go for IO sets, and I will go as low as 27 on some of them if 30s aren't available for sale at the time, as the enhancement values in that range don't differ significantly.

With my level 30 policy, I can exemp down as low as 27 and not lose any bonuses. Remember, the bonuses remain active even if the power the set is in is not available as long as you are not more than 3 levels below the set's level.

Also, and I may be reading Mids data wrong, but I have noticed that on a lot of powers, when they get their level 30 sets, a lot of the numbers frequently show yellow or red. I am guessing that when they show yellow, you are getting close to some sort of enhancement value cap, and at red you are over and some of that enhancement is being wasted? If this is what I am seeing, then it really makes higher level versions of the same sets rather pointless unless the power is being frankenslotted instead.

My big level 30 exception is for single piece global bonuses (Kismet +ACC, Karma and Steadfast: KB Protection, LotG: Global Recharge, Winter's Gift: Slow Resist, etc). Those I go as low as possible since they work the same at all levels but you still lose the bonus exemped down more than 3 levels beneath the enhancer's level.


 

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Is there a way to identify purple IOs by looking at them, or should I consult a list?
They're purple? They're listed as very rare. They're only level 50. Here's a list.


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Ouro has a level 25 requirement so no one under 25 can do flashbacks, right? Can I still get older mishes as a level 50?
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As for Ouroboros, yes the requirement is being lowered. Additionally, if we're talking about helping lower leveled friends, you can always just get in a group with them and do their missions while guiding them to the contacts you'd like to experience.
Another little "trick" you can use to run flashbacks with lower level players. Start a SG, make small base, and drop a Pillar of Ice and Flame in there. Then when you are teamed with Lowbies, you can start the flashback arc inside your base (they will all need to be in the base with you), and they won't need Ouroboros access at all. This has an added benefit in that everyone on the team (including you) will get the reward merits and everyone will be earning XP.

There is one rule to starting an Ouroboros arc with lowbies. Everyone must be at LEAST the minimum level for the arc. For example, if an arc is designed for players level 12-20, and you have a level 9 in your team, you can't run that arc. It does NOT matter, however, how high the members of your team are.

Hope this helps.


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