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Same although I'm leveling a Dark/shield so I'll have to talk myself into rolling another /shield when the first one will be rather good.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
I'm going for a War Mace/Shield Defense Scrapper.
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I have a BS/SD and thought I'd compare unenhanced numbers:
Code:Holy smokes. Clobber is going to be insane on my WM/SD Scrapper. Looks like the Single Target attack chain to go for will be using Pulverize, Jawbreaker, and Clobber.Bash Damage Per Activation Time: 47.04 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 11.74 Pulverize Damage Per Activation Time: 68.40 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 10.80 Jawbreaker Damage Per Activation Time: 67.01 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 10.37 Clobber Damage Per Activation Time: 148.52 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 10.60 Whirling Mace Damage Per Activation Time: 26.24 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 4.20 Shatter Damage Per Activation Time: 61.22 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 9.95 Crowd Control Damage Per Activation Time: 50.36 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 7.19 --- Hack Damage Per Activation Time: 77.14 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 11.00 Slash Damage Per Activation Time: 47.04 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 11.74 Slice Damage Per Activation Time: 38.48 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 7.70 Parry Damage Per Activation Time: 39.51 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 12.14 Whirling Sword Damage Per Activation Time: 30.46 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 4.88 Disembowel Damage Per Activation Time: 68.12 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 10.39 Head Splitter Damage Per Activation Time: 80.28 Damage Per Cast Cycle: 11.45
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With Clobber having such high DPA, why the hell was Greater Fire Sword reduced in Damage when Fiery Melee was Proliferated over to Scrappers? Grr. 
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You know what, while we're at it: Anyone going to make a Battle Axe/* Scrapper? I've got an idea for a BA/FA character, but that's about it.
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Watching CC crit on a wall of targets will be quite satisfying, I'm betting.
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When considering what to pair WM with, you have to consider ALL of what's being proliferated. How can you possibly justify pairing the STRONG primary with anything other than the PRETTY secondary?
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I love my WM/SD brute. 2 extreme damage attacks, 2.5 AoE attacks (3.5 if you count shield charge), a crap ton of single target mitigation (if I chain bash-shatter-clobber-jawbreaker the boss basically never gets off any attacks). Playing the toon on x8 missions felt like I was playing Dynasty Warriors.
The only down point I felt with WM was that there are no Talsorian/Cimeroan mace options.
I'm definitely making a BA/SD scrapper. Since that set has a knockdown on ALL its attacks the mitigation must be unbelievable.
I'll roll a WM/EA at some point, because I want to be STRONG and PRETTY, too.
I have a WM/SD brute at 22. I may just reroll as a scrapper when i21 goes live.
Clobber's DPA is insanely high on Scrapper.
I want it on Stalker so bad.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
War Mace / Fiery Aura ?
I have a brute version of WM/FA I stared, but I think is on indefinite leave now that I might can make one as a scrapper. SS with massive recharge is #1 for AoE, but I'm thinking WM/FA with moderate recharge may well end up #2 for AoE and also may have more ST damage than SS. The real question is then, where do I get the endurance to run the thing at full tilt. I'll be sucking wind every 60 seconds if my consume misses I'm up a creek, and I want to be able to run with Spiritual Core Paragon Alpha and Rebirth +Regeneration.
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This set is good. It has crushingly powerful Single Target damage and just as awesome AoE attacks. My WM/SD is bumped up to Level 50 and it's just awesome!
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Clobber's DPA is insanely high on Scrapper.
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Anyone know if it's Clobber or Shatter getting the tier 9 crit mod(15%) treatment?
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Neither of them is tier 9 so I don't think so. Mace's raw damage seems to be a lot higher than Broadsword? Maybe it doesn't need that special treatment.|
Originally Posted by Auroxis
Anyone know if it's Clobber or Shatter getting the tier 9 crit mod(15%) treatment?
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I have to say...I am a tiny bit surprised that they didn't modify Clobber. :P I hope they don't because if they ever port it to Stalker, I want the same Clobber!
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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That chain will be rather tough. Clobber would need 333% recharge to maintain it, though I believe it is the best chain that is attainable without recharge cap.| Looks like the Single Target attack chain to go for will be using Pulverize, Jawbreaker, and Clobber. |
Jawbreaker, Clobber, and Shatter is the next best I think. 257% and 250% for Clobber and Shatter.
That first chain should put it easily with FM, if not better. Can't wait to see the set in action.
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Would you say that WM is definitely better on scrappers than brutes, from what you've seen? Even if you haven't played it on brutes, I assume you have a pretty good understanding of what it's like.
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Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
This set is good. It has crushingly powerful Single Target damage and just as awesome AoE attacks. My WM/SD is bumped up to Level 50 and it's just awesome!
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They gave DB and Claws a 15% crit to their tier 8, but their tier 8 also happens to be their most damaging attack. Shatter is a tier 8, and Clobber does the most damage, so it'd be nice to know.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Neither of them is tier 9 so I don't think so. Mace's raw damage seems to be a lot higher than Broadsword? Maybe it doesn't need that special treatment.
I have to say...I am a tiny bit surprised that they didn't modify Clobber. :P I hope they don't because if they ever port it to Stalker, I want the same Clobber! |
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This was the highest chain I was coming up with on a tank. Clobber and Shatter gets the purples with the -res on Shatter.|
Originally Posted by Shadowsylph
Jawbreaker, Clobber, and Shatter is the next best I think. 257% and 250% for Clobber and Shatter.
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Edit: Hmmm but that's when Jawbreaker have a higher DPA than Pulverize
Edit2: Are those numbers counting in Arcanatime?
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Yes, I factored in Arcanatime. It looks like after that, both Jawbreaker and Pulverize contribute nearly identical amounts in terms of DPS to the chain. I used Jawbreaker because the slightly longer animation allows for about 30% less recharge for Shatter and Clobber.
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Edit: Hmmm but that's when Jawbreaker have a higher DPA than Pulverize Edit2: Are those numbers counting in Arcanatime? |
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ohhh I was refering to the numbers bAss have on the 3rd post where Pulverize have better DPA. When I was messing with my tank on this, Jawbreaker had better DPA. Course that was a Tank and the numbers might have changed on Scraps.
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Originally Posted by Shadowsylph
Yes, I factored in Arcanatime. It looks like after that, both Jawbreaker and Pulverize contribute nearly identical amounts in terms of DPS to the chain. I used Jawbreaker because the slightly longer animation allows for about 30% less recharge for Shatter and Clobber.
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Oh, my bad.
I took a look, though, and Pulverize has slightly higher DPA in game for both Tanks and Scrappers. *shrug*
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I don't think slightly higher is good enough, as activation time is also pretty important when procs are considered(especially purples and pvp -res). Then again, the slots spent on getting the extra recharge could probably be spent on getting more damage instead.
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Originally Posted by Shadowsylph
Oh, my bad.
I took a look, though, and Pulverize has slightly higher DPA in game for both Tanks and Scrappers. *shrug* |
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I think the in-game DPA does not factor in Arcanatime.
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Originally Posted by Shadowsylph
Oh, my bad.
I took a look, though, and Pulverize has slightly higher DPA in game for both Tanks and Scrappers. *shrug* |
War Mace. On Scrappers. Which of you Scrappers have tried the set on the Beta server? What did you think?
If you haven't tried it yet, are you planning on making a War Mace/* Scrapper?
I'm going for a War Mace/Shield Defense Scrapper. It's a fun combination that I played before all of the characters on Beta were deleted.
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