Not Exactly a Powerset Respec
By
Chad Gulzow-Man,
Posted on: 2011-08-11 16:10 in Suggestions and Ideas
won't happen. They've said so. More than once.
While they love to do things we ask for, there have to be good reasons for it, and no overpoweringly bad ones.
What you're asking for has no good reasons to allow it and massive technical hurdles to imlement.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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This was just asked for on the 8/4/2011 Ustream and Positron said they are not developing power-set respecs because it requires too much work, and changing archetypes just isn't possible.
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Originally Posted by Wavicle
I would like to see in the Paragon Market in i21 or later and item that allows one character to do the following:
*Change your Primary and Secondary powerset (one or both), but not change your Archetype *Change your Origin (if so desired) *Revert to Level 1 *Retain Name, Supergroup, All Badges, Prestige, Inventory Slots, Items, etc. Such an item would allow for the much asked for Powerset respec for toons that were originally made before the release of more recent powersets without allowing people to skip the lower levels on those powersets. |
I'd settle for "Pay $X to transfer all your badges to another character." 
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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From the mentioned Q&A:
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So it's not that they can't or won't do it. It's just not on the schedule at the moment. Asking for these things and bringing it up with threads like these will certainly do a lot for putting it on the schedule where there's time.| Posi: "They are not on the schedule. They are a lot, A LOT of work. Some people in the office were asking about them. AT respecs seem impossible, and powerset respecs are easier, but still very very hard. I don't know what we'd have to price them at to make them worth the effort." |
It's worthwhile and great for those who have main badge characters or a specific character they want to reroll without losing some of what they've accomplished. It's just a lot of work to impliment, and whether it prove worth the time and effort is still in question.
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No. Posi also said this about power-set respecs in an ingame Q&A.|
Originally Posted by Paladin
From the mentioned Q&A:
So it's not that they can't or won't do it. It's just not on the schedule at the moment. |
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| Positron - it's more that a complete overhaul invalidates a ton of work we've put into making the game alt-friendly. |
Calling this "Not exactly a powerset respec" is like calling water "not exactly wet." Not only is it a suggestion shot down by the devs, but the OP's dishonest about what it is.
Poor show.
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No. You're twisting both the intent and outcome of what he's saying. They know we want it, and they are still saying that. They're not even saying we will look into putting it on the schedule, which is what they do when it is in the realm of possibility.|
Originally Posted by Paladin
So it's not that they can't or won't do it. It's just not on the schedule at the moment. Asking for these things and bringing it up with threads like these will certainly do a lot for putting it on the schedule where there's time.
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As the other quote says, this is an alt friendly game, and even a paid for feature that depresses the need to make alts is antithetical to their main goal, which is to keep people paying and playing. When Posi says he doesn't know what they'd charge to make it worth it, he's thinking of all those hours and time people invest into a new alt when something new comes along.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
Uhm. How is this NOT a powerset respec request? 
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Because he used the words "Not Exactly" in the title.
I think the only intent the author wishes is to be able to keep badges, earned SG Prestige records, and other perks without having to re-earn them. Although I understand the sentiment, it removes a major reason to play through the game again with another character - earning badges and other perks (and the time sync involved therein).
I'm going to be stuck in a similar quagmire when Titan Weapons comes out, since it fits Obsidius' basic premise I established years ago when he was an RP character. Still, there have to be hooks to play a character from lvl 1-50+, storylines, XP, Inf, and missions aside.
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The only problem with badges is that there are a few that can't be re-earned. Those badges should be made account wide. Prestige means nothing and can easily be reacquired by simply doing an inf conversion.
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Originally Posted by Obsidius
I think the only intent the author wishes is to be able to keep badges, earned SG Prestige records, and other perks without having to re-earn them. Although I understand the sentiment, it removes a major reason to play through the game again with another character - earning badges and other perks (and the time sync involved therein).
I'm going to be stuck in a similar quagmire when Titan Weapons comes out, since it fits Obsidius' basic premise I established years ago when he was an RP character. Still, there have to be hooks to play a character from lvl 1-50+, storylines, XP, Inf, and missions aside. |
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I appreciate the quote, Forbin, but do you recall the question that was posed to Positron? I'd like the context, if only because there's a hundred different concepts of "Powerset Respecs" floating around; keeping your levels while swapping ATs/Powersets would certainly harm the alt-friendly gameplay and would earn Positron's response. Essentially rerolling a character to level 1 with the same name and badges, but new and more appropriate powersets, not as much.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No. Posi also said this about power-set respecs in an ingame Q&A.
"Positron - it's more that a complete overhaul invalidates a ton of work we've put into making the game alt-friendly." So while we may not like it, the devs haven't given us any reason to believe they've changed their minds. They want the game to be alt friendly and power-set respecs not only are too much work to bother doing, they also invalidate all the effort that has gone into making this game alt friendly. |
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Calling this "Not exactly a powerset respec" is like calling water "not exactly wet." Not only is it a suggestion shot down by the devs, but the OP's dishonest about what it is.
Poor show. |
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
No. You're twisting both the intent and outcome of what he's saying. They know we want it, and they are still saying that. They're not even saying we will look into putting it on the schedule, which is what they do when it is in the realm of possibility.
As the other quote says, this is an alt friendly game, and even a paid for feature that depresses the need to make alts is antithetical to their main goal, which is to keep people paying and playing. When Posi says he doesn't know what they'd charge to make it worth it, he's thinking of all those hours and time people invest into a new alt when something new comes along. |
Whether rerolling characters to level 1 with badges intact would depress the desire for alts is speculation, and pointlessly nit-picking. Rerolling a character versus rolling an alt are essentially the same thing, barring the obvious badge retention and name preservation, which is the point of most Powerset Respec suggestions in the first place. The only other place where it might make a difference is in the purchasing of additional slots for a specific server: those who reroll may have less need for purchasing slots for alts, but would be providing an infusion of funds each time they do reroll.
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Yes he did. He said it's not on the schedule, and another time he said it invalidated all the work they've put into making the game alt friendly. That means no. If he meant yes he would have said something along the lines of, "It's something we'd like to work on in the future." or "It's not a priority at this time", or "It's on the back burner".|
Originally Posted by Paladin
No. Positron said what he said; that it's not on the schedule, and that AT respecs are impossible. He also stated that Powerset respecs were possible, and a lot of hard work which may or may not be worth the effort. He did not say "No. Never."
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But you can believe whatever you want, it still won't make it true.
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| That's being entirely too hostile on the OP |
No dev ever says no never. This however is the closest I've ever seen this dev come to saying so, so twisting it to "we just have to bug them more so they put it on the schedule" is a willful distortion.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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I blame the parents. Too many of them have raised their kids to think that when they say "no." it really means they'll say yes if they keep bugging them about it.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
No dev ever says no never. This however is the closest I've ever seen this dev come to saying so, so twisting it to "we just have to bug them more so they put it on the schedule" is a willful distortion.
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And saying "This is not a powerset respec" when turning it into exactly that is flat out dishonest. There's no snark there at all. As I've said elsewhere, I'm very blunt when I say things. If I feel it needs more explanation later, I'll add it or edit the post - but in this case, it doesn't. There's no hostility, snark, sarcasm, elitism, non-dairy toppings or anything else involved.|
Originally Posted by Paladin
That's being entirely too hostile on the OP. Normal respecs return you to your full level after completion, but the OP's suggestion does not; that'd be the difference implied in the title, I expect. But even if he had been wrong, lashing out at the OP as being dishonest rather than ignorant, then close with "Poor Show" is a poor reflection of the CoH community. You can be critical without the snark; the forum has enough snark as it is. |
It's like saying "This isn't really shaving off all your hair," then proceeding to buzz it all off, take lotion and a razor, and then pointing out your eyebrows are still somewhat there. If I wanted to be *kind,* I'd call it "lawyering" the description. Being blunt, I call it dishonest. The fact it leaves you at level 1 doesn't make it any less of a powerset respec.
Quite honestly, I don't think the OP was "ignorant" of what they were posting in the slightest. Just from how they worded the title.
I'd say I'm sorry you don't like that, but... well, again, to be blunt, I'm not. But you know right where I stand and what I think of it, pretty unambiguously, wouldn't you say?
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I'm in a similar situation. As the game evolves, so do many of my characters. And besides that, while the ATs aren't exactly limiting, it won't fully allow me to realize my character's potential.|
Originally Posted by Obsidius
I think the only intent the author wishes is to be able to keep badges, earned SG Prestige records, and other perks without having to re-earn them. Although I understand the sentiment, it removes a major reason to play through the game again with another character - earning badges and other perks (and the time sync involved therein).
I'm going to be stuck in a similar quagmire when Titan Weapons comes out, since it fits Obsidius' basic premise I established years ago when he was an RP character. Still, there have to be hooks to play a character from lvl 1-50+, storylines, XP, Inf, and missions aside. |
For example, the devs introduce staff melee and you jump to make an alt or you have a current character who is a martial artist and staff is within their abilities. So what can you do but make another alt with a different name and pretend it's the same person (not like I don't do that already).
My suggestion in another thread (Linked Alts) no one really commented on so I can only guess it was looked over as just another powerset respec inquiry. I don't see why though. Linked alts wouldn't discourage making alts, but encourage to expand on a character's abilities without overpowering the game or even respecing out a character at all. Heck, it might even save a few choices on the name market if you can link 1 name to multiple alts. Just need tech for that so you can 'log out' from one build and into another. Separate contacts, powers, AT, levels, xp and even position in the game world but link name, badges, inf, costume slots and inventory.
I have no issue with this. I especially have no issue with people wanting it. <shrug>
I would like to see in the Paragon Market in i21 or later and item that allows one character to do the following:
*Change your Primary and Secondary powerset (one or both), but not change your Archetype
*Change your Origin (if so desired)
*Revert to Level 1
*Retain Name, Supergroup, All Badges, Prestige, Inventory Slots, Items, etc.
Such an item would allow for the much asked for Powerset respec for toons that were originally made before the release of more recent powersets without allowing people to skip the lower levels on those powersets.
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