Dual Builds: Pros and Cons?


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So just rejoined after leaving the game just as issue 13 was coming out, so I haven't experienced dual builds.

I was trying to understand the pros and cons

pros:
- frees up using a another character slot if you wanted to play different flavor of a build
- great for epic archetypes (such as triform/human only PB)
- uses less slots per SG
- lets your friends find you by name rather than lean two character names
- faster than switching characters

cons:
- character gets only one respec per new issue (do you get to run the respec trial for your second build?)


Am I missing something (other than the it's be grat if you could share enhancements between your two builds, that would make it truly worth it)


 

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Some you sorta covered but getting a bit more specific

Pros:
* Team build, Solo Build, PvP build
* One build for high level, a different build for exemping
* Poor man's "respec"

Cons
* Each build requires completely separate set of enhancements
* Each build requires completely separate respec


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Really nothing more to it than providing a means of having an alternative build that you can switch to. For example, perhaps your usual build works good in a team, but you want to use an alternative "solo" build at times.

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that's a going rogue feature right?


 

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that's a going rogue feature right?
What, the Alpha slot? If that's what you're referring to, yes, all Incarnate-related content is accessible only for those who own GR (which will be all VIPs when I21 drops).


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the paragon wiki explains how it works, I was more tyring to figure out if it's "worth it"

can you run the respec trial on the 2nd build?


 

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Originally Posted by Papaschtroumpf View Post
the paragon wiki explains how it works, I was more tyring to figure out if it's "worth it"

can you run the respec trial on the 2nd build?
Doesnt matter what build you are using when you run the trial, it just matters what build you are using when you engage the respec


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I level up build 1 with SOs and then IO out build 2. This frees me up having to use a respec although I have numerous respec tokens via vet rewards. If I'm doing end game content, I can use build 2. If I am doing lower level stuff, I can simply use build 1 if I feel it is needed.


 

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Originally Posted by Papaschtroumpf View Post
the paragon wiki explains how it works, I was more tyring to figure out if it's "worth it"

can you run the respec trial on the 2nd build?
The going rogue complete collection is with it in my opinion (slots, powersets, month of play).

You only get the total of three respecs earned from the respec trials, regardless of build. Respecs always respec the active build. Choosing to swap to the currently active build will let you name it.


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I have a high level build with level 45+ IOs that squeeze out as much set bonuses as possible. This is the expensive build.

Then I have a low level build that 5- and 6-slots all the power selections up to level 32. I cheaply frankenslot this build by not worrying about set bonuses, but by over slotting so as not to be hit by the huge enhancement debuff that comes from exemplaring down. Then for all the 33+ powers, I choose the utility one-slot wonders (Teleport, Vengeance, etc...). This lowbie build is still surprisingly effective at level 50 which allows me to switch builds in the middle of a TF if I need a specialty power or to recharge a long recharge power and still be pretty effective.


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My personal feeling is that actively using (as opposed to simply a roundabout respec) multiple builds is only worth it in certain niche situations, such as building specifically for pvp/pve, team/solo, 50/exemp etc. In most cases a second build requires just as heavy an investment as the first; otherwise you generally end up with something no better suited to the task for which you are building than you already have. For example, suppose I dump a ton of inf into a cold/ice defender's first build, but then decide to make a second build for soloing. I drop the ally-targetted powers for a couple of other powers, but only use SOs to save inf. In the end that second build may not be any better at soloing anyway, since I've lost all the benefits of my IO build.

In general I would have to be able to answer "yes" to all the following questions to invest in a second build:

  • Will this character see a lot of play?
  • Will this character split substantial time between activities for which one build is very poorly suited?
  • Is the expense of time and effort justified compared to what else I could do with it?

Obviously these questions are subjective, but for me it's rarely worthwhile. I understand why other people really wanted this feature though.


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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson View Post
What, the Alpha slot? If that's what you're referring to, yes, all Incarnate-related content is accessible only for those who own GR (which will be all VIPs when I21 drops).
All VIPs will indeed automatically have access to GR and Incarnate content.

Premium folk can purchase access to GR content (if they don't already have it right now), but they can not purchase Incarnate content... that is VIP only. Which means the 3rd build is VIP only (unless extra builds are purposely put on the market).


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ok thanks. I completely misunderstood something about multiple builds: I thought you needed to *play* through to 50 again.
I tried it on my Peacebringer (to make a human only build) and realize it *is* like a respec, without saving the enhancements


 

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Originally Posted by Papaschtroumpf View Post
ok thanks. I completely misunderstood something about multiple builds: I thought you needed to *play* through to 50 again.
I tried it on my Peacebringer (to make a human only build) and realize it *is* like a respec, without saving the enhancements
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Experience is the same from one build to another
It is actually explained on the wiki, but I can understand glazing over that part (more articles on the wiki need more pictures/graphs for visual-learning people). Experience is...basically "copied over" from one build to the other(s).


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cons:
- character gets only one respec per new issue (do you get to run the respec trial for your second build?)
Typically they only give respecs if there are changes to powers that would cause a desire to change powers. Its frequent but not guaranteed for each issue.

Also, since multiple builds have come out, they've typically been pretty good about giving multiple freespecs to account for multiple builds. The catch is that they don't stack so you can only have one freespec at a time, so what they'll do is they'll put on one with the issue, wait a week, so everyone has a chance to use the freespec, then put out a second (and so on for a third). I can't remember if its been an every time thing, but I know they have done this a couple times.