Unlimited Respecs in Starter Zone

Wow do you really think new players are so stupid they can't remember the build, or write down the powers/slots they chose for a level 6 character? Cuz your shock and outrage over my post makes it seem that you think new players are gibbering idiots.

All people have said is that they don't see a need for this and suggested existing alternatives. There's been no fighting tooth and nail. and the only overreacting done hasn't been by the people that have disagreed with you.

Agreed. Plus at that level the powers you chose don't really make much of a difference.

I'm sorry but six posts later from you and I'm still not exactly sure what it is you disagree with. That a developer might spend time on this instead of something that needs it more? It's just a weird amount of attention to pay to a threadbare topic. I don't care to defend the topic very vigorously because it just isn't that important. But also IMO not really worth a debate about player intelligence and guilt trips for not using existing resources.

Your suggestion to use the test server on a level 6 newbie, BTW, is bizarre. Much more so than anything in my OP. Rerolling or using an alt build would be more realistic.

I gave you a crystal clear response in my first post. If you want to delude yourself into believing it was unclear that's your prerogative.

I never said anything about the devs having more important things to work on. You must be confusing my posts with someone else's.

I'm sorry Oedipus but you don't get to decide when a person's had enough to say on a subject. If we choose to have ongoing discussions then that is what we will do.

The fallacy of that statement is quite obvious. If it were true you wouldn't keep coming back to respond and pretend that there is some sort of heated argument when people are merely discussing alternatives.

No it isn't.

First because players don't unlock their second build until level 10 and your suggestion specifically addresses characters under level 6.

Secondly the whole point of your suggestion is that rerolling a level 6 character is too much trouble.

Third the person I was responding to wanted:

If players don't want to reroll/create alts and use the new tutorial to check out how their level appropriate powers work, the logical alternative that already exists in the game is using the Test Server.

The whole purpose of the devs letting us use the test server between issues is to give us a place for players to go and check out new powers before doing a respec so they can decide if they like the changes before committing and burning a respec on the live servers.

Sorry I missed this before.

I'm not sure what game you've been playing where it takes an hour or two to get a character to level 6. It definitely isn't CoH.

In all honesty? Yes. If you take someone who doesn't have much experience playing PC games, let alone in an MMO, it will take them quite a while to make progress, since they are learning quite a bit all at once, including how to control their character.

If you don't believe this, then go find someone that only plays console games and sit them down at the char creator and observe them (you cannot talk to them at all or answer any questions). Try it again with someone who has only really played social app games or 'casual' games (I use the term loosely so as to not offend anyone. ). Even an experienced gamer that is new to CoH could benefit from this.

I see no reason to deny a character under level 6 the ability to respec their character. Is this something that I think is needed ASAP, not really, but it would be nice to see something like this added shortly after Freedom goes live, if the Devs can fit it in.

Other than the simple fact that you can't screw up a build at level 6.

We're still waiting for someone to post a build that makes a level 6 character unplayable and in need of a respec.

Prove us wrong.

Show me a player who has one hour in game that knows that they can go to the tailor to save their costume, let alone know that a tailor even exists or where to find one.

As an alternative, a Trainer could point the player in the direction of the nearest tailor and then the tailor could explain that they can save costumes (something that isn't really that intuitive, especially for a new player). Another option would be to add a tailor to the starting zones.

... well... I max slotted brawl... and put a slot in Rest....

Still leaves you with Brawl, at least one attack from your primary or secondary, and the origin temp power by default. Three attacks minimum. Unless you're chasing down red or purple enemies, you can still progress - and really, at level 6, progress not much more slowly than everyone ELSE.

Then you hit level 10 and can use build #2 to fix things if you want.

(Side note to forbin - no, the test server does *not* show up by default on the NCSoft launcher. If you have it installed, yes, it does - but I have a machine without it installed, installed the launcher - no mention whatsoever of test even existing.)

See my Guides and Tutorials

Yeah the devs should at least put Save and Load buttons over the avatar of the character in the costume creator, and then a second screen should appear when they click the save button that states in large letters SAVE YOUR COSTUME.

Oh wait they do have that.

Or they could just read the manual before playing.

http://static.plaync.com/media/cox/pdf/CoH_Manual.pdf

Icon tailors are listed on page 17


Edit: But what the tailor has to do with wanting unlimited respecs under level 6 I have no idea.

"Just reroll" is what it has to do with it. (Which I agree with - at that level, a reroll's not a big loss.)

See my Guides and Tutorials

As I said, the Save/Load under the costume creator isn't something that really stands out, especially for a new player, because no other MMO (that I am aware of) has a feature like that. I'm not even sure that the Tailor covers this when you talk to them.

Why do I bring this up? Because you said it would be easier for someone to just recreate their character and load up their costume. If a new player missed out on saving their costume, how do you suppose they reload it? If there was a tailor in the starting zones, it would make your proposition a little easier than trekking a L4 character through Steel Canyon, assuming one knew that there was a tailor in Steel Canyon.

I can honestly say, I have have read one manual for a video game, ever, and that was Master of Magic, and even that was only to cover certain aspects of the game. Also, my manual doesn't look anything like that manual, and I'm sure the Freedom manual will look even different.

Fine. I concede. All new players must be experienced gamers, who just know exactly what they are doing. Adding some QoL like this just isn't needed and is, obviously, uncalled for. Oh, wait, according to Bill below me, this QoL is actually being added to the game.

Oh, also:

From here. ("Confirmed list of I21 changes." Thought I'd heard that somewhere.)

See my Guides and Tutorials

So in other words no need now for unlimited respecs in starter zones.

/thread.

Which is what we've been saying all along.

Yes, thankfully you were here to provide a 2000 [EDIT: probably closer to 4000 now] word essay across 8 posts. Without you, this might have been implemented overnight when no one was looking and my god, what a disaster THAT would be. :P

Only if there is cosplay involved and he(?) pays.

Lol

Really Really, how many Mistake can a lowbie make in the starting Zone not much, over time, yes past the lvl range of the starting zone, yes you can make mistakes.
Yeah I am lvl 4, I only got 3 Attack going to respec now. Don't forget you got another build available if your go to the trainer at lvl 10 and switch build, you be able to repick your powers.

Also ask people before picking your powers, hey guys is Shadow Maul a good power to have, Don't forget you got the help Channel as well to ask these Question.

Veteran Award respec does help too and you can always do the Respec trials too.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.