Leadership Question

Keys to using Leadership:

Different archetypes get different bonuses from the powers. Defenders get the most out of them.

They are endurance hogs - slotting two end cost is good for regular builds while leveling before anything else.

They are end hogs compared to other toggles - but end reduction is extremely inefficient in most toggle powers, its not worth wasting the extra slots just to get more after the base slot. You are FAR better off putting any extra slots you may have in an attack or other power and using that for end reduction in some way.

Assault doesn't need anything more than the base slot with an end red. Tactics and maneuvers can use extra slots for to hit buf/def buff respectively or can be frankenslotted very effectively to boost both end reduction and to hit/def. They also take some decent IO's if you are looking for set bonuses.

Tactics can take adjusted targetting for acc and recharge bonuses or Gaussian's for 2.5% def to all positions, although that takes 6 slots. Manuevers can take red fortune for recharge(5%) and ranged def or can be used for an LoTG +recharge. It can also take a karma -KB IO if you don't have anywhere else to put them.

If you want to go all the way with leadership, Vengeance is also a nice LoTG +recharge mule.

However, while leveling enhancement slots tend to be very valuable - you almost never have enough until the high 30's/low 40's (and sometimes not even then:-). So unless you are pushing for a def cap using maneuvers or are on a defender, who gets so much its almost worth slotting extra, sticking with the base slot in all leadership toggles is probably best for a while.

I always put two end cost minimum in Leadership toggles AND put end cost in attacks.

I've never put more than one end reduc into a Leadership toggle and that includes pre-i19 Staminaless builds. If you are slotting 2 end reduc in those toggles, you should be at least putting 2 end reducs into attacks and that's just overkill. I do, however, put an end reduc into them. Even if toggles are "cheaper" to run versus attacks, I'm not always attacking. I am most likely always having the toggles on so cutting the cost between battles helps end recovery during that time.

Indeed. Masterminds would get far too much out of Leadership pools if they were Defender levels considering that they have a huge force multiplier. But then, the same could almost be said of Arachos Soldiers and Defenders (who have the skills already to be a force multiplier for teams).

But from a fluff stand point, they should be the best at providing Leadership, unless, these Masterminds are the ones who don't care about their troops... Oh, wait, their Villains, (at least starting out, for now), why should they care what happens to their fodder.

Heh, maybe they need to set up a "Leadership" Powerset for Defenders, Controllers, Corruptors, and Masterminds, too.

Masterminds give a tohit and damage bonus to all nearby henchmen. So they do care - to some degree.

Edit: It probably has to do with the notion that MMs were supposed to be the redside equivalent of Tankers.

Originally Posted by Shubbie Im very good at taking a problem and making it worse.

Because there is no Damage Buff Enhancement (or Damage DeBuff Enhancement, for that matter). If you notice, all the other +DMG powers cannot slot Damage Enhancements, either. Even if you could, it wouldn't do anything because these powers don't do damage themselves.

It would be nice to consolidate a lot of the Enhancements to where a Defense Enhancement will increase the Defense a power provides AND/OR increase the affect of a Defense DeBuff power, Damage Enhancements can be used on Assault and other +DMG powers, etc. But that's a ways in coming.

A strait Leadership style powerset would be awesome. Might be hard to get 9 powers out of the concept, but I'd it if they did.

I'd love to have 'Envelope' or 'Outflank' perhaps as power names. 'Regroup' as a T9 'Oh shiz' button also sounds like a fun one.

A while back there was a thread about this in the suggestions forum. My suggestion for a T9 power was "Lightning Assault" as basically a reverse-wormhole. Activating it would teleport you and any nearby teammates to the chosen destination while giving any allies near you a damage buff and applying a stun & knockdown to enemies near the destination. Thematically it's like Shield Charge, you aren't actually teleporting, instead your entire team is charging forwards and attacking before your foes can react (represented by the stun/knockdown).

I like it. You're right. It is a lot like Shield Charge with a touch of Team Teleport. Therefore, regroup should stay the T9, and Lightning Assault makes the T8. Or I'm pretty sure I recall Shield Charge being a T8.

Either way, whichever works. Sounds like a fun power. Some people would probably complain about being teleported, but Null the Gull could always take care of that.

You wouldn't even need to do that, "Accept teleport" is already a toggle under the regular Options menu. A hypothetical "Regroup" power would likely be affected by that setting already.

If I recall correctly***.... all damage buffs have to be flagged as [Ignores Enhancements and Buffs] because with the way the game engine is built Damage Buffs would buff Damage Buffs, making it an infinite loop of a power self buffing itself until just running assault would put you permanently at the damage cap. Thus there is no way to increase them.




***And I really could be crazy here, but I swear I remember reading this before.

@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too

That is indeed the situation.

Not necessarily. Team Teleport ignores that check, hence the need for Null to offer the ability to turn it off.

Not quite. It's close. Their Secondary Set is a hybrid Leadership and other defensive sets.

What I was proposing was a 9 Power Set specifically set up for group buffs that work akin to Leadership. We already see some of these affects in classic sets like Force Field, but a full set, that's something completely different.

I would hope that you are correct, but I know better than to assume sometimes in this game.

I would also have hoped (and assumed) that the glitch from I5 I think it was that caused teammates in a mish to be shown in an arena, or in a super group base instead, and vice-versa to have been fixed by now, but it hasn't, last I checked.

Sadly, you're most likely right. I wish it weren't so, but....

In this, I am in agreement also.

That wouldn't be nice. That would mean the base values were lower and I would need to waste more slots on the power.