For all the faults I have personally found with the contest this year, I do not think it being a popularity contest was in the top 80%.
I think if anything this year has shown that humor, fun and light heartedness can really be rewarded even if the piece lacks technical precision or even real talent.
I think this year has also shown that people can come out of the blue and really make an impact on the results.
I ALSO think there were just 4 people left before this latest departure... And that it was easily anyone's title to capture. I don't believe winning a previous month gives anyone an advantage on winning the last month, and really winning the last month is all that matters. (ok, getting there matters to but... Well hell, you can't get there is you kick yourself out. *shrug*)
Anyway, whatever.... Sorry to see you exit BW, I think you were definitely amongst the most consistantly solid entries each and every month. I think you would have had a better than even chance of winning if you had stayed in but one must do what they must, I guess.
Congrats, Miss DeeDee! (*pounce huggles Miss DeeDee and Sapphy, then they tumble around the artroom for awhile!*)
I am sorry to see Battlewraith leave. It always diminishes us and the contest when people leave (especially if they feel that they have been shunned due to vote stacking).
I hope that Battlewraith (and others) will reconsider their decisions and that they will return when cooler heads prevail.
Until then ...
Clear skies to you! 
AMERIKATT: Star of Stage, Screen, and Saturday morning cartoons! (Art by Psygon and ChristopherRobin)
"(Katt-Girl) obviously reads a lot of encyclopedias" -- Kiken
Dark_Respite's video -- Avatar: COH Style!
I Support Nerd Flirting and Even More Nerd Flirting!
There is more than one way for popularity to influence people. If DD's entry was centered around someone like, say, Turbo-Ski who people here don't know anymore, I think we'd have seen a very different result.
I actually thought that DD did a fantastic job this month. I had her in first based entirely on the art, but this month was NOT about just the art. It was about both submissions and she had the weakest trailer by far. BW had strong showings in both and that's why I ranked him first and DD third. If this was about the poster alone, DD would have easily taken my first spot. Reading comprehension was obviously not a strong suit for everyone however.
Really, it just comes down to this section of the boards being focused on very different things. It's pretty obvious that people didn't vote based on the criteria given, it's been established that bewbs = votes, and I dare say that the majority of people here don't know what makes for quality work. There's no reason to change, as people like what they like, but it's certainly not the place for anyone who's looking for artistic feedback or appreciation. Thusly, it's not worth putting that kind of effort into. Instead, I recommend any new artist to the boards to do more ego stroking fanservice, more breasts and more copied artwork.
http://www.virtueverse.net/wiki/Massacre_Melanie -the original Fire/Dark Corruptor -
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=115217
The Guide to BURN
Yeah! Anyone who doesn't agree with Suichiro is obviously an illiterate, boob obsessed moron who doesn't know a thing about art! And don't give any crap about differing tastes or opinions being valid, that's just proof you're a moron!!
Quote:
I am inclined to agree. Mainly to stay in character. I guess that's proof.|
Originally Posted by Caemgen
Yeah! Anyone who doesn't agree with Suichiro is obviously an illiterate, boob obsessed moron who doesn't know a thing about art! And don't give any crap about differing tastes or opinions being valid, that's just proof you're a moron!!
|
(Oh and I was truly looking at the trailers, just tried to be funny in an earlier post. No doubt this one will be misunderstood too, but it goes with the handle).
Arc: 379017: Outbroken See all your old friends in the Outbreak Tutorial sequel!
Arc: Coming Soon: The Incarnate Shadow Shard of Fire and Ice Mender Rednem needs you!
Massively.com opinion poll: Please Help Save CoH!
WOOOOHOOOO!!!! I won!! *cheers happily and bounces around with Neko and Amerikatt*
Now.. my share of the discussion (*sighs tiredly as she doesn't like discussions, but feels she should share her thoughs in this one anyway*)
Extra note on the Early Bird system; I think the Early Bird system is fun! And it's not because this month it helped me win (even just!). But it's just a little extra. I know many artists don't start their art untill half the month is done yet, because, basically the deadline is by far in sight at the beginning. I just start as soon as the new theme is known. I work just as hard and put just as much effort in my pieces as the others, I'm sure. It really has nothing to do with working faster or making less art. That's my experience with it, anyhow.
about BattleWraith's comment: I am sorry to read that you decided to "give up". I always found you very strong competitor and personally I didn't think I would win this month as I saw how many people favourited yours. It truly was a close call and imo an awesome battle.
And I'm not sure if you know.. but counting the points... you are at the top.
That's gotta count for something, right?
I hope you will reconsider. If not, keep making great art (as I know you will) and... well... see you around 
!
I've been at the bottom of the list all year so far and even though "I" thought I did an awesome job in other months (and thought I'd actually have a shot...which turned out to be very untrue) my art didn't appear to be good enough according to the voters.
Then comes the time to push yourself, I think. Push till you do get those points. Improve your art. Challenge yourself.
That's what I've been doing. And it payed off, though I think luck was on my side aswell.
I mean, a couple of competitors didn't manage to submit an entry or were late doing so.
CR couldn't manage a full poster due to arm-issues. But his written trailer was the best of all I think.
And let me say that the competition is strong!
So real-life and injuries made it so there were only 2,5 (CR being the half 
) competitors left. And they happend to be the overall winners of the year. (no pressure! 
)
Yeah, luck definitely was on my side this month.
I do hope people will have more time and less injuries for the next battle, though.
As for the "popularity" part of the contest... I definitely disagree there. But I think I explained that in my last post already explaining my thoughts on the nature of people's votes, so I won't go there again.
*goes to celebrate her victory and after that see what she can do about making her trailer CoH ingame-proof*
I sure am darn curious how that trailer will work out!
CoH Fan-Art Sale still several slots open!
Read my in-game stories and check out my DeviantART page.
- coXso - It was a memorable time filled with art!
Read my in-game stories and check out my DeviantART page.
- coXso - It was a memorable time filled with art!
Quote:
Hmmm...|
Originally Posted by Suichiro
There is more than one way for popularity to influence people. If DD's entry was centered around someone like, say, Turbo-Ski who people here don't know anymore, I think we'd have seen a very different result.
I actually thought that DD did a fantastic job this month. I had her in first based entirely on the art, but this month was NOT about just the art. It was about both submissions and she had the weakest trailer by far. BW had strong showings in both and that's why I ranked him first and DD third. If this was about the poster alone, DD would have easily taken my first spot. Reading comprehension was obviously not a strong suit for everyone however. Really, it just comes down to this section of the boards being focused on very different things. It's pretty obvious that people didn't vote based on the criteria given, it's been established that bewbs = votes, and I dare say that the majority of people here don't know what makes for quality work. There's no reason to change, as people like what they like, but it's certainly not the place for anyone who's looking for artistic feedback or appreciation. Thusly, it's not worth putting that kind of effort into. Instead, I recommend any new artist to the boards to do more ego stroking fanservice, more breasts and more copied artwork. |
Briefly,
BW has done bewb-centric entries (Feb 2010 for example) that didn't win.
I won a month this year (January's entry)... no ego stroking, no fanservice, no copied artwork and, you guessed it, no boobs.
It also was not a popular character because were it not for the two times I have drawn Brahn there would be no art of him at all.
I won a month last year too... same deal
(while it did contain a popular character she was not the central focus of the piece).
Plenty of examples of winning pieces containing no popular characters.
Also plenty of popular pieces that didn't win. etc. etc. etc.
While I haven't always been happy with the voting results (I think every artist could say that at some point)
my experiences in this contest over the last two years don't jibe with your assessment Suichiro.
Do the people voting like popular characters and boobs? Of course.
Is that the sum total of deciding who wins a given month? Not even close.
There is one thing I agree with you on (and there is some evidence to back it up) and that is
people don't always vote based on the criteria they are given (though I don't think it's for the reasons you state).
P.S. What if DD had done Turbo-ski in a bikini would we have gotten the same result?
If it were that cut and dry BW could win any month he chose (just have a bunch of popular
characters with tons of bewbs for his entry)... he's the one choosing his subject matter after all.
Quote:
In a way, I think this hits the nail on the head in terms of how I feel about this contest.| I think if anything this year has shown that humor, fun and light heartedness can really be rewarded even if the piece lacks technical precision or even real talent. |
I think the voting in general tends to be capricious. There is always an element of popularity contest going into it, but even worse is the tendency to vote for things out of...I don't know..novelty?
Because they're fun or lighthearted?
Often in spite of how the thing was actually executed. In some ways I think a polished execution has actually been a detriment to succeeding.
You said you voted purely on the art and didn't read the trailers.
Why? That was part of the competition. I lost by one point.
If you had read the trailers and voted on them as well maybe I woul'dve picked up a point or two.
Regardless, I spent a lot of time and thought on my trailer. I actually wrote the trailer first in the hopes that I could refer to it while I was working on the painting so that they would share the same sort of vibe.
I spent a day just writing the trailer. How would you feel if you were in a cooking competition and the judge came up and scraped some of your food into the garbage without even tasting it?
I'm not blaming you for the loss, but it's indicative of the frustration I've felt watching these entries fail.
Go back and look at February's winners. Lousy's entry was the overwhelming winner. That's a joke. Lousy is a good artist and I don't doubt that he could win a contest like this, but it shouldn't be for something like that.
I talked to him in Siren's Call shortly before that deadline. He hadn't started his entry and wasn't even sure he was going to continue. He threw that sketch together at the last minute to stay in the running.
But I think people looked at it and thought "Wow how cool would it be to have snow in the game!" and voted it the win.
Despite the fact that it was clearly a sketch and had virtually no detail in it whatsoever.
I think Dee Dee did a good job on her entry, but since it beat mine by the whole early bird mechanic I think it deserves comment.
First of all, it's a photomanipulation. You can see the figure ref here: http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpape...90719_0028.jpg
I don't know if Dee simply used it as ref or did some sort of paint-over directly on the source image.
The background looks "raw". Like the sky and the burnt-out buildings were directly taken from another source. I also used some stock reference in my picture, which is linked to the stock provider on my page, but everything is painted.
There is no direct manipulation of other people's images.
She was well within her rights to do so, as Bubba's rules allow for photomanipulation.
But my problem with the voting is that I don't think people are taking that into consideration.
I think a lot of people are viewing this image as if she had sat down and sketched it out herself.
And in terms of the whole early bird thing--yeah it's a lot easier to get work done quickly when you're dealing with pre-existing imagery.
Again I'm not trying to disparage her or her entry, but it beat mine by a game mechanic that favors things being done quickly.
I started on mine as soon as I found out the theme for the month, it simply took that long for me to research and settle on a poster design and then paint it.
Quote:
| Anyway, whatever.... Sorry to see you exit BW, I think you were definitely amongst the most consistantly solid entries each and every month. I think you would have had a better than even chance of winning if you had stayed in but one must do what they must, I guess. |
At that point I pretty much decided that if it didn't win, I couldn't keep sustaining that level of effort and keep rolling the dice on the voting.
www.battlewraith.deviantart.com
Now I feel awful. If it weren't for the additional factor of the 'trailer description' borking things up, the voting might have gone very differently. I'm really, really sorry if that caused problems for the artists - I just offered to contribute something in the hopes that more people would take notice of the work you guys do. 
Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite
Dark_Respite's Farewell Video: "One Last Day"
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
Quote:
I'm feeling quite offended now. Sorry BW, but this is just a lame excuse for you to make it alright for yourself to quit while (it really is so) you're ahead. |
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
I think Dee Dee did a good job on her entry, but since it beat mine by the whole early bird mechanic I think it deserves comment.
First of all, it's a photomanipulation. You can see the figure ref here: http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpape...90719_0028.jpg |
In my defence: Yes, I used that wallpaper as a reference as I also explained in my Original Sapphic Neko DevArt upload. I even used the model's name in the actor line up.
But is was not a photomanipulation. I sketched it first, and made alterations where ever I saw fit... I have also been telling around (I really don't make a secret of it, ask around if you please) I can't draw poses out of hand. I NEED references for them.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
I don't know if Dee simply used it as ref or did some sort of paint-over directly on the source image.
The background looks "raw". Like the sky and the burnt-out buildings were directly taken from another source. I also used some stock reference in my picture, which is linked to the stock provider on my page, but everything is painted. There is no direct manipulation of other people's images. |
As I explained in my Filmposter DevArt upload the background I found on the nets. Just like Lord Recluse. All I did was alter those a bit. Which probably fall under "photomanipulations". But I do not take credit for that. Nor do I take credit for Neko's pose. I DO take credit for the art I made with using it as a reference.
You do not have the right to start ranting at other people's art ASSUMING they didn't do what you think should have been done.
You have no right to assume things and publicly accuse people for it, even though you don't intent to do so.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
Again I'm not trying to disparage her or her entry, but it beat mine by a game mechanic that favors things being done quickly.
I started on mine as soon as I found out the theme for the month, it simply took that long for me to research and settle on a poster design and then paint it. |
Do you call over 70 hours of work (on Neko alone) quickly?!
I'm sorry if this sets a nasty tone to the discussion, I usually keep well cleared away from any of it... But when people start accusing me of things they assume I did and which I actually didn't, I take that personal.
I know not everybody reads other artist's DevArt pages and comments and I don't expect it.
But if people start assuming things without doing the research before throwing in a personal "attack", I sure will defend myself.
Most of all, I'm sorry to read that AGAIN there's a "this is not fair" discussion going after a battle. It is VERY tiresome.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Now I feel awful. If it weren't for the additional factor of the 'trailer description' borking things up, the voting might have gone very differently. I'm really, really sorry if that caused problems for the artists - I just offered to contribute something in the hopes that more people would take notice of the work you guys do.
Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite |
. -DeeDee out-
CoH Fan-Art Sale still several slots open!
Read my in-game stories and check out my DeviantART page.
- coXso - It was a memorable time filled with art!
Read my in-game stories and check out my DeviantART page.
- coXso - It was a memorable time filled with art!
I can vouch for Deedee not using photo manipulation, as she was kind enough to show me a teaser of the picture as she was working on it. (She actually asked me if she could use me for the project).
I knew instantly which picture she used as a reference, and i thought it was an excellent choise.
Dee Dee--
I assumed nothing. The picture is a photomanipulation, which is allowed by the competition. It's obvious in the case of the background.
With regards to the figure I said this (which you quoted):
Quote:
I said I didn't know. But in the case of the background it's obviously using pre-existing imagery from another source. Which, like I said, is allowed.| I don't know if Dee simply used it as ref or did some sort of paint-over directly on the source image. |
Quote:
| Do you call over 70 hours of work (on Neko alone) quickly?! |
I'm making a point about the structure of this competition with respect to early bird points. I think it's something people might want to consider. I'm sorry if I offended you, but I've made no false assumptions and/or personal attacks. Also, I clicked on your image many times over the course of the month and it took me to a page that just displayed the image. Maybe it would be good to also link things to your DA page if you're including more information there.
www.battlewraith.deviantart.com
Quote:
No worries Michelle this is the 4th year of the contest and there is some of this carrying on it seems every year. |
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Now I feel awful. If it weren't for the additional factor of the 'trailer description' borking things up, the voting might have gone very differently. I'm really, really sorry if that caused problems for the artists - I just offered to contribute something in the hopes that more people would take notice of the work you guys do.
Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite |
Believe me it's not you or anything you have done that is at cause here.
I very much appreciate you offering your services as a prize.
@BW: I'm sorry to hear about your eyestrain, I have found out the kind of toll too many hours can take myself.
@DD Deep breaths my dear. To be fair I don't read anything BW has said as a personal attack on you.
He is talking about your art and not you the person behind it.
Quote:
[takes foot out of mouth]| Now I feel awful. If it weren't for the additional factor of the 'trailer description' borking things up, the voting might have gone very differently. I'm really, really sorry if that caused problems for the artists - I just offered to contribute something in the hopes that more people would take notice of the work you guys do. |
You didn't cause any problems. You've offered an extremely generous gift as this month's prize. Nobody was in danger of of elimination due to voting. There's always controversy surrounding these competitions, so please don't feel bad on account of griping.
www.battlewraith.deviantart.com
Quote:
Ok, here I think we may have a legitimate difference of opinion. I think the art, no matter how well executed, needs to be targeted at the audience in order to have that certain appeal that garners attention and votes. Yes, sometimes it will be T&A, others a sense of whimsey, others just a recognizable anchor to the source material - the game. I personally don't care how amazing art submitted to this contest is, if it doesn't also have another appeal it's probably not getting my vote... |
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
In a way, I think this hits the nail on the head in terms of how I feel about this contest.
I think the voting in general tends to be capricious. There is always an element of popularity contest going into it, but even worse is the tendency to vote for things out of...I don't know..novelty? Because they're fun or lighthearted? Often in spite of how the thing was actually executed. In some ways I think a polished execution has actually been a detriment to succeeding. |
So yeah, I totally think a piece less technically correct, even far less so, should win over a marvelous art piece which doesn't immediately scream CoH or such. Because I don't think this is an "Art Contest" but rather a "Fan Art Contest". As such, my view is that the "Fan" part is pretty important.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
You said you voted purely on the art and didn't read the trailers.
Why? That was part of the competition. I lost by one point. If you had read the trailers and voted on them as well maybe I woul'dve picked up a point or two. |
Once I did see that pointed out, I made it clear that I ignored that part so that my vote could be voided if deemed invalid.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
Regardless, I spent a lot of time and thought on my trailer. I actually wrote the trailer first in the hopes that I could refer to it while I was working on the painting so that they would share the same sort of vibe.
I spent a day just writing the trailer. How would you feel if you were in a cooking competition and the judge came up and scraped some of your food into the garbage without even tasting it? I'm not blaming you for the loss, but it's indicative of the frustration I've felt watching these entries fail. |
Anyway, it's the problem with the whole "whoever wanders by judges" system. Nobody feels very compelled to uphold any kind of judging standard or the like, nobody is worried about the integrity of the contest... They just vote on what appeals to them based on whatever criteria they decide. There's no way to stop that with the current judging system...
But that, I think, becomes part of the contest. I think part of the art is not just the technical, the talent, but the mental... In getting a feel for the audience and what appeals to them, on what they are looking for.
And unless someone is looking to be a broke, starving artist with their integrity 100% in tact, I don't want to hear that n artist shouldn't have to cater... Of course they should. Specially if they are trying to make a buck or win a contest.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
Go back and look at February's winners. Lousy's entry was the overwhelming winner. That's a joke. Lousy is a good artist and I don't doubt that he could win a contest like this, but it shouldn't be for something like that.
I talked to him in Siren's Call shortly before that deadline. He hadn't started his entry and wasn't even sure he was going to continue. He threw that sketch together at the last minute to stay in the running. But I think people looked at it and thought "Wow how cool would it be to have snow in the game!" and voted it the win. Despite the fact that it was clearly a sketch and had virtually no detail in it whatsoever. |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
I think Dee Dee did a good job on her entry, but since it beat mine by the whole early bird mechanic I think it deserves comment.
First of all, it's a photomanipulation. You can see the figure ref here: http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpape...90719_0028.jpg I don't know if Dee simply used it as ref or did some sort of paint-over directly on the source image. The background looks "raw". Like the sky and the burnt-out buildings were directly taken from another source. I also used some stock reference in my picture, which is linked to the stock provider on my page, but everything is painted. There is no direct manipulation of other people's images. She was well within her rights to do so, as Bubba's rules allow for photomanipulation. But my problem with the voting is that I don't think people are taking that into consideration. I think a lot of people are viewing this image as if she had sat down and sketched it out herself. And in terms of the whole early bird thing--yeah it's a lot easier to get work done quickly when you're dealing with pre-existing imagery. Again I'm not trying to disparage her or her entry, but it beat mine by a game mechanic that favors things being done quickly. I started on mine as soon as I found out the theme for the month, it simply took that long for me to research and settle on a poster design and then paint it. |
I say similiarly about the photomanip, if it was such. Personally I think if the written word doesn't qualify as art for the contest, neither should screenshots or (maybe, I am on the fence about) photomanips - specially if its the majority of the piece. But again, they've been allowed from the start so *shrug*
Not to say I disregard your thoughts here entirely though. I totally get where you are coming from but, as I think I stated last year during a similair row, the point kind of loses a lot of it's strength when it's not brought up before the results...
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BattleWraith
Thanks, but I think there's been strong indication that I'm barking up the wrong tree here. Part of it is also I'm tired. I spent a solid week on the entry this month and had eyestrain at the end of it.
At that point I pretty much decided that if it didn't win, I couldn't keep sustaining that level of effort and keep rolling the dice on the voting. |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Now I feel awful. If it weren't for the additional factor of the 'trailer description' borking things up, the voting might have gone very differently. I'm really, really sorry if that caused problems for the artists - I just offered to contribute something in the hopes that more people would take notice of the work you guys do.
Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite |
Besides, your offer was supremely generous and was not the cause of the controversy... Really it's more about early bird points, how individuals decide to judge, and why individuals compete than it is about trailers....
By the way, since I fear I forgot to state this earlier, and since it really should be the point now and not this extraneous stuff....
CONGRATULATIONS
DARTHDELICIOUS!!!
DARTHDELICIOUS!!!
Congratulations DD! On a lovely entry and a well-deserved win!
Congratulations to all the other entrants, too, for wonderful, creative & enjoyable works well above and beyond the the average crowd!
Give yourselves a BIG round of applause! You've all earned it!
I wish you ALL well wherever you go and whatever you do.
I'm a little sad that my poorly timed/mistaken after-deadline entry helped nudge things a little into conflict, and for that I'm profusely sorry.
But - in spite of the Real Life junk (Mothers-in-Law make me crazy sometimes!) that has to take precedence over my art time, I am really glad I got to be a part of this contest and this place. I hope to be able to hang around here for a goodly bit more, too.
I've been doing some personal research (and soul searching) and from what I hear - for artists - an 'artists community' is an important thing. But ups and downs, conflicts, doubts, real questions about Expectations, Approval, and Acceptance are all part and parcel of the 'Artist's Struggle.'
(and maybe it might be a good idea to build some additional roots in other artistic communities AS WELL as this one. More supports are better than just one)
or I could just be talkin' in my hat, ya never kno! 
(I'm not gone yet!)
*takes a deep breath*
Thank you Caemgen and Defiance_Jones!
*applauds for everyone*
@ Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite: Will you need a more CoH compatible rewrite of the trailer of Neko's Mischief or will you manage how it is now? Let me know 
*waves*
DeeDee
CoH Fan-Art Sale still several slots open!
Read my in-game stories and check out my DeviantART page.
- coXso - It was a memorable time filled with art!
Read my in-game stories and check out my DeviantART page.
- coXso - It was a memorable time filled with art!
And i can dig out the .costume file if she needs it
Regarding the "why people vote as they do" question, and I'm not sure if my input will matter as I'm not "one of you"; I'm just an interested bystander who adores creativity and talent, but alas has neither in large supply. I don't know anyone here (so am not voting based on popularity). This month, because of the complete requirements of a poster plus trailer, I didn't see how anyone other than Battlewraith could be first--the art is stunning and the trailer first-rate--so that was my pick. I loved the potential in ChristopherRobin's work (both poster and story), but it (the art) felt unfinished to me (tell that to Picasso, right? heh). As someone else mentioned, I was drawn to the vintage feel of DarthDelicious' entry (Congrats, btw!), but isn't that what art (and movies) are meant to do, appeal to our emotions, memories, and imagination? I don't think it's possible, for me, anyway, to separate my appreciation of art from the emotional, etc. reactions it evokes.
Anyway, that's my two cents (or inf).
Quote:
When you backup my points with your own posts, yeah, I have that opinion. I could lay the blame on you directly, as you were the one who admitted to not voting upon the criteria given and thusly, your vote could be seen as being invalid, disrupting the entire voting structure here. However, I will not, because you're just a symptom of the board in total. At least you had the fortitude to admit it, which is much better than the rest of the horde.|
Originally Posted by Caemgen
Yeah! Anyone who doesn't agree with Suichiro is obviously an illiterate, boob obsessed moron who doesn't know a thing about art! And don't give any crap about differing tastes or opinions being valid, that's just proof you're a moron!!
|
The real meat of the argument is that while everything went according to the rules, BW has quite a number of completely valid reasons to feel upset and abused by both the system and the followers. So, he's leaving and rightfully so. Everyone's argument is "No, you're not allowed to leave. You're a coward and you're wrong."
It's astonishing really. For considering yourselves "nice" folks, you sure are less than understanding of other people's viewpoints. So, when you chide me for being as such, go look in a mirror. The only difference is that I call people on it.
http://www.virtueverse.net/wiki/Massacre_Melanie -the original Fire/Dark Corruptor -
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=115217
The Guide to BURN
Quote:
It's not your fault Sammi, it's just the increased reward at play that exaggerated the situation that was already present. This has literally been going on for years.|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
I'm really, really sorry if that caused problems for the artists - I just offered to contribute something in the hopes that more people would take notice of the work you guys do.
|
To DD,
Your submission this month was fantastic and as I stated, I think it was indeed the best of all the posters done this month. I explained my reasons for voting the way I did, including the appropriate inclusion of the voting criteria. I think you need to look at things from the other point of view in order to really understand what's going on. You have a "sour grapes" feeling from myself and BW going, which is understandable. It's there. No doubt. Though you have a "smug winner" feeling at the moment. So, check it out:
Imagine that Bubba comes back into the thread and vetoes Caemgen's vote because of corruption. It's proven that he did not follow the voting guidelines as stated. We have a precedence set in vetoing votes already, for something less offensive as mistakenly adding in a third place vote for someone who wasn't a valid entry. Vetoing another vote is a realistic move at this point. Now, if you take away that vote, you lose. Upon rebalancing the votes, BW gets the first place spot this month and he gets the Samuraiko trailer and all the congratulations and you get nothing. Your work, all the hours you put into it, all the creative decisions you put into it, it gets you nothing. Your tired hands are empty. Now how would you feel when your prize is taken from you? That happy glee you're feeling right now at the prospect of your creation being brought to life? Erased. All the exited running around to help Sammi out, the nervousness of what the results might bring? Gone.
This is a theoretical situation here, as nobody expects this to happen. But it's really not entirely out of the question. It showcases that your position is a very precarious one. This is completely ignoring any potential issues with the early bird point entirely. You benefited from at least two executive decisions in your favor, both of which could have cost you the prize.
There are even other factors at play here, depending upon who you ask, but ignoring those your position at the top of the hill is still not a solid one. So, when you engage with the sour grapes losers, remember that. They have just as valid points to be angry as you do to be proud.
http://www.virtueverse.net/wiki/Massacre_Melanie -the original Fire/Dark Corruptor -
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=115217
The Guide to BURN
Quote:
I'm going over it to see how much of it I can manage with a little bit of creativity... obviously SOME things are gonna have to be changed, but we'll see.|
Originally Posted by DarthDelicious
@ Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite: Will you need a more CoH compatible rewrite of the trailer of Neko's Mischief or will you manage how it is now? Let me know
*waves* DeeDee |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sapphic_Neko
And i can dig out the .costume file if she needs it
|
Hubby just started a new job this week, so we're trying to get our schedules organized - I'm hoping to start working on it b/w mid-August/early September (I've got at least three other video gigs going on at the same time). OY!
Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite
Dark_Respite's Farewell Video: "One Last Day"
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
Ooh! Yes... I have Mysterious Mike his costume file ofcourse.
Take your time and keep us posted 
(though I don't doubt you will .
CoH Fan-Art Sale still several slots open!
Read my in-game stories and check out my DeviantART page.
- coXso - It was a memorable time filled with art!
Read my in-game stories and check out my DeviantART page.
- coXso - It was a memorable time filled with art!
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Suichiro
For considering yourselves "nice" folks...
|
I've never really considered myself very nice.
I would also say the voting history doesn't back up the "popularity contest theory" either. Being someone who follows the votes closely and keeps his own separate counts and statistics I would say that while there have been a few cases of outright popular voting (i.e. someone votes for the same person first every time they vote throughout the year regardless of what that person submits for their art) it accounts for a very small part of the overall vote. Also there are plenty of cases where someone who is not the most popular person wins the month by virtue of his/her art alone (LousyDay's absolute destruction of all comers last January comes to mind... a few months later his entry was at the bottom of the heap and he was almost eliminated). Also plenty of times the most popular person at that time (depending on how you define popular of course) did not win.
It just doesn't add up.
One --> Artz Giveaway <-- To Rule Them ALL!
I will settle this. ORANGE FTW! - Ex Libris