Corruptor mezzes Vs. controller/dominator!

So Corruptors have psi mastery which offers an ST hold, AoE sleep, and PBAoE confuse. How do these compare to that for a controller and dominator? Would a few hits of the sleep send an AV to dream land same goes for the hold.

just compare mag and recharge and you will see APP mezes do not compare with Primary/Secondary mezes especially wat Cons and Doms get

Eh, mezzes can be more handy for non-Controllers/Dominators than you think. I duo a Dark/Ice Defender with an Elec/Ice Blaster and our holds get decent usage (good for stopping runners, and reducing the odds of a particular mob hitting from 5% to 0%, as well as getting targets out of range of the debuffs/missed by Fearsome Stare), plus we can very easily stack holds on the same target.

And I've seen people posting about getting a fair deal of usage out of Mass Hypnosis and Dominate. However, those indeed are inferior to holds within the Corruptor's primaries and secondaries, let alone Controller versions. The PBAoE confusion is only semi-decent if you're regularly in melee range of large crowds and have the Contagious Confusion proc - the builtin confusion is actually so worthless it's only useful for triggering that proc.

And, no, you can't really reliably sleep AVs with APP Mass Hypnosis. At best, you cna make it perma on Lts.

Thanks for clearing that up

I use mass hypnosis and dominate along with my ST hold from dark miasma...with the megalomaniac accolade.

The dark miasma pet also uses holds and immobs. I also use howling twilight with my ST stun to get bosses(Sonic/Dark/Psy)

Yes in some cases, the Corr version is weaker but not useless and with megolomaniac--it is useful

I use mass hypnosis and dominate along with my ST hold from dark miasma...with the megalomaniac accolade.

The dark miasma pet also uses holds and immobs. I also use howling twilight with my ST stun to get bosses(Sonic/Dark/Psy)

Yes in some cases, the Corr version is weaker but not useless and with megolomaniac--it is useful

I have a Rad/Rad Corrupter and use the hold from the Elec APP to not die. In fact, if I don't use it I do die. A lot. You'd think something with 40% less chance to hit and 20% less damage would be pretty weak, but no, it'll still two shot you. I open with my debuffs, apply the first hold, and then pray I don't die long enough to apply a second. If I survive to the second hold it's a dead boss, done deal, but I frequently don't.

So long story short, no, the holds aren't useless, they're absolutely vital.

Or I suck, that's a distinct possibility.

The powers aren't quite as good as the dominator or controller versions as there is no domination, containment or chance for overpower. That said the ST hold and AOE sleep are still solid picks and can absolutely complement any build and help you with targets you would otherwise have trouble with. They really shine when soloing.

The PBAOE confuse is Terribad. Even purpled with the contagious confusion proc it provides minimal reliable mitigation with a high end cost, an ugly aura and a small radius. Feel free to try it for yourself though.

Your standard defender single target hold has around half the duration and twice the recharge of a controller hold, and doesn't deal damage, but many of them are magnitude 3 which means they will hold a lt. in one application, boss in 2.

I think they are usually still worth it to take, with enhancements you can easily keep an annoying enemy out of a fight, or keep a boss down a notable percentage of the time, and if you team with a 'troller it helps a lot if you can stack holds on tougher opponents.

Controller mezzes are clearly superior in almost every way, but defender/corruptor ones are still useful.